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Dr. F.

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SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:02am PT
More from David Stockman
Stockman may have a point when it comes to Bush’s policies, at least. The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined with the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy will account for nearly half of the debt the U.S. will owe by 2019, according to a February analysis from the Center on Budget Policy and Priorities, a left-leaning think tank.

Bush isn’t the only Republican leader to draw Stockman’s ire in recent months, though. During the 2012 presidential election, Stockman called Republican candidate Mitt Romney “a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses.” He also attacked Vice Presidential Candidate Paul Ryan’s budget, arguing that it was “devoid of credible math or hard policy choices.”

A budget devoid of credible math or hard policy choices???
I thought he was financial whiz or wonk, no, he is just another snake oil salesman trying to sell his recipe for failure, and of course all the Republicans jumped on the train and sell this crap in lockstep
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Rick,, we have a way of spinning the hamster wheel..
Dr. F.

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SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:10am PT
The wild west!!

I guess we can point directly to people that have their head in the sand, asleep, ill informed, brainwashed, can't see beyond black and white, Have No idea of what's going On!

They hate the Governement and want to go back to the Wild west

And I can pay someone $100 to go to your house and shoot you while you sleep, just because you insulted me, how would that work out for you, just like back in the good ole days, right?
It would be so great, not having to pay taxes.

Morons
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 12:11am PT
I was outside most of the day doing things. Popped in about 5pm for long enough to post a brief response on another thread, then i took my wife out to dinner,

Anyway it was good to give you guys plenty of time to trash me unopposed in your usual personal way. Your critiques almost invariably reveal more about yourselves than the person you are trashing.

I'll admit to a degree of ignorance. It is an exceedingly complex world we find ourselves alive in at this time. Only an arrogant fool would claim true expertise in more than a handful of disciplines or fields of knowledge.

I'm afraid you are confused good Dr. F, or Norton or whatever alter egos you might exhibit on this forum,the ball is in your court and the turn is yours to answer. You have made outrageous claims and accusations backed by little of substance unless you call cartoons, opinion blogs, biased and discredited partisan think tank propaganda, proof.I gave you a list of democratic politicians, the majority of which are just as rich and as surely corrupt as the repubs you trash.I'm not going to fall for a reversal of the court where i am expected to answer and defend instead of you.

As i told you previosly Dr., i will not engage in an internet pissing match with you.It is my desire to meet on middle ground and discuss rationally the real problems facing this country as well as posit some sensible solutions.Maybe we could establish something like the "climbers political platform". After all isn't the brotherhood (and sisterhood to be PC) of the rope a more powerful bond than party affiliation.

To others i might have offended, forgive me. I just thought since i wasn't getting anywhere through a calm give and take process then it was time to blast the horn just as loud as Dr. F. And Hedge, it was good of you to admit the reason for your vote and allegiance to party line is a pocketbook issue.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:14am PT
Well answer this easy question
What have the republicans done that has been good?
We know they have done plenty of bad, tell us what they do that's good
Then you can turn this around

The ball is in your court now.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 12:17am PT
Yeah Ron they seem to be spinning themselves dizzy.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:18am PT
I already talked about those Dems yesterday
So what if they are rich, they work to help all Americans, not just themselves

Those photos are based in Fact, Not Fiction like TGT's BS Cartoons
You apparently are just able to disregard facts
John M

climber
Apr 1, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Anyway it was good to give you guys plenty of time to trash me unopposed in your usual personal way. Your critiques almost invariably reveal more about yourselves than the person you are trashing.

This is funny since you trashed Dr F while he was gone. You certainly fail to see yourself in many of the things that you complain about.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Come on Dr., i know you can do it. Give up the goods on a few (even one) of the more unsavory rascals you defend. Do this in good faith and we can move forward.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Ok rick
I checked on Nancy Pelosi, and seems truly amasing as a person that has fought to get good things done

read for yourself
wikipedia

Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi (pron.: /pəˈloʊsi/; born March 26, 1940) is the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives and served as the 60th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 2007 to 2011. She was the first woman to hold the office and to date is the highest-ranking female politician in American history.[1]

A member of the Democratic Party, Pelosi represents California's 12th congressional district, which consists of four-fifths of the city and county of San Francisco. The district was numbered as the 5th during Pelosi's first three terms in the House, and as the 8th from 1993 to 2013. She served as the House Minority Whip from 2002 to 2003, and was House Minority Leader from 2003 to 2007, holding the post during the 108th and 109th Congresses. Pelosi is the first woman, the first Californian and first Italian-American to lead a major party in Congress. After the Democrats took control of the House in 2007 and increased their majority in 2009, Pelosi was elected Speaker of the House for the 110th and 111th Congresses.

