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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 12, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
I got a hole in the rand of my climbing shoe.

I tried the bicycle patch thing, and so far it seems to be holding up.
Binks

climber
Uranus
Mar 12, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
The regulations should be as long as they need to be. You see, in this day in age we have things called computers. You can "search" for stuff in a document of any length and pull it up immediately. Wow
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Paul "Lyin" Ryan opens mouth and changes shoe.

"This to us is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0&feature=player_embedded
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 12, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
The regulations should be as long as they need to be. You see, in this day in age we have things called computers. You can "search" for stuff in a document of any length and pull it up immediately. Wow

Doesn't quite work that way, Binks. I can't put in "John Eleazarian" and have my computer bring up all regulations relevant to me. More importantly, I already have virtually all of my legal resources online. Using the computer to find them makes them no less onerous on my clients, and no less expensive.

The real problem with reliance on regulators is the "free lunch" assumed, namely that the regulators will possess enough knowledge to make efficient regulations. This doesn't mean I oppose regulation; I just don't automatically assume that regulation will make things better. The massive amount of regulation resulting from Dodd-Frank is certain to be expensive, and the more there is, the more likely it is that at least some of it will be destructive rather than constructive. I've already had to deal with some truly silly requests for information from the CFPB and from Kamala Harris's office, but I've also seen some rather silly (and quite destructive) policies of some lenders and loan servicers, too, so maybe the regulation will have a positive effect.

I guess my bottom line is that I find it irrational to assume that more regulation will make things better. It will simply make things more regulated.

John
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 12, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
The regulations are usually better than the authorizing legislation. Federal regs are well organized, relatively easy to find and not particularly voluminous given the expanse of the guv.

Not saying the application to a particular circumstance is straight forward or that there are not a lot of regulations. But the assertion that there are 20,000 pages of regulations for one act is just stupid.

Take a look--- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionCfr.action?collectionCode=CFR
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 12, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
The unthinkable has already happenned. The sequester was embraced with hardly a whimper and it has emboldened the Republicons.

Ryans budget is not even worth considering seriously excet for one thing.

It shows the republicons are going full scorched earth political war.

You think the sequester was strange.. You havn't seen anything yet.

We are about to see a shutdown of the government from no budget and we will for the first time in our history fail to honor our debts when they fail to pass the debt ceiling...

Gonna get a lot more interesting before it's over folks.. The republicons are ALL IN

You heard it here first.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 12, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
The Dodd-Frank legislation, bereft of resulting regulations, is almost four inches high on my credenza. When all the regs are issued, it will probably look like bookworm's posts.

John


just what exactly is this constant obsession with the physical size of a particular piece of federal legislation anyway?

when you have a massive financial meltdown as we did in late 2007 which was a fuking direct reflection of the failure to recognize the inability of markets to be largely free of regulation, then yes god damn you need a big ass piece of legislation to lay out the abuses and state what will now be the law to make sure that sh#t does not happen again

yet I don't get it, this "conservative" notion that somehow the number of pages is, gasp, something to be criticized, just as you brought up the number and physical size of the ACA a couple years ago, as if that was somehow relevant

what is this sh#t, some kind of grade school shallow ass intellect?

knock it off, you are better than that

on second thought, no, you are not better than that, you prove it over and over with your inane constant digs, meanwhile throwing in something seemingly reasonable every now and then to convince the majority that your reasoning is less non partisan and therefore more "fair" than just the average uninformed, misinformed, dumb ass Republican
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
The Republicans are heartless treasonous bastards

The Libertarians are crazy heartless treasonous bastards
And they both are considered Fascists by any definition of Governmental ideology
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Every Republican President since Nixon included a Bank Bailout that cost the Tax Payers billions, and others (cronies and insiders) cashed in to the tune on 100s of millions

The Republican Party is the Party of fiscal responsibility

The Democrats are Now the Party of the Moderate Conservatives, the liberals, and the fiscally responsible

And the Republicans are the Party of Big money special interests, and selling out the Middle Class
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 12, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Koz...that patch on the rand you mentioned is called a filler , buster...RJ
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 12, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Hey Derek i spied a couple 2 pitch (totally untouched i believe) granite formations in a canyon about 1.5 hours east of here and way off the highway but with a semi short approach-are you game for next week? Several good classic lines.
Anyway you guys are really drinking the koolaid if you think your representatives, regardless of political stripe, really have their constituents best interests at heart. The overwhelming majority of them are career pols whose only consideration of the populace is how to buy the needed majority of votes on election day. They then go back to being beholden to whatever pockets finance their victory, whether it's corporate, unions, or a myriad of other special interests, while enriching themselves and simotaneously picking your pockets if you happen to work for a living. The system is probably more corrupted than its ever been. It is in need of radical change which will come sooner rather than later unless their is a miraculous return to rationality in the general population.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
The New Republican "Serious??" Brainiac Economy Wonk, Paul Ryan, well versed on the Heritage Inst. talking point lies designed to flim flam the gullible to vote against their own future..

