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Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 08:11am PT
BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree

Oct 6, 2012 - 07:46pm PT


Let's get back on topic
Instead of arguing about money(which I have none). Let's argue about morals:

Homosexual marriage

Legalization of marijuana

Abortion

Foreign wars

I would like to hear personal reasons why you're for or against these topics. Not your affiliated parties opinions but your own ideals...

Homosexual marriage- legal and safe

Legalization of marijuana- legal and safe

Abortion- legal and safe, and cheap or free

Foreign wars- only when attacked, remove our bases in foreign countries, stop interfering in the Middle East

Only the Liberals believe in Total Freedom from Government and Corporate Repression, that's the definition of Liberal, Liberty for all

Every Modern Republican President has only increased tyrannical repression, Unconstitutional search and seizure, increased military force around the world, and a militarized Police force

Every Right Wing Government has either been called an Axis of Evil, tried to conquer the world, or failed from the people uprising and killing off the Tyrants in charge

All modern societies have improved when they went to progressive liberal Gov. They have the highest standards of living, and the highest personal satisfaction with their Gov.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 7, 2012 - 08:13am PT

"Foreign wars- only when attacked, remove our bases in foreign countries, stop interfering in the Middle East"...

+1


Couldn't agree more...

dirtbag

climber
Oct 7, 2012 - 08:46am PT
That would also go a long way towards preventing wars. For some strange unfathomable reason, people tend to get pissed when we put a base in their country.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 08:58am PT
Does anyone agree with me that Bush was the terrorist?

Terror alerts before every election being at Red Alert!!
Vote for Bush or the terrorists will attack.. again

The only people that received Anthrax in the mail were the 2 Democratic Senators (and the media that were asking questions) that were not going to vote for the Patriotic Act..

Terror around every corner, you're not safe anymore!!
Vote for the people that will keep you Safe, Bush and The Republicans, and if not, prepare to be terrorized
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 7, 2012 - 09:18am PT
Romney is trying to copy Bush's play book by becoming a war president and invading Iran...How is numb nuts going to finance another war when our country is broke..? More voo doo economics from the party of fiscal conservatives...
Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Oct 7, 2012 - 09:25am PT
Does anyone agree with me that Bush was the terrorist?

No. No terrorist will ever be able to inflict the damage on our country that Bush did.

Curt
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 7, 2012 - 09:25am PT


"More voo doo economics from the party of fiscal conservatives... "...
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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:02am PT
TGTs last post shows just how delusional and ironic this has become.
I mean seriously just sit back and let this set in for a minute.
We had differences before but we are now literally dealing with people who believe a fantasy.
A schizophrenic would be able to get more right about this country than TGT.

How can people, anyone, not think this is serious!

We have a large percentage of the country, practically half, who are voting against a fictional president and character!!

They are voting for the product of pure propaganda!

Just let that sink in.....try to let that sink in!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:05am PT
yes let it sink in that 15,000,ooo + first time voters did so much over the color of skin. Had nothing to do with the "country"... Give em a phone and buy a vote.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:08am PT

I mean really...

what the fuk was America thinking when it allowed a darker skinned man to become President???...

As if eating fried chicken is a qualifier...

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:11am PT
Dr F - not sure if you caught it but the Tom Tomorrow cartoonist was fired from the last paper that carried him in the country last week.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:16am PT
So BluBlock what is your stance on the "Morals" you asked about?
jghedge

climber
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:19am PT
Big Wall Climbers for Obama

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/07/1141236/-Big-Wall-Climbers-for-Obama


“I used to be a climber around here, back in the day”, he said as he looked into my eyes with intensity that I had not seen before. “I used to climb around here with a young man named Layton Kor.” I felt like someone had slapped me in the face – I was stunned. Layton Kor was one of the most legendary of all the pioneers of big wall technical climbing in America. “Excuse me sir,” I stammered, “but please tell me your name.”

I instantly realized who this gentleman was, this man who had invited me into his home to talk the politics of today. He is one of my climbing heroes, a man who in his time was at the very forefront of the courageous climbers who broke down the barriers of big wall climbing in North America, a man who established numerous first ascents of the vertical, blank granite walls of the Colorado Front Range. A man of unquestioned courage, honor, and achievement.

“Sir, it’s a true honor to meet you, I had no idea”, I said as I stood to shake his hand. The handshake was long and firm, the sort of handshake between two mountaineers who were to join forces and climb together. It was a handshake that established our common bond. We talked together as two old climbers for another hour or so. He told me stories of his introduction to and climbs with Layton Kor and others, about his pioneering the first technical climbs of The Diamond on Long’s Peak. I spoke of his original routes which I had admired and marveled at over the years. But soon it was time for me to leave.

