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Boulder, CO
Oct 5, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
That about says it all doesn't it Ron?

Ron Anderson

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USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 5, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
Glad ya like my efforts Riley..That was a display for the show im sure - and came from many a different hunter or not.. White tails are at epic populations these days they feed a lot of people every year and keep insurance companies hustling. Creepy? Well not really considering man has ALWAYS been a trophy collector, shrunken heads, tanned body parts, teeth and claws and the like from day one.. Much like a climber might collect trophy antique pins or crabs..

edit: Nature, was i supposed to care about some unknown Georgia rep blathering about evolution being evil? Or any other facts about HIM? I figured it was a tri fecta burn- much like i get around here. I simply gave too much credit towards Rileys imagination is all.. assume away...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 5, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
IF one wants to see THE MOST dazzling array of wildlife art you will ever see, just go to the Safari Club Internatinal convention coming up in Vegas again, i believe Jan/feb. Its Expensive to even get in the door, but it will blow ones mind, i promise.

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Oct 5, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
inflation is going crazy RIGHT NOW. FOOD prices have skyrocketed as well as the gas prices

Ron, aside from oil (which has its own reasons for increases) and a few transient spikes in commodities, there basically is no inflation:



I believe that your shipping prices have increased and I'm sure that's a hardship, but broadly, inflation is at historical lows.

I realize there's a meme out there that insists that because of helicopter Ben, the bond fairies will strike any day now and then, OMG Zimbabwe! But they've been saying that for years now and there's not a lick of evidence to support it.
Dr. F.

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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

They were also able to justify slavery pretty well

Gym climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 06:59pm PT

"Is THIS your "brother"..."...

Sort of...

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Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
That gimp needs a talking to
He's voting for Romney because he thinks Romney is more Christian.
which is a Lie

Jesus was the founder of the Liberal movement

He was the original socialist, and wanted to tax the rich to pay for the under privileged
Food, health care, shelter, jobs

He was the exact opposite of a Conservative, and the Republicans today would have put him on a cross for his unconservative ideas and radical occupy movement

Gym climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 07:11pm PT

"he thinks Romney is more Chri$tian."...

Then he's correct!!!...



Gym climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 07:17pm PT

That religious nut is a republican congressman from Georgia, a Physician, with a degree in Chemistry, and is on the Congressional Science committee.

But you are focused on the Deer heads?

Looks like I had no idea what the heck you were referring to when I replied to your original comment on this Ron.

So, what the heck are y'all talking 'bout, anywhey?

Gym climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
I dunno, if I were to sneak in notes, this is how I'd do it ...


Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 5, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
Looks pretty suspicious, but this analysis believes not...
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 5, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
K-man- my link a page back with the Georgia Republican nutcase - click on the link and it will make sense...LOL

Interesting analysis

. Nobody had to tell President Barack Obama he had whiffed when he walked off the stage in Denver Wednesday night — nor was he in the mood for a lot of advice.

“You could tell he was pissed,” said a person close to the president, “But it wasn’t like the end of the world. It was like, ‘That wasn’t good. The next one has to better.’ No apologies. No hand-wringing.”

(PHOTOS: Obama not having fun)

That night, after a brief, terse chat with his advisers backstage at the University of Denver arena — “He had real clarity about what had happened,” one of them told POLITICO with a chuckle — Obama hopped in his limo, “The Beast,” and sped off to a nearby DoubleTree with wife Michelle.

He had had enough of politics for the night.

(Also on POLITICO: Colorado debate transcript and full video)

Like he does almost every time something goes wrong, Obama eschewed the mea culpas — he’s not big on apologies in front of his staff — and shut down to think things over with the adviser whose company he values most in times of trouble: himself.

At first, Obama didn’t think his performance was a complete disaster. But he began Thursday morning by watching excerpts of his own performance and was especially struck by his own tentative, grim demeanor — especially when he and a more relaxed Mitt Romney were broadcast in split-screen. It was worse than he thought, according to one person close to the situation. He was subdued but positive on a conference call with staff.

(PHOTOS: Scenes from Denver debate)

He huddled with his inner circle — David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Valerie Jarrett, Anita Dunn, Ron Klain and Jim Messina — and settled on the theme they hammered all of Thursday — a direct attack on Romney that accused him of out-and-out lying on his tax-cut claims and portrayed the former Massachusetts governor as a two-faced imposter willing to say anything to win.

