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locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 13, 2012 - 09:59am PT


What???...



...

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Oct 13, 2012 - 10:00am PT
The new Matt Taibbi piece is a fun read!! Its spot-on accurate IMO. These Republican fascist clowns need to be held up to public ridicule, shaming and derision.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/the-vice-presidential-debate-joe-biden-was-right-to-laugh-20121012
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2012 - 10:08am PT
Hey, where did that guy go?




Unless it's a total lying sack of sh!t people want in the oval office...

Which Obama decidedly, IS!!!

I am afraid of you and not very good at this but, I take your word.

So, let's hear about these lies the President told.

Name em, and if I can prove with links from credible sources that YOU are lying, will
you donate $100 for each lie YOU said the President lied about to the Yosemite Search and Rescue fund?

How about it?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2012 - 10:40am PT
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Missing photo ID#267802
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 13, 2012 - 10:52am PT


Troll BOI was born with a BLANK shooter...

Spectreman-

climber
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
Obama recently stated in an interview that The policies of his administration account for only around 10% of the federal deficit over the past four years. This is a lie.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
"Mission Accomplished" now THAT was a lie.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
OK, prove it.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:50pm PT


"I'm sorry Betty, but I'm shooting BLANKS!!!"...

locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:52pm PT


Everyone lies...



Let's do some math on Romney and Obama...



100,000 lies so far from Romney...























































1 from Obama...




LOL!!!...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:55pm PT
OK, prove it.

OK, prove it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
Spectreman ≠ Spectreman-
????
Spectreman-

climber
Oct 13, 2012 - 12:57pm PT




Overselling the Health Care Law

Obama wrongly said that over the last two years, health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, not premiums. But even if Obama had worded the claim correctly, he still would have been off in suggesting the Affordable Care Act had caused the slower growth in spending.

Obama: And the fact of the matter is that, when Obamacare is fully implemented, we’re going to be in a position to show that costs are going down. And over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we’re already beginning to see progress.

The growth in employer-sponsored family premiums has fluctuated in recent years. It went up just 4 percent from 2011 to 2012, according to an annual survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation, but it increased 9 percent the year before, a big jump from the mere 3 percent increase between 2009 and 2010. Clearly the growth rate over the last two years isn’t a 50-year low — it was sitting around 5 percent from 2007 to 2009. However, the growth of health care costs is at a 50-year low for the past two years.

President Bill Clinton used this statistic, correctly, in his speech at the Democratic National Convention, also implying that the federal health care law deserved credit. But as we said then, most of the law hasn’t even been implemented yet. And experts say it’s the sluggish economy that’s mainly responsible for the slower rate of spending. As the Washington Post reported, experts with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said that many lost employer-sponsored insurance when they lost their jobs, and other individuals chose to “forgo health-care services they could not afford.”

The New York Times quoted experts saying that consumers’ and medical professionals’ behavior could be changing in anticipation of the law, but it was still the economy that was the leading factor.

As for that increase in health care premiums, experts told us the federal health care law has had a limited impact on those, too, but the impact was to increase costs. They said the law was responsible for a 1 percent to 3 percent increase last year because of more generous coverage requirements.



Obama: But I have said that for incomes over $250,000 a year, that we should go back to the rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president, when we created 23 million new jobs, went from deficit to surplus, and created a whole lot of millionaires to boot.

Obama is referring to his plan to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for higher-income taxpayers. The top federal income-tax rate would be allowed to rise from the current 35 percent to 39.6 percent, which was the rate that prevailed after Clinton’s 1993 tax increase, and before Bush’s tax cuts. The next-highest rate would go back to the Clinton-era 36 percent, starting with family income over $250,000 (or $200,000 for singles), up from the Bush rate of 33 percent.

But Obama did not account for the new taxes on those same upper-income taxpayers included in his Affordable Care Act. Starting next year, there will be a new 3.8 percent tax on “unearned” net investment income — such as capital gains from the sale of stocks or real estate, dividends, interest income, annuities, rents and royalties. Also starting Jan. 1 is a new 0.9 percent Medicare surcharge on top of the current Medicare payroll tax. Both taxes apply to taxable compensation that exceeds $200,000 for singles, or $250,000 for couples filing jointly. Those two taxes combined are projected to bring in nearly $210 billion over the next seven years, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
I'll take my chances with Obama, thank you.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
Sphincterman...And Romneycare is better.? And the out of control health insurance premiums are a better alternative...? Quicker death brought to you by corporate health care gouging...Oh , i get it...Obama is a black democrat...
Spectreman-

climber
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:05pm PT



An ad from the Obama campaign says Romney invested in a company that made products "that could have been made here in America."
President Barack Obama continues to go after Mitt Romney for investing in companies that sent jobs overseas.

A recent Obama ad combines the outsourcing charge with an attack on Romney’s claim that he would take a tougher line than the president on trade with China.

It features grainy photos of Chinese factory workers in assembly plants. An announcer says:

"These appliances could have been made here in America. But a company called Global-Tech maximized profits by paying its workers next to nothing under sweatshop conditions in China.

When Mitt Romney led Bain, they saw Global-Tech as a good investment even knowing that the firm promoted its practice of exploiting low-wage labor to its investors.

Mitt Romney, tough on China? Since when?"
We have done other fact checks on claims related to Romney’s investments in firms that engaged in outsourcing. This time, we decided to examine whether it is accurate to say that Global-Tech's appliances "could have been made here in America."

Romney and Global-Tech

Of course, any product could be made in the U.S. if a manufacturer built a plant. For this fact-check, though, we'll explore whether Global-Tech's small appliances could reasonably have been made here.

