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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 11:50am PT
How is the Republican debt affected your day to day life in a negative way?
How is the Big Gov. degrading your day to day life in a negative way?

Maybe if I knew these answers, I would be a paranoid libertarian too
new world order2

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
^^^ And if the debt isn't paid for (or at the very least reduced) after 8 years of O-bah-ah-ah-ah-ma, what will your excuse be then?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
safe to say,,, BUSH did it LMAO!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
The Gov. debt of $16-17 trillion does not affect YOUR life in anyway.
Other than the Gov. not providing more Gov. Services, which the Libertarian are opposed to in the first place.
That is the point.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
Rick,, i check in on this thread to see what the equal and opposite of West boro types are up to..Lets me know where the middle is. Seems the extremes always go for the insult tactics..They have little else.


You "check in" on this thread? Is that your reality?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
equal and opposite of West boro types are up to

please elaborate.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 7, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
really??


OK,, -- you will MAKE ANY excuses and justifications JUST for your party's side. You will dismiss ANY opinions not falling into that party line.. Your quite often insulting and demeaning/attacking in your responses to those not in "your church".. And you loose credibility while failing to see any of that.


That sounds a little like westboro types doesnt it? If I took You, and Rash Limbaugh and transmogrified the two, we would end up with something a little more towards sensible.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 7, 2013 - 07:08pm PT



 republitards…. losers...
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Apr 7, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Fisker is on the path to losing very big. 75% of the staff has been laid off. Remaining execs are selling company assets.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
that said… I think we should consider the question "Why do republitards suck so much? Or why do they do their jobs as local, state and federal workers so badly?"

But then again… we already know the answer don't we? The republitards thing "gobment ain't the answer" and "smaller gubment is a good gubment"….


Only problem with that is its not at all thought out…. The fail begins once you start asking about fresh/clean air, fresh/clean water and food that is without poisons or other additives that may cause damages to humans/animals….



They tend to not think on these things that much or at all...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
OK,, -- you will MAKE ANY excuses and justifications JUST for your party's side. You will dismiss ANY opinions not falling into that party line..

this would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic

I never had an excuse for anything, I presented justifications based on Facts

Have you ever admitted that you were wrong about ANYTHING?
We prove you wrong over and over, and you just keep coming back with the same wrong crap like nothing happened, how can anyone Not insult you, It's their duty as a Human to say something.

admit that you are wrong sometimes, and we can go on like normal bros, be an a-hole, and you will get the crap you deserve


and what is the opposite of the West Boro types?
That would be good folks that work for the better of all humanity no matter what the bible says, even people that make bad choices and support the party that makes life worse for all.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
For old times sake!
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 7, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
President Hillary Clinton--get used to the sound of it.

Curt
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Apr 7, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
It would be very entertaining to have Bill back in the White House. This time he will be unimpeachable. :-)
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 8, 2013 - 10:28am PT
trends:

hopenchange
hopenchange
Credit: bookworm


wapo finally wakes up to smell the coffee burning down the house:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/vanishing-workforce-weighs-on-growth/2013/04/06/2bc46116-9e20-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html


note: "vanishing" workers refers to people who have stopped looking for work, meaning they are not counted among the unemployed, meaning the real unemployment rate is much higher--over 20%

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/heres-the-real-unemployment-rate/
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:18am PT
What bookworm's chart show is the gradual dismantling of the New Deal over the last 40 years. Said dismantling being perpetrated by the rise of the conservatives since the late '70s. Conservatives both Republican and Democratic.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:21am PT
RIP Margret Thatcher..
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 8, 2013 - 11:30am PT
could there be a more depressing graphic than the last one?

here you go:

http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/


the lib solution? spend more money, of course


and where does that money go? NOT to the classroom:

http://greenheritagenews.com/kids-fail-while-school-administration-prospers/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/supervisor_bloat_hikes_overhead_gnbt3xbRu6hnqPRqrCTZvO


here's a personal anecdote...a few years ago, our principal made it his goal to put a smartboard in every classroom, whether teachers wanted them or not...what was the result of our technology boost? dozens of unused smartboards--essentially $5,000 screens...i can do more with a $150 document camera, but nobody ever asked what i needed

by the way, the principal was promoted, in part, because of his "success" in improving the school through technology
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Bruce Kay posts in the Climate Change thread


Gym climber
BC Apr 8, 2013 - 08:27am PT

Everybody with an interest in this thread topic should take a few minutes to read the paper posted up thread by Hoser. It provides a pertinent perspective on the psychology that drives the climate change debate (anyone who thinks that climate science drives it is as naive as a babe in the woods).


In terms of the political divide, the most revealing defining factors are found under the heading
"Moral Tribalism". In my opinion the most pertinent observations are the following:



Part of this difference may be explained by the different moral priorities that liberals
and conservatives endorse; liberals tend to base their moral priorities on two foundations of individual welfare — harm and fairness — whereas conservatives supplement these with three additional foundations focused on **protecting the in-group — in-group loyalty,
authority respect and purity/sanctity**.