“My friend”, I said as I stood to leave, “we’re at the crux of this (political) climb together, and it’s a really tough spot. But what have we always done at the crux of the climbs? We’re not gonna back off, we’re not gonna rappel down and try another time. We’re gonna surmount this problem and we’re gonna finish this climb together! “I’ll be knocking on your door again soon, and we’ll get this thing done.” He smiled warmly, his tired and concerned demeanor had now changed. The parting handshake lingered, and the hand which gripped mine was steady and strong. “You’re right”, he said, “come back anytime”. And I will come back soon, sir, because you are my new climbing partner. We are now Big Wall Climbers for Obama together, and we will get it done.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:26am PT
I read that same diary Hedge. I'm thinking it was Ray Northcut?
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2012 - 10:34am PT
Riley
I haven't heard that
I checked the comix out on Monday, the day it comes out,and didn't post it here like I usually do, since it didn't seem to help the message.
It's not like Romney won't use drones.
I am not in favor of the increasing use of drones, that's a given

But here it is, you decide

Credit: Dr. F.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 7, 2012 - 10:58am PT

New Yorker article

Good article - but it doesn't capture everything in my opinion.
Obama's biggest issue is that he could not be honest in the debate because of politics.
Even that would have been turned against him in some way - look at the uppity nigra!

What he wanted to say was Romney is an absolute liar and POS.
Obama was thinking I've spent the last 4 years hitting the bullseye on everything, saving the economy, saving 760 billion in Medicare, killing Osama, saving the auto industry, stock market, actually reducing debt, even killing pirates and spurring on democrat governments in north Africa and the middle east!!
And I have to smile and listen to this psychopathic liar?

I've been in his position at least once.
Dealing with a new manger in an ER where I trained and ran a trauma team, that was absolutely world class, and he basically f*#ked everything up so bad I lost 13 of my best nurses and most of my good docters in a year. There was not one good thing I could say in meeting with that guy and I couldn't hide it. He was lazy, ethically repugnant, stupid, and a liar.

The ironic thing is that Obama actually won this debate - Romney couldn't help himself again and got carried away with himself - for the few seconds he was honest he created the only sound bite of the debate that mattered. He wants to kill Big Bird.

Beyond that it is just more red meat noise for the FOX news zombies.

I actually even heard some simpathy in a Coulter sound bite " the president looked tired"



. OBAMA’S OLD FRIENDS REACT TO THE DEBATE

POSTED BY DAVID REMNICK

When Barack Obama was a student at Harvard Law School, he was never known as a particularly good debater. In class, if he thought that a fellow student had said something foolish, he showed no forensic bloodlust. He did not go out of his way to defeat someone in argument; instead he tried, always with a certain decorous courtesy, to try to persuade, to reframe his interlocutor’s view, to signal his understanding while disagreeing. Obama became president of the law review—the first African-American to do so—but he won as a voice of conciliation. He avoided the Ames Moot Court Competition, where near contemporaries like Cass Sunstein, Deval Patrick, and Kathleen Sullivan made their names.

Laurence H. Tribe, a leading constitutional-law scholar and Obama’s mentor at Harvard, told me after Wednesday night’s debate with Mitt Romney, “Although I would have been happier with a more aggressive debate performance by the President, I’ve had to remind myself that Barack Obama’s instincts and talents have never included going for an opponent’s jugular. That’s just not who he is or ever has been.”

Some of Obama’s old friends from Harvard and from his early days as an organizer and as a neophyte politician in Chicago were disappointed that Obama so clearly lost the debate—at least on the level of sheer performance if not substance—but the tone of that performance did not come entirely as a shock.

Christopher Edley, Jr., who also taught Obama at Harvard, served as an informal adviser, and is now dean of the law school at the University of California at Berkeley, laughed when I asked him if he was disappointed by the President’s strangely absent demeanor and pedagogical answers. “I’m a professor and he was a professor: What’s the problem?!” he said. “I usually don’t treat being professorial as a problem. It’s usually great in my book, but he played in that particular comfort zone of his and it was a mismatch for the occasion. I’ve been in too many debate-prep sessions to count with Presidential candidates—I worked with Dukakis, Gore, Dean, and Obama, in 2008—and there are some basics that the President just didn’t check off. Most glaringly, for starters, he failed to look into the camera for his closing statement.

