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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 11, 2012 - 10:54am PT
John, what else would you call Ryan's $715 B Medicare comment?

Or his comment regarding the closure of that factory?

These comments were so loose with the facts...nigh on lies...that even his own Party let him twist in the wind a bit for them.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:00am PT
John, what else would you call Ryan's $715 B Medicare comment?

What would you call it, apogee? Where are those "cost savings" coming from?

Saying that Obama Care doesn't cut Medicare is a little like saying someone shooting a SAM at an airliner was just engaged in target practice, but didn't intend to harm anyone.

John
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2012 - 11:03am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:05am PT
Ok John,

Let's hear it!

Lay out each "purported" lie, and then show credible sourced links as to why not a lie?

You will vote for a prodigious flip flopper, self contradictor, and outright liar.

You will vote in support of a political party that fully oversaw this last recession, and you will vote for a party that routinely wants government to make laws limiting the personal rights of half the population and their own bodies.

You will vote for a party that is responsible for massive spending while at the same time massively robbing the treasury of tax revenue to pay for that spending.


But let's just deal with your claim of "no lies", can I invite you to make your case?
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:10am PT
Secret retirement plans: Does Obama expect to lose?

Yes. Duh!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/secret-retirement-plans-does-obama-expect-to-lose/#

Credit: corniss chopper


The source told WND that highly confidential internal polls conducted by
the Obama campaign indicate Obama cannot win re-election, despite public
surveys that show him in the lead.


“The public polls are mostly political,” the source argued. “Obama
radicals want Romney supporters to feel discouraged and give up. Truth is
that Romney’s winning.”







apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:15am PT
John, even in the context of politics there is a line of responsibility that can be crossed. Ryan's political persona is supposed to be one of fiscal rationality and integrity (ahem)..his statements on Medicare 'cuts' were so far divorced from reality that even key voices in his own Party stepped away from him.

Understandably, one might dismiss that comment as simple politics. But his charge on the closure of that factory was just plain ludicrous.

It's kind of hard to use the word 'lie' in politics without casting a stone through one's own window. But there is a point where your own credibility suffers from your own hyperbole, and makes you an easy target to a rational opponent. Ryan has stepped over it several times since he was tapped.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:17am PT
“The public polls are mostly political,” the source argued. “Obama
radicals want Romney supporters to feel discouraged and give up. Truth is
that Romney’s winning.”


it has become a core repeating mantra: screw the truth (facts) and believe what feels good to believe


polls "lie"

there is no "climate change"

cutting taxes results in balancing the budget
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:23am PT
Norton - you mean just like the unemployment fantasy figures Obama's
bureaucrats are trying to make us believe?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Norton,

I have no idea what Democrats consider a "lie" anymore, so I have no way to enumerate them completely. Maybe you can tell me what you think is a "lie" (the way apogee has), and I can respond -- though not today. This post is my swan song for the day, as paying work just reared its beautiful head.

John
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:48am PT
The Obama apologists' analyses of the first debate should bring joy to any Republican who wants to win the presidency, because it represents delusional denial. If Obama's handlers keep thinking that way, they'll fantasize their way to unemployment.

Lies, you say? In the words of J. R. R. Tolkien, spoken through King Theoden in The Two Towers, "Those words come too easily to your lips."

I guess that's become the Democrats' new religion. Any difference of opinion becomes, to them, a "lie," to the extent that difference represents a departure from Democratic Party orthodoxy. It's classic group think, because it appears they really believe that everything they say is true, and anything that contradicts what they say is a lie.

Rather sad.



lol, ugghhhh no,,,

He said one thing for the last year and than in the debate he said another.
He actually says one thing to large groups and then his campaign releases explanations explaining how he misspoke and that the former right wing opinion is his view - he can't open his mouth without lying.
Its etch a sketch - they even told us they were going to do it.
You are obviously under the influence of a cult John - it is you who are suffering from cognitive dissonance and can not tell the difference between an obvious lie and a fact.

And Obama SAVED 700+ billion from medicare - he did not cut 700 billion from medicare!! They just had another huge bust for medicare fraud in Houstan because of Obamacare. This is waste, corruption, excess pay outs to insurance companies that makes medicare solvent for years to come.
Ryan would give all that back and then actually make Cuts to medicare for the same amount.

The Ryan Budget - the Rmoney Budget? can you point me to anywhere I can look atthe details??? It is imaginary - 7 trillon in cuts and spending and romney has ruled out every single large deduction where he could save money.
It's magical thinking!!!
It's lies!!