What Is It About America He Doesn't Get?

By Charles P. Pierce



Paul Ryan's latest "budget" only shows his goal is to stop the government from doing things.

Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny starver from Wisconsin and most recent first runner-up in the vice-presidential pageant, has released his latest "budget," which is only a budget in the same way that what the guy says to the pigeons in the park is a manifesto. It is constructed from the same magical thinking, the same conjuring words, the same elusive asterisks, and the same obvious obfuscations of its actual intent that Paul Ryan and his running mate put forward in the last campaign, in which they were so thoroughly rejected that Ryan couldn't even carry his home town. In fact, in this fiscal fantasia, the magical thinking, conjuring words, and obvious obfuscations are now run by us at 78 r.p.m. so as to balance the budget in 10 years rather than in 40. It is very doubtful that a country that declined to savage itself on a 30-year layaway plan is likely to agree to do so over a decade so as to get all the savaging done at once. What is it about elections that Paul Ryan doesn't understand?

What is it about America that he just doesn't get?

And that is the central pivot to Ryan's entire career, and certainly to his completely unwarranted stature as some kind of economic savant. Paul Ryan's economics are not economics so much as they are a statement of political philosophy. All political economics are based in political philosophy but, in Ryan's case, political philosophy is not the root of his notion of a political economy. His political philosophy is his notion of political economics. He believes that there are certain things that the government should not do for its citizens, and he would believe that if the balance showed a 20-gozillion surplus. His goal is to stop the government from doing those things. Everything else he does every "budget" he proposes is in service to that philosophy. His whole career has been made within the confines of that philosophy. It has blinded him to the very real human effects of what would occur if his "budget" ever was adopted, it also has blinded him to his own staggering hypocrisy a man seeking to demolish the very safety net that got him through high-school and college, a man talking about the perils of government who's never had a real job outside of it. He is engaged in an extended act of camouflage through which he concocts disguises for policy preferences that the country has told him, over and over again, it does not want, and which the country has told him, over and over again, do not reflect the country's idea of itself. When he laughed at Paul Ryan in that debate, Joe Biden laughed for America.

(We were a little tough on Ezra Klein yesterday and, in the past, he has been dreadfully soft on Ryan. But, good lord, Ezra parks Ryan's latest barrel of bushwah deep into the cheap seats. Well struck, young man.)

There's a clear tell to be found when Ryan starts explaining about "communities." It is a wonderful passage because it is so deeply weird, and so deeply ahistorical, and so deeply divorced from the way actual people live their actual lives that it makes you wonder if, instead of being the coddled golden child of the wingnut welfare state, Ryan was raised by tinkers on Mars.

We are a self-governing people. Yet, if we can't manage our own affairs, we can hardly govern a nation. It's in the assembly hall and the boardroom-in the town meeting and the state legislature- that we learn how to govern. And that's where we forge our common bonds. Yes, government is one of those bonds. But it can't unite 300 million people-not on its own. It needs our communities to tie us together. Today, our communities-our families, in particular-face many dangers: rising health-care costs, a stagnant economy, a massive debt, an uncertain world. These dangers require a lean, dynamic government-one that can protect its people and keep its word. They also require government to respect its limits-to understand it plays a role in our lives, but not the leading one.

Bear in mind when you read this that Ryan doesn't have the faintest fcking idea what he's talking about here. Let's begin with the easy part. What's the deal about "government"? Government encompasses both "the assembly hall" unless Ryan is talking about the Indiana University basketball team, which I doubt and the town meeting. Those are government as much as is the federal government, which seems to be what Ryan's really talking about. This puts Ryan on the wrong side, not only of history, but of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, which was called because "government," as expressed by the assembly halls and the town meetings, and the state legislatures, were tearing the country apart. You know why Paul Ryan likes local government so much? It's because local government is the easiest to buy. It's the easiest to intimidate. It's the easiest to break.

What does he mean by "communities" if not the self-government within which we create them? And how, exactly, is a city council, which probably spent the last two days arguing about, I don't know, Agenda 21's plan to steal our golfs, supposed to reassure me against "an uncertain world"? These are not the words of a man from planet Earth. But he does have some more word salad to share on the subject.