“The reason I hate campaigns,” Edley continued, “is that being right on the substance isn’t good enough. That’s why I’m an academic. Of course, Obama knows that, but it’s also a question of what he cares about. I admire him for caring more about the substance than the tactics even if it makes me grimace when I watch him. Why does he do it? Look, we all do things in the short term that are not consistent with a long-term goal, whether it’s failing to save for retirement or watching TV instead of doing your homework. It’s called being human rather than being the ideal client of your handlers. It makes it harder to achieve his goal, which is to get reëlected. But if you wanted authenticity you got it [on Wednesday] night. And, really, you got it in an unsurprising way. We know that Obama skews cerebral and that he has never liked debates as a way to engage issues. He has said that many times.”

Obama’s friends from his days as a community organizer on Chicago’s South Side and his first campaigns in the city concentrated less on his forensic shortcomings; they were more frustrated with what they saw as Romney’s capacity to get away with inconsistencies and worse.

Will Burns, a Chicago alderman, who, as a student, worked for Obama in his (successful) 1996 campaign for the Illinois State Senate and his (unsuccessful) 2000 campaign for Congress, said that the format was too “loosey-goosey” for Obama, who failed to get aggressive with Romney.

“The President has always been someone who takes the truth seriously and has a great faith in the American people and their ability to handle big ideas,” Burns said. “He doesn’t patronize them. He uses the campaign as an educative process. He wants to win but also wants to be clear about his ideas. He took complex ideas like Medicare and the debt and tried to explain it to people so they can understand them while at the same time not being patronizing. And he is doing this with an opponent who is completely dissembling on every issue! There is a certain brazenness about Romney. It’s like [Stephen] Colbert talking about ‘truthiness.’ Romney stood there, with his hair and his jaw and his terrific angles—and he lied! About taxes, about Medicare. Obama pushed back on the five-trillion-dollar tax cut or the way Romney’s version of Medicare would destroy Medicare as we know it. And Romney just tilted his head and said, Oh, no, it won’t. At some point, you have to believe that the facts speak for themselves.”

Burns recalled that when Obama ran for Congress against the incumbent Bobby Rush and a fellow state senator Donnie Trotter, he would often find the debates frustrating, even absurd. “Obama always tried to keep his cool,” Burns said. “I sensed that last night. He was trying to keep his cool.”

Maybe so, said the Reverend Alvin Love, of the Lilydale First Baptist Church, on the South Side, “but I thought the President was a little laid back. Romney was really aggressive, even overly aggressive and got away with some stuff. The President stuck to the issues and took great pains to explain his positions and sometimes that can come off, in that setting, as a little cold. I thought he held his own but I guess when you get into that first debate, you want your guy to blow the competition away, and that didn’t happen.”

Reverend Love grew close to Obama when Obama was a community organizer. He could tell that Obama was never particularly comfortable in the debate format. “He’s better out there by himself,” he said. “His personality has always been kind of contemplative. In that kind of format, when you are contemplative, it makes you seem not as quick on the draw.”

Johnnie Owens, one of Obama’s fellow organizers on the South Side, told me, “I’ve seen him better. Some people said he came off flat and he did. He did his best, but a number of times when Romney was asked, Barack kept his head down too long and it made it look as if he didn’t want to deal with what Romney was saying, as if he was reading something. It would have looked better if he had lifted his head up and looked Romney in the eye.

“The job of being President,” Owens went on, “you can see it in his face—that level of seriousness, having to do what he does, and then go debate. His hair has gotten grayer so quickly! Mine, too, but for him it’s almost overnight. You can really sense the stress on him.”
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 7, 2012 - 11:03am PT
grasping at straws Riley? This sounds EXACTLY like the excuses given for BUSH! Plain fact is obama didnt perform and couldnt debate his way out of a paper bag. hes LOST w/o a script written for him by ,, of course, someone else.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Oct 7, 2012 - 11:07am PT
No Ron, he stood there and calmly told the truth while listening to a bloviating liar make impossible promises.

Being the loudest bully does not equate to winning.
Presenting the best argument is.
Obama won the factual arguments hands down.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 7, 2012 - 11:11am PT
he DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH either Philo..NO friggin way...
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 7, 2012 - 11:16am PT
Theatrics don't count for me Ron.
In my eyes he win the debate hands down - but I know and understand the truth and the issues. When we talk about "losing" the debate we are only talking about the theatrical debate as it relates to millions of low information voters.
He explained things, told the truth and didn't engage in a childish yelling match - what more can ya do when someone out right lies about everything they have said in the last year. There is not a straw in the bunch -
You know Ron I have no party affiliation here - no history as republican or democrat.
I just look at the truth - this is very easy for me to see.
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