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:49am PT
Norton - you mean just like the unemployment fantasy figures Obama's
bureaucrats are trying to make us believe?



MORON
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:52am PT
Sad to see John's statement...just goes to show you how far the lies reach. Let's start here John...

The Failure of the Obama Economy

Romney hammered Obama on the economy’s performance over the past four years. One claim Romney made was this: “[We have] 23 million people out of work...The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work.”

But here’s the AP breakdown of the facts on this claim: “The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.”

And on the college graduate claim, Romney was also wrong. Back to the AP: “A Northeastern University analysis for The Associated Press found that a quarter of graduates were probably unemployed and another quarter were underemployed, which means working in jobs that didn't make full use of their skills or experience.”
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:53am PT
John..here is another one.

4. Obamacare Leads to Loss of Healthcare

Governor Romney claimed that the passage of the Affordable Care Act will lead to 20 million people losing health insurance. He based this claim on a Congressional Budget Office report. But according to PolitiFact, Romney “cherry picked” the CBO report and mislead viewers on why people would “lose” coverage.

PolitiFact’s final verdict on the claim is: “That number is cherry-picked, and he’s wrong to describe it as only including people who ‘like’ their coverage, since many of those 20 million will be leaving employer coverage voluntarily for better options. Romney also ignores that under the status quo, many more people today ‘lose’ coverage than even the highest, cherry-picked CBO estimate. We rate his statement False.”
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:54am PT
One more John...1. An ‘Unelected Board’ Controlling Your Health Care

Despite President Obama trying to push back on this lie, Romney made this claim a few times last night. Obamacare, according to Romney, “puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” In reality, as the Associated Press points out , the board that is tasked with bringing down Medicare costs is prohibited from “rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn't have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.” This Romney claim also hearkened back to Sarah Palin’s lie that Obamacare created “death panels,” which was a straight up lie.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:55am PT
nice "out"
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:55am PT
John...another one:

5. The Failure of the Obama Economy

Romney hammered Obama on the economy’s performance over the past four years. One claim Romney made was this: “[We have] 23 million people out of work...The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work.”

But here’s the AP breakdown of the facts on this claim: “The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.”

And on the college graduate claim, Romney was also wrong. Back to the AP: “A Northeastern University analysis for The Associated Press found that a quarter of graduates were probably unemployed and another quarter were underemployed, which means working in jobs that didn't make full use of their skills or experience.”
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:56am PT
John...where are you?

6. Obamacare Cuts Billions From Medicare

This was one of Romney’s favorite attack lines last night: the notion that the Affordable Care Act is siphoning off funds from Medicare. The specific claim is that $716 billion was cut from Medicare because of the Affordable Care Act. In reality, this claim is highly misleading. What the number refers to is money that is saved “primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts , but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction,” ThinkProgress notes.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:59am PT
The idea that "the media" is purposefully and collectively pushing things back towards Romney because they want a tight "horcerace" is utter bullsh#t. Everyone, Republics and Democrats, make this excuse when something isn't going their way. Don't buy into that idiocy

Not the media collectively - but there is certainly money to be made in promoting drama and discord. I wouldn't post it if it hadnt been my thought also even that night at least as far as MSNBC. CNN has already been doing it forever. None of these media companies are communicating news anymore - they are selling advertising. Sure some are more ethical than others but you can not escape that this is a priduct being sold and it is DRAMA that sells it and it pays their mortgage!!!!! These are all people trying to survive.
Never underestimate what even a f*#king Doctor will sell to you and tell you or not tell you for Money!! Some outright corrupt and others just caught up in a corrupt system in which they go along.
This whole world is f*#ked
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 11, 2012 - 11:59am PT
More John...9. Oil and Gas Production Increases Only on Private Land

The former Massachusetts governor said last night that “all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land...Your Administration has cut the numbers of permit and licenses in half.”

But ABC News says Romney is playing loose with the facts. Data from the Bureau of Land Management shows that “the number of drilling permits on federal lands approved during the fiscal years President Obama has been in office has decreased somewhere between 20 and 37 percent compared to the years before he became president - not the 50 percent Romney claimed.”
Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Oct 11, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Norton - you mean just like the unemployment fantasy figures Obama's
bureaucrats are trying to make us believe?

Republicans / Tea Baggers are hysterical. When campaigning on the fact that unemployment had been over 8% for 43 months, they held those numbers up as absolute gospel. But, when the unemployment number recently went under 8% it is now "fantasy."

In spite of the fact that lower unemployment figures have been a clear trend during Obama's presidency.


The only thing that confuses me is whether they are disingenuous hypocrites--or merely stupid.

Curt
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