On November 17, 2010, Pelosi was elected as the Democratic Leader by House Democrats and therefore the Minority Leader in the Republican-controlled House for the 112th Congress.[2]


Now the ball is your court
Tell us what the Republicans have done that is good, and compare that to what the Dems have tried to do, but couldn't because of the Republican Obstrucitionism

what is your solution?

Mine is a 2 step plan
1) expose Republicans through education of what they are doing
2) vote them Out

Our only hope is to completely rid Republicans/Conservatives from our Congress, and future Presidents and SCOTUS.

And get the money out of politics, and vote in people that want to work for the Country.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Lessons From a Comeback
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: March 31, 2013 NY Times

Modern movement conservatism, which transformed the G.O.P. from the moderate party of Dwight Eisenhower into the radical right-wing organization we see today, was largely born in California. The Golden State, even more than the South, created today’s religious conservatism; it elected Ronald Reagan governor; it’s where the tax revolt of the 1970s began. But that was then. In the decades since, the state has grown ever more liberal.

As a result, the reign of the Governator aside, California has been solidly Democratic since the late 1990s. And ever since the political balance shifted, conservatives have declared the state doomed. Their specifics keep changing, but the moral is always the same: liberal do-gooders are bringing California to its knees.

A dozen years ago, the state was supposedly doomed by all its environmentalists. You see, the eco-freaks were blocking power plants, and the result was crippling blackouts and soaring power prices. “The country’s showcase state,” gloated The Wall Street Journal, “has come to look like a hapless banana republic.”

But a funny thing happened on the road to collapse: it turned out that the main culprit in the electricity crisis was deregulation, which opened the door for ruthless market manipulation. When the market manipulation went away, so did the blackouts.

Undeterred, a few years later conservatives found another line of attack. This time they said that liberal big spending and overpaid public employees were bringing on collapse.

And the state has indeed spent the past few years facing a severe fiscal crunch. When the national housing bubble burst, California was hit especially hard, and the combined effects of the plunge in home prices and the economic downturn led to sharply reduced revenue. Once more there were gleeful pronouncements of imminent doom: California, declared one pundit after another, is America’s Greece.

Again, however, reports of the state’s demise proved premature. Unemployment in California remains high, but it’s coming down — and there’s a projected budget surplus, in part because the implosion of the state’s Republican Party finally gave Democrats a big enough political advantage to push through some desperately needed tax increases. Far from presiding over a Greek-style crisis, Gov. Jerry Brown is proclaiming a comeback.

Needless to say, the usual suspects are still predicting doom — this time from the very tax hikes that are closing the budget gap, which they say will cause millionaires and businesses to flee the state. Well, maybe — but serious studies have found very little evidence either that tax hikes cause lots of wealthy people to move or that state taxes have any significant impact on growth.

So what do we learn from this history of doom deferred?

I’m not suggesting everything in California is just fine. Unemployment — especially long-term unemployment — remains very high. California’s longer-term economic growth has slowed, too, mainly because the state’s limited supply of buildable land means high housing prices, bringing an era of rapid population growth to an end. (Did you know that metropolitan Los Angeles has a higher population density than metropolitan New York?) Last but not least, decades of political paralysis have degraded the state’s once-superb public education system. So there are plenty of problems.

The point, however, is that these problems bear no resemblance to the death-by-liberalism story line the California-bashers keep peddling. California isn’t a state in which liberals have run wild; it’s a state where a liberal majority has been effectively hamstrung by a fanatical conservative minority that, thanks to supermajority rules, has been able to block effective policy-making.

And that’s where things get really interesting — because the era of hamstrung government seems to be coming to an end. Over the years, California’s Republicans moved right as the state moved left, yet retained political relevance thanks to their blocking power. But at this point the state’s G.O.P. has fallen below critical mass, losing even its power to obstruct — and this has left Mr. Brown free to push an agenda of tax hikes and infrastructure spending that sounds remarkably like the kind of thing California used to do before the rise of the radical right.

And if this agenda is successful, it will have national implications. After all, California’s political story — in which a radicalized G.O.P. fell increasingly out of touch with an increasingly diverse and socially liberal electorate, and eventually found itself marginalized — is arguably playing out with a lag on the national scene too.

So is California still the place where the future happens first? Stay tuned.

well said Paul

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
O.K. Dr., to your credit you have scratched the surface- hell it is a beginning.May i suggest to you however, that you could get a similar if not more superficially glowing Bio on George W. Bush from wikipedia. We all know the treasonous acts of his administration, even his dad could not defend him without tears in his eyes and i believe those tears represented the conflict in seniors mind over his love of country and horrendous crimes his son, who he could not help but love, inflicted on the country.

Dig a little deeper Dr. Follow the money through her immediate and extended family.Compare her legislation ,in respect to who it benefits and who is waived from its effects, to the spider web of the family finances and her campaign support.