Loyalty is among the most powerful characteristics of the right wing authoritarian personality, which of course is the best way to describe the political right wing. Loyalty is first and foremost ascribed to ideology rather than to the physical group or individuals (loyalty is directed at individuals only so long as they represent the ideal, which if they fail at are immediately killed and eaten). This is the primary reason that right wingers are unswayed by reason or factual evidence. Their allegience lies in first priority with whatever mythological ideal they subscribe to ( libertarianism, fascism, various religious doctrines, etc) which requires by default that all conflicting values must be discarded or adapted to support the ideal. This characteristic can be found in numerous socio political situations, climate change policy just being one of many.

If we had a giant political sorter say, and we threw in 50 climate change deniers and turned it on, 50 people would eventually spill out the the right end. If you were to throw a few buckets of undeniable evidence and compelling reason, the result would be the same.

I'm going to call it the Karl Rove 3000 and sell it to universities to sort out all the incompatible with the scientific process types.

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Insurance and Freedom

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 7, 2013 NY Times

President Obama will soon release a new budget, and the commentary is already flowing fast and furious. Progressives are angry (with good reason) over proposed cuts to Social Security; conservatives are denouncing the call for more revenues. But it’s all Kabuki. Since House Republicans will block anything Mr. Obama proposes, his budget is best seen not as policy but as positioning, an attempt to gain praise from “centrist” pundits.

No, the real policy action at this point is in the states, where the question is, How many Americans will be denied essential health care in the name of freedom?

I’m referring, of course, to the question of how many Republican governors will reject the Medicaid expansion that is a key part of Obamacare. What does that have to do with freedom? In reality, nothing. But when it comes to politics, it’s a different story.

It goes without saying that Republicans oppose any expansion of programs that help the less fortunate — along with tax cuts for the wealthy, such opposition is pretty much what defines modern conservatism. But they seem to be having more trouble than in the past defending their opposition without simply coming across as big meanies.

Specifically, the time-honored practice of attacking beneficiaries of government programs as undeserving malingerers doesn’t play the way it used to. When Ronald Reagan spoke about welfare queens driving Cadillacs, it resonated with many voters. When Mitt Romney was caught on tape sneering at the 47 percent, not so much.

There is, however, an alternative. From the enthusiastic reception American conservatives gave Friedrich Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom,” to Reagan, to the governors now standing in the way of Medicaid expansion, the U.S. right has sought to portray its position not as a matter of comforting the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted, but as a courageous defense of freedom.

Conservatives love, for example, to quote from a stirring speech Reagan gave in 1961, in which he warned of a grim future unless patriots took a stand. (Liz Cheney used it in a Wall Street Journal op-ed article just a few days ago.) “If you and I don’t do this,” Reagan declared, “then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.” What you might not guess from the lofty language is that “this” — the heroic act Reagan was calling on his listeners to perform — was a concerted effort to block the enactment of Medicare.

These days, conservatives make very similar arguments against Obamacare. For example, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has called it the “greatest assault on freedom in our lifetime.” And this kind of rhetoric matters, because when it comes to the main obstacle now remaining to more or less universal health coverage — the reluctance of Republican governors to allow the Medicaid expansion that is a key part of reform — it’s pretty much all the right has.

As I’ve already suggested, the old trick of blaming the needy for their need doesn’t seem to play the way it used to, and especially not on health care: perhaps because the experience of losing insurance is so common, Medicaid enjoys remarkably strong public support. And now that health reform is the law of the land, the economic and fiscal case for individual states to accept Medicaid expansion is overwhelming. That’s why business interests strongly support expansion just about everywhere — even in Texas. But such practical concerns can be set aside if you can successfully argue that insurance is slavery.

Of course, it isn’t. In fact, it’s hard to think of a proposition that has been more thoroughly refuted by history than the notion that social insurance undermines a free society. Almost 70 years have passed since Friedrich Hayek predicted (or at any rate was understood by his admirers to predict) that Britain’s welfare state would put the nation on the slippery slope to Stalinism; 46 years have passed since Medicare went into effect; as far as most of us can tell, freedom hasn’t died on either side of the Atlantic.

In fact, the real, lived experience of Obamacare is likely to be one of significantly increased individual freedom. For all our talk of being the land of liberty, those holding one of the dwindling number of jobs that carry decent health benefits often feel anything but free, knowing that if they leave or lose their job, for whatever reason, they may not be able to regain the coverage they need. Over time, as people come to realize that affordable coverage is now guaranteed, it will have a powerful liberating effect.

But what we still don’t know is how many Americans will be denied that kind of liberation — a denial all the crueler because it will be imposed in the name of freedom.

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