Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?


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Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
but seriously, you send MORE money than you legally have to send? Really?

yep, and I have been doing that for many years now

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Hint: Climbers ARE climbers because they can think for themselves (unlike repubs).

Lifted from another political thread, but posted here to try to minimize the number of OT threads. It strikes me as rather like the attitude that prevailed during my undergrad years in Berkeley: "We leftists think for ourselves, and those conservatives let others think for them. That's why there's so many of us and so few of them."


Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
I need to offer a free one week Supertopo course. I would give geology lessons and then drive around showing how things work.

I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat, and probably wouldn't even play hooky.

Your posts about the mechanics and economics of petroleum and hydrocarbons generally are some of the most useful OT posts here.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:24pm PT

Climbers and "thinking" : Hey whats the beta for that ? Whats the conditions there now? Uhhh wahts the crux like and rack needed? Ohww shyt -just saw some guy deck cuz all his pro pulled, Where did we go? Got a topo?
Hey,, im thinkin of rapping the nose ,, any "beta"?....just an observation..;-)

Oct 4, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
"We leftists think for ourselves, and those conservatives let others think for them. That's why there's so many of us and so few of them."

The proof is in the pudding

No free society has ever become more conservative, and less liberal, over a multi-generational span, or ever will.

We have conservatives now proclaiming that Clinton was the model president, despite their ludicrous, juvenile impeachment, which they have seemingly forgotten

In 15 years they'll be singing the same praises about Obama.


Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
Romney: Soft on Wall Street, tough on Sesame Street.


Social climber
So Cal
Oct 4, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
What a country!

Anyone can become president,

And any idiot vice president


Gym climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Four times Obama repeated the conclusion of an independent analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center that those cuts would cost approximately $5 trillion. Romney, in response, claimed "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don't have a tax cut of a scale that you're talking about."

Faced with that contrast -- a statistic generated by a non-partisan, widely respected think tank versus an unsupported assertion by a guy essentially asking people to trust him -- who did CNN and FactCheck.org declare had the more factual response?

Mitt Romney.

"Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true," FactCheck.org said. "Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit."

If a reader read on a mere 755 words, however, they would discover a salient point about Romney's proposal. It is, in FactCheck's words, "The Impossible Plan" because there aren't enough tax breaks to take away from the rich to pay for it, as Romney has promised he would do.

Nevertheless, in FactCheck's accounting, Romney got credit for a response that "wasn't mathematically possible" and Obama got dinged with a "not true" for repeating the findings of the Tax Policy Center.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
heres a good blow by blow fact check

The Warbler

the edge of America
Oct 4, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
Riley's post above articulates my sense of why Obama seemed to be reluctant to call Romney on his basic BS and changing of positions in last night's debate. Initially, I was disappointed that Obama let so many opportunities to aggressively challenge Romney "slip by", but after thinking about it, I began to remember other situations where in the long run Obama's apparent weakness has turned out to actually be strength in the form of a set up for his opponent, or a better sense of the end game on his part.

Time (and the election) will tell, I may be wrong. I think Obama is very intelligent, and could well be planning to pull out the stops in the last debate, using Romney's confidence and stretching of the truth or his outright lies in this first clash against him in a coherent and forceful final attack.

In my life experience, the guys who are the most full of sh#t are the guys who sling it with the utmost confidence.


Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 4, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
despite their ludicrous, juvenile impeachment, which they have seemingly forgotten

Yeah, nobody here seems to remember the abuse of the Independent Council Law of 1978, which was put in place to catch the next Nixon.

Ken Starr spent all those years digging under every rock possible trying to nail Clinton. It started out with Whitewater, but when that didn't pan out, he kept at it and finally caught Clinton lying about getting BJ's. Hell, I would lie about getting BJ's in my office.

"suicide of Vince Foster, the Whitewater scandal, Travelgate, Filegate, and later the Lewinsky scandal, 1994-2001"

-source: wiki

The law was allowed to expire in 1999. Even the Republicans realized that although THEY used it for partisan purposes, it wouldn't be too good for the next guy if it was a Republican. The methods that they had been using were too scary if they fell into Democratic hands.

No kidding. You guys must never read or something. Ken Starr was not an "independent" prosecutor. He was up to his neck in Republican money, and still is to this day.

Anyway, after wearily watching it for 5 or 6 years of unfruitful investigation after unfruitful investigation, it was obvious to both sides that it acted like a 4th arm of government and could be abused.

The law was allowed to expire, and there wasn't even a debate, much less a vote, to renew the law after 1999.

I wonder how Bush would have held up to a Ken Starr type?

Well, we got Ann Coulter out of that. She was on Paula Jones' legal team.

Social climber
An Oil Field
Oct 4, 2012 - 03:45pm PT

I found it very refreshing to see an attractive well spoken politician make a bunch of impossible promises.

Yeah, he lied through his teeth, but nobody cares about that. To be fair, if you only give someone 2 minutes, and they don't even answer the question to begin with, you can't expect much but bullet points and bullsh#t.