Hours after arguably the worst debate performance of his career, Obama charged that Romney is a different man than the guy he faced Wednesday. But it was the president who seemed to be a totally different guy on Thursday. Gone was the distracted, deer-in-headlights mumbler. In his place, suddenly, was someone doing a pretty good impersonation of Obama ’08.

His mood was radically different Thursday — not just calm but buoyant, loose, focused. It reminded several aides close to the president of his response to Hillary Clinton’s stunning comeback win in the New Hampshire primary in 2008. It’s a cliché in his camp that Obama only feels really motivated when his own destruction is in sight, but the magnitude of his lousy performance clearly motivated him as he plunged back into campaigning.

“That’s not surprising,” said Obama’s former press secretary Robert Gibbs, now a campaign surrogate. “He’s been through all of the ups and downs for a long time in this business. If there’s one thing I know about him, it’s this: He’s not going to get rattled and he’ll be more than ready the next time.”

With Obama, it’s not just about will — it’s always about mood, too. For all that’s been written about his flop in front of roughly 67 million viewers, the reality, according to the people who know him best, is that he just wasn’t in the right headspace. The president had too many conflicting thoughts bouncing around his head and could never quite reconcile his desire to attack Romney with his fear of alienating voters by appearing angry or unpresidential. The result was a muddle that has given Romney new life.

Obama had always planned to play it pretty safe, but his advisers expected him to be more aggressive, peppering Romney with requests for specifics on his deficit and tax plans. They also figured on him smiling a whole lot more, a key part of winning the body-language battle.

And, to the puzzlement of Democrats, he didn’t mention two of the most effective attack lines — Bain Capital and Romney’s “47 percent” video.

On Thursday, Plouffe told reporters on Air Force One that the omissions weren’t deliberate.

“Sure, there might have been an exchange where that came up,” he said of the video.

Plouffe said Obama planned to make “adjustments” at the second of three presidential debates but dismissed the notion that his boss had gone “soft” by holding too few press conferences and sitting down for too many powder-puff interviews on “The View” and elsewhere.

“I said it over the weekend — people are itching to write the Romney comeback story, so it was already leaning in that direction,” Plouffe said.

For his part, Obama waited about 12 hours to start spinning his own post-debate comeback tale.

The first public sign of that new narrative — and Obama’s whipsaw transformation from drip to draw — was his appearance before a 12,000-person crowd at a park in Denver Thursday morning, when he rolled out his new, tougher attack on Romney: the Sesame Street assault.

“Thank God somebody is finally getting tough on Big Bird,” he said. “We didn’t know that Big Bird was driving the federal deficit. … Elmo, too?” But it wasn’t the joke that struck a top Obama adviser watching from stage right, it was the way the boss was gripping the lectern — left hand grabbing the front, right hand in his pocket.

“Look,” the person said, “That’s what he does when he’s really into it.”

Obama adopted the same posture a few hours later when he arrived in Madison, Wis., a liberal college town where he was greeted by his biggest crowd of the 2012 campaign. On Twitter, Romney supporters noticed the difference in Obama’s energy, too — and chalked it up to the presence Thursday of the teleprompter that had been absent the night before.

But the president and his entourage seemed to draw real energy, and a soupçon of solace, from the 30,000 supporters who showed up and the thousands more who lined North Park Street to wave at his motorcade.

Obama’s closest friend in the West Wing, Jarrett, sat with him as they drove in and seemed giddy at the crowd that rolled up Bascom Hill, first aiming her iPhone camera from field level, then ascending the camera riser for a better view, finally asking the technician who operated a hydraulic lift nearby to take her up for a better view.

“I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,” Obama said hours earlier at the Denver rally. “But it couldn’t have been Mitt Romney because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. But the fellow on stage last night said he didn’t know anything about that.”

That might be true, but Obama will have to face that fellow again in less than two weeks at a town hall debate in Long Island, N.Y. And Romney’s performance has left real doubts, from Obama on down, about the president’s capacity to rack up a victory big enough to erase the memory of Wednesday’s defeat.

If Thursday’s Obama performance was any indication, he’s more likely to compensate for his shortcomings outside the debate hall — at rallies that fire up a base that had been less than enthusiastic earlier in the year and more recently has been inclined to believe he will trounce Romney.