Romney’s investment company, Bain Capital, bought a 10.3 percent share in Global-Tech Appliances through a subsidiary in 1998, according to a July article in Mother Jones. In a prospectus that year, Global-Tech described that it had two factories in China that produced coffee makers, bread makers, and other small appliances for some of the best known brands, such as Sunbeam, Hamilton Beach, Mr. Coffee, Oster and others.

It boasted that the combination of retail trends, superior manufacturing technology and low wage rates had fueled a three-fold rise in sales from $31 million in 1995 to $96 million in 1998.

The Romney campaign rebutted the ad’s claims saying, "This is another 'overboard' ad from a president who is trying to distract from his failure to stand up to China." However, the campaign did not correct any of the ad’s details about Bain and Global-Tech.

What was brewing with small appliances

The ad’s larger point is that Romney boosted the trend toward low-cost overseas production at the expense of American jobs. The ad sets that up by saying "these appliances" -- meaning those coffee makers and hair dryers made by Global-Tech -- could in fact have been made in the U.S.

But is that a fair assumption? We tried to get a picture of what was going on with the business of small home appliances in 1998, the year Romney invested in the Hong Kong based company.

Coffee makers are a good example. According to the United Nations Commodity Trade database, in 1993, China exported about $23 million worth of coffee makers to the U.S. By 1998, business had doubled to $46 million. Add in the exports from Hong Kong to America and the total reached over $100 million. Goods made in China destined for the U.S. often flowed through Hong Kong.

Americans seemed to have an almost insatiable demand for imported coffee makers and Chinese/Hong Kong imports satisfied over a third of it. At the time, the U.S. share of total world exports of coffee makers was about 3 percent, or $30 million.

Gary Hamilton, a professor of international studies and sociology at the University of Washington who focuses on consumer goods, says the situation with coffee makers was typical.

"The manufacture of most such consumer goods had already left the U.S." before Bain bought its stake in Global-Tech, Hamilton said. "Some as many as 10 to 15 years earlier."

Hamilton said this was the result of forces that had begun to take shape in the 1970s. It wasn’t just low wages in China and other countries. Western companies invested in technology like barcodes and scanners that allowed them to manage inventory and supply chains across the globe. Container ships got bigger, which made transport much cheaper. The companies that made goods, such as Sunbeam, bought out similar brands and consolidated, while the on the retail side, firms such as Wal-Mart built enormous buying power.

The end result made American production of these goods increasingly less competitive.

"There is every reason to think that the manufacture of these items would not then and would not now return to the U.S.," Hamilton said.

The remaining manufacturers

There are still U.S. companies making things such as coffee makers and blenders but they occupy a tiny sliver of the market. David Riley runs Americans Working, a website that lists goods made in the U.S.. Riley noted that Bunn, an iconic coffee machine brand, is still operating in Illinois. But, "I think only high end personal units and commercial," he said. A similar website, Still Made in USA, said the same thing. We called Bunn and never heard back.

There are exceptions, but in general, the more expensive the item, the better the odds it can be made profitably in the U.S.

KitchenAid makes mixers and blenders at its plant in Greenville, Ohio, according to the website Still Made in USA. But its coffee grinders are largely made in India with final assembly in the U.S. It is not uncommon for manufacturers to outsource their more affordable lines while keeping the costlier versions domestic.

We took a look at companies in Germany, Switzerland and Italy where exports of coffee makers remain robust. In recent years, Italy favored the world with some $500 million a year in espresso and latte makers. But there too, those countries succeeded at the high-end of marketplace and some firms outsourced their more garden variety products to low-wage nations.

We should note that some big ticket products such as refrigerators and stoves retain a sizable footprint in America. General Electric told Consumer Reports it is investing $1 billion to expand its line of washing machines and dryers in Louisville, Ky..Frigidaire, owned by Sweden’s Electrolux, produces dishwashers in Kinston, N.C.

If the Obama ad had referred to a broader set of home goods than just the ones made by Global Tech, then there is some basis to find that the appliances could have been produced in the U.S. But the ad was fairly specific about what products it had in mind. And in 1998, as now, those products were overwhelmingly made in other countries.

Our ruling

The Obama campaign ad said, "These appliances could have been made here in America."

For the coffee makers and other items that Global-Tech produced, that is conceivable but unlikely. The U.S. had the technology and the trained people to do the work. But the economics of global trade made that unworkable well before Romney and Bain invested in the firm.

We rate the statement Mostly False.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
NO

There are RULES here

You do NOT flit from one personal opinion to another, that proves nothing


You started by putting forth a contention that the PRESIDENT "lied" about saying that his policies accounted for 10% of "something", and you said that was a "lie"

NOW, you shift gears over to health care.

You can't do that, pick your specific "charge" of a "lie" and show what the PRESIDENT said that you "think" was a lie, and then PROVE IT WAS A LIE with links from unbiased credible sources.

The ball is your court, but again will you agree to donate $100 to the YOSAR for every time YOU lie about a lie you claim the PRESIDENT told?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Spectreman = Spectreman-
????

Spectreman ≠ Spectreman-
????
Spectreman-

climber
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Sphincterman...And Romneycare is better.? And the out of control health insurance premiums are a better alternative...? Quicker death brought to you by corporate health care gouging...Oh , i get it...Obama is a black democrat...

I'm not sure why you are calling me names and then implying that I am somehow a racist. You do not know me and you don't know how I live my life. I have given much in my life to others, regardless of their race, religion, sex or nationality.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 13, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
Sphincterboi...Go ahead and vote for Romney-Ryan...Maybe someday the fallout from scheckle will drift your way....Don't hold your breath though....
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