Gym climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
Ron, Thanks for your fact check site--looks to be fairly fair.

This last point I think is the most important, because it really is the foundation upon which Romney is running:

ROMNEY on cutting the deficit: “Obamacare’s on my list. ... I’m going to stop the subsidy to PBS. ... I’ll make government more efficient.”

THE FACTS: Romney has promised to balance the budget in eight years to 10 years, but he hasn’t offered a complete plan. Instead, he’s promised a set of principles, some of which – like increasing Pentagon spending and restoring more than $700 billion in cuts that Democrats made in Medicare over the coming decade – work against his goal. He also has said he will not consider tax increases.

He pledges to shrink the government to 20 percent of the size of the economy, as opposed to more than 23 percent of gross domestic product now, by the end of his first term. The Romney campaign estimates that would require cuts of $500 billion from the 2016 budget alone. He also has pledged to cut tax rates by 20 percent, paying for them by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest and through economic growth.

To fulfill his promise, then, Romney would require cuts to other programs so deep – under one calculation requiring cutting many areas of the domestic budget by one-third within four years – that they could never get through Congress. Cuts to domestic agencies would have to be particularly deep.

But he’s offered only a few modest examples of government programs he’d be willing to squeeze, like subsidies to PBS and Amtrak. He does want to repeal Obama’s big health care law, but that law is actually forecast to reduce the deficit.

As for losing the debate, it will be interesting to see how Obama uses the rope he gave to Romeny. Is it a slipnot, or a noose.

Gym climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
The NYT has a good article on the debate and all, and the comments are fun to cruise.

I like this one, from Monroe:

President Obama brought a number 2 pencil to a knife fight. We feared he brought the same tools to other fights with the GOP. Why can't a Democratic President unapologetically stand for Democratic principles? Why not say "Look, I don't need two minutes, I need you and the viewers to take a look at our country's books in 2002, then take a look at our books in 2008. We are not going back there and I sure as heck will not make the elderly, the sick and the majority of Americans pay for that multi layered fraud the Republicans cooked up and called trickle down. Thank you Mr. Lehrer, please give Governor Romney the remainder of my time to explain why in the world any thinking individual would support these George Bush policies."

John M

Oct 4, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
It has been illegal to dump any sort of "chemicals" or saltwater for around 75 years.

Sure its illegal, but some counties use to look the other way, or were just simply too understaffed to enforce things. And then you add in that some companies changed hands many times or went bankrupt and there was so much money involved that no one but the state ( maybe Feds, I don't remember, but definitely not the people who benefited financially ) ended up paying to clean anything up. It happened in California 30+ years ago.

This is one of the problems that I have with reducing the government. I agree that the government can and has at times gotten out of hand, but I also know that without oversight, there are enough people out there who will cheat and do things that harm others or the environment that there needs to be regulatory groups and police forces. It only takes a few corrupt people to screw things up pretty royally.

The person I know of who did this was my friend. We use to waterski and snow ski together and took many road trips. He was my bro. His family was in the oil business and they managed to skate completely from their responsibility. I had a very difficult time believing what my friend had done, but he as good as admitted to me that they had been doing it for years because it was too expensive to dispose of the chemicals properly. He is no longer my friend.
Randal Hassen

Gym climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
You guys are whacky! If you knew anything about why we are in this situation we are in, you would not be pointing fingers across party lines, and calling for justice. The Dems had just as much to do with the downfall of our economy, as Bush did. It had more to do with the Dems pushing for fair housing, and Clintons Admin repealing Glass Steagal.

Bunch of morons.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 4, 2012 - 05:16pm PT
Clinton's Admin repealing Glass Steagal.

This was Phil Graham deregulation policy. Clinton f*#ked up signing this and probably didn't even know it was in there after being brow beaten over a blow job for 2 years - but this is republican policy - and it continues to be republican policy.


Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 4, 2012 - 05:18pm PT

Social Darwinism leads to madness

Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
It's hard to debate a person that changes his agenda and the policies that he was advocating in the past on Que

if you ask him about his tax plan, or health care policies,he just answers with the answer that every one wants to hear

Taxes, deficits, anything, Romney will just change his opinion to whatever the audience needs to hear

He is shape-shifter, a chameleon, a Great Cars or snake oil sales man

He will sell you a Chevy truck you like, and tell you it gets 60 MPG, because that's what you want, if you were Bluring, he would sell you the same truck, and it gets 2 MPG, But Kicks ASS

Actually, once a debater starts lying, he is disqualified, and since Romney lied over and over, he loses by the rules of the debate

Obama Won by following the rules of Debate

The truth, Obama was appalled by the Psychopathic maniacal person he was debating, that he thought he should take it easy on him, since everyone should be able to see this guy is ON CRACK
and can't be taken seriously

Was he on crack, meth, heroin??
The obvious truth: He's a psychopathic Bully, and many people will see that as a Good Trait
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 4, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
Fatty wanted me to write you all to tell you he was on TV today.... local news today..

And after the debate he wanted to tell all his friends on ST


I think those are the exact words

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