Here is a beginning list of problems i think we can discuss, without resorting to stupid party bickering ,and find solutions we can agree on:1) Healthcare- the system has run amok, the costs have long ago gotten out of control, because of unaffordability many are excluded from proper healthcare, there is a shortage of doctors, nurses and facilities
2) Free trade-although in the short term the american consumer benefited from decreased costs of goods purchased in the long term our good paying manufacturing jobs were off shored thereby putting downward pressure on middle class wages and purchasing power.
3)We are broke, actually beyond broke. This not only puts our national defense on shaky ground but it also assures harder times to come with decreased standards of living and lost opportunity for our generations to come. Yes we have a revenue and spending problem.
4) Our legislative branch of government is as disfunctional as any time in history. Although we haven't had a budget for four years the pork barrel spending continues out of control, out of the public eye, by way of new legislative procedures such as "hotlining".


I don't have time for a comprehensive list of all issues afflicting our country so perhaps other good posters can add to the list. Let's talk about these problems and see if we can come up with a rational "climbers political platform" that we can agree on as a start for correcting what ails us.Let's leave the venomous party politics out of it and instead concentrate on individual pols whose actions harm us all. Anyone game?

Please excuse me as i'll probably be leaving in a short while on an exploration tour to east central Nevada. I'll check in when i get back

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
1) Healthcare- liberals want Single Payer, Republicans will never let it happen, they want us to pay more to the insurance Companies
They wouldn't even let us have a Public Option, so there would be a true competitive Market, the system is rigged, and can't be fixed as long as Republicans can obstruct.
We will go to single payer, it's just a matter of time till we rid the Gov. of the dinosaurs working for greed. Until then, we will pay way too much for a crappy system.

2) Free trade- Just proves that Clinton and Obama are not liberals or socialists, but actually right of center, get rid of all Republicans and the shift will be away from the damages of free trade

3)We are broke- mostly propaganda, we have to spend to get back to a surplus. But WHO spent all the Money -The Republicans, they spend and borrow, and then refuse to pay it back, we could pay back the debt in 10 years if it wasn't for the obstruction by Republicans by raising taxes, cutting spending where it counts, and closing loop holes, all which will never happen with Republicans able to obstruct

4) Our legislative branch of government is as disfunctional- because of Republican Obstructionism, and a whacked out conservative SCOTUS

Do you know anything about the Republican obstruction, or do you feign ignorance for cognitive dissonance issues you have.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
well there it is Doc.. You CAN NOT break free of the FARRRRR left. Obama has been in office for five years now.. NOTHING has improved in the finnances of the country and in fact are worse. But you go ahead with your blanket REPUBLICAN exuses. One of these days youll realize that horse you feed love and ride was actually a trojan...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
rong, you have no idea how wrong you are, do you?

Blanket Republican excuses???
Compared to your blind blame on everything the far right media says
"Obama didn't keep his promises!"

Pathetic ignorance at the deepest levels
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Hedge, just when i was beginning to have hope for you, you start again on this stupid trashing of the party you seem to be programmed to hate.You are doing just what those that are dismantling this country want;the diversionary blame game and whipping up hatred to mask their activities. I know their is a mind in that gourd of yours-free it from its chains.

Did you know that the global warming scare is almost exclusively based on computer modeling and the projected temp and sea level increases consistently come in (in the real world of real measurement) at or below the low end of projections.

Did you know the polar Bear was on the verge of being placed on the endangered species list because of projections by computer modeling in spite of the population being higher than anytime since they began monitoring it?

Do you see my point Hedge
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
It's impossible to keep a promise when a team of people with more power than you block the implementation of the promises, now isn't it.
Or do you not understand how reality works?
Credit: Dr. F.

Veterans jobs bill- blocked
Infrastructure rebuilding- blocked
education-blocked
911 first responders health care-blocked

single payer-blocked
climate change-blocked
green jobs-blocked
getting rid of the tax credits for companies that off shore to China-blocked
getting rid of the $4 billion a year Gov. subsidies to Oil Companies-blocked
stimulus packages to put people to work-blocked
ridding us of the Medicare Part D that costs an extra $650 billion a year which is a subside to big Pharma-blocked
Abuse of Women bill-blocked
Rights for gays-blocked

yet they are busy writing bills to restrict abortion, stopping gays from marrying and getting rid of the protections that Obama care provides

These people don't care about Humans, they care about giving money away to their cronies and watching us suffer.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
I bag on BOTH parties. They are BOTH responsible for the most ineffective govt weve ever had. the biggest stumbling blocks are folks like harry ried-tard. A power hungry malingerer that has sat in washington watchig his state hit the bottom of the nations economy,, and somehow, you think he works well for America? He cant even help Nevada. But he really made an ass of himself the other day when he tried to blame the deaths of 7 Marines on the sequester bullsheet. Talk about DESPERATE!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Now good Dr., as you well know our dear leader had two full years with total control of the legislative branch where he passed every job creating measure his congress could muster. The people saw the early results and rejected it.
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