While we belong to one country, we also belong to thousands of communities each of them rich in tradition. And these communities don't obstruct our personal growth. They encourage it. So the duty of government is not to displace these communities, but to support them. It isn't to blunt their differences or to flatten their character to mash them all together into a dull conformity. It's to secure our individual rights and to protect that diversity.

The two greatest achievements of the Civil War period that were not directly connected to the Civil War itself were the intercontinental railroad, and the Morrill Act, which set up the land-grant universities all over the country. Neither of them would have been possible had representatives sharing Paul Ryan's views of "community" not absented themselves from both the national legislature, and the nation itself. Both of them were dedicated in giving the children of those communities a chance to break out of grinding, hopeless conformity mashed into them by a whimsical national economy, disease, flights of locusts, and the occasional murderous blizzard.

There was no more period of this country's history in which "communities" and the people in them were so thorough mashed "into a dull conformity" than in those deregulated, robber-baron, laissez-faire days for which Ryan has been so obviously nostalgic ever since his hometown sugar daddy got him a job in Bob Kasten's office. And, as for "communities" encouraging, and not flattening, our personal growth, well, Loretta Lynn was the coal-miner's daughter so, scoreboard! (And if you can't sing, well, coal mine, moonshine, or move it on down the line.) As for rest of the discussion of how things get mashed into conformity in our "communities," I will yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Hannibal:

Tom's most well now, and got his bullet around his neck on a watch-guard for a watch, and is always seeing what time it is, and so there ain't nothing more to write about, and I am rotten glad of it, because if I'd 'a' knowed what a trouble it was to make a book I wouldn't 'a' tackled it, and ain't a-going to no more. But I reckon I got to light out for the territory ahead of the rest, because Aunt Sally she's going to adopt me and sivilize me, and I can't stand it. I been there before.

We've all been there before, Huck. We can see a grifter coming over the ridge


Read more: Paul Ryan 2014 Path To Prosperity Budget - What Is It About America He Doesn't Get? - Esquire http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-newest-budget-031213#ixzz2NNqs7SoF
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
So we should just give it up
Is that your message?

Wycgfys

There is always one side that is doing the good fight
And I am part of that army
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 12, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
i spied a couple 2 pitch (totally untouched i believe) granite formations in a canyon about 1.5 hours east of here and way off the highway but with a semi short approach-are you game for next week? Several good classic lines.

Oh hell ya! Unless I'm in Yos next week..

Good idea posting sensitive FA stuff in the politard thread.. SMART!

Nothing to see here... look over there

Oh and uhm.. I heard Israel is about to strike Syria.. uhmm yeah ...

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 13, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Well Hedge i do mean sooner rather than later. Look at the country around you, sure it's showing slight improvements over 2009, but it has been accomplished artificially by means of massive stimulation and monetary easing on an enormous scale. Because of this, and in the interest of international economic justice and fairness, your wages have decreased substantially in relation to the products we all purchase for day to day life in the real world- the published CPI is a joke. Remember Ross Perot with his quote "the giant sucking sound" of our manufacturing jobs going over the border to Mexico. Well that sucking sound became a cyclone which sucked us dry of prosperity and deposited the remains all around the globe.Do you think we are more loved and respected around the globe for it? Do you think the world is a safer place after our era of nation building and toppling of authoritarian rule? By changing demographics do you mean the legions of uneducated illegals? The kind of demographic change we actually need is legions of legal and educated kids to support the wave of retirees that will be using social security and medicare. These systems are a ponzi scheme slowly exploding in our faces. We are just a few Lehman type events away from utter financial collapse and worldwide turmoil. Governments worldwide are inflating the biggest bubble of all,soveriegn debt,at a frightening clip. No your politicians, be they repub or democrat ,will not save us. They and their ideas are bankrupt.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 13, 2013 - 12:17am PT
Derek- i was lost on backroads when i found the place. I don't think there is anything to worry about in others discovering and climbing there before me. Hell the overwhelming majority of climbers would never consider getting lost in the desert for a two pitch crag regardless of the climbing quality.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 13, 2013 - 12:22am PT
grrranite Rick?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 13, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Mostly I was just kiddin rick.. seemed funny to be talkin about climbing on this thread.. Call me when you have a definite date you want to go next week.. I'll keep it free.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 13, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Yes Ron, honest to god desert granite. I would say a little more solid than Taqsheitz. Are you game too?
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