“It’s not a positive by any means,” an Obama aide said. “But for our supporters, the debate was sort of helpful because they have assumed the race was locked up. It isn’t. But that message hasn’t been getting through. This might scare them.”

CORRECTION: A previous version of this story misstated the number of people who watched the first presidential debate.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

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Nevada City, CA
Oct 5, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
"The whole Bin Laden thing is a complete lie and hoax ....."

Maybe we should relabel this thread:

Conspiracy Theory's and the People who buy into them.........

Trad climber
Oct 5, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
Randall you have the wrong forum. The gym climber forum is called Osh Kosh by Gosh climbers forum. Over thier most topics center around techniques for getting their parents to spring for a new playstation. The "mature" climbers there are discussing how bad braces suck and how to get a driving permit.

On this thread we climb outdoors on real rock (the horror). You should pm DT and see if he can take you on his next epic. I heard he is getting psyched for "men with cow heads" at Jtree

Republican: Rich, Religous, Racist, Retarded

Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
Now that I have new respect for Werner, after his great posts on this thread
I can't say anything bad about his post about Bin laden

Damn it sucks being a bleeding heart liberal/nice guy some times

But it was one of the most stupid things I ever heard
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:08pm PT

Editorial: Obama for president: A second term for a serious man.



© Pete Souza/White House

2 hours ago • By the Editorial Board


Four years ago, in endorsing Democrat Barack Obama for president, we noted his intellect, his temperament and equanimity under pressure. He was unproven, but we found him to be presidential, in all that that word implies.

In that, we have not been disappointed. This is a serious man. And now he is a proven leader. He has earned a second term.

Mr. Obama sees an America where the common good is as important as the individual good. That is the vision on which the nation was founded. It is the vision that has seen America through its darkest days and illuminated its best days. It is the vision that underlies the president's greatest achievement, the Affordable Care Act. Twenty years from now, it will be hard to find anyone who remembers being opposed to Obamacare.

He continues to steer the nation through the most perilous economic challenges since the Great Depression. Those who complain that unemployment remains high, or that economic growth is too slow, either do not understand the scope of the catastrophe imposed upon the nation by Wall Street and its enablers, or they are lying about it.

To expect Barack Obama to have repaired, in four years, what took 30 years to undermine, is simply absurd. He might have gotten further had he not been saddled with an opposition party, funded by plutocrats, that sneers at the word compromise. But even if Mr. Obama had had Franklin Roosevelt's majorities, the economy would still be in peril.

Extraordinary, perhaps existential, economic challenges lie just beyond Election Day. The nation's $16 trillion debt must be addressed, but in ways that do not endanger the sick and elderly, or further erode the middle class or drive the poor deeper into penury.

The social Darwinist solutions put forward by Republican Mitt Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, are not worthy of this nation's history, except that part of it known as the Gilded Age.

Mr. Obama has not been everything we expected. In his first weeks in office, Democrats ran amok with part of his economic stimulus package. His mortgage relief program was insufficient. Together with his Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, the president has been too deferential to the financial industry. The president should have moved to nationalize troubled banks instead of structuring the bailout to their benefit. Regulatory agencies and the Justice Department were unable to bring financial crooks to heel.

We had hoped that Mr. Obama would staff the executive branch with the best and the brightest. There have been stars, but there have been egregious failures, too. The "Fast and Furious" operation at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was a disgrace. The vastly expensive and unaccountable intelligence and Homeland Security agencies need stronger oversight. The now-renamed Minerals Management Service could have used some best-and-brightest inspectors before the Deepwater Horizon blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.

People who don't understand the word "socialist" accuse Mr. Obama of being one. But as president he has proven to be pragmatic and conciliatory. He is not one to tilt at windmills. He did not close Guantanamo. He cut deals with anyone who'd come to the table. In health care, banking regulation and most other policy areas, he has practiced the art of the possible.

In foreign policy, after being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for doing little more than not being George W. Bush, he has been a centrist. He has stood with Israel, but not as its surrogate. He brought the last of the U.S. troops out of Iraq. He began to wind down the war in Afghanistan — too slowly in our view. He let the nations of the Arab Spring follow their own course to democracy. He used thumb drives instead of bunker busters in Iran.

Against the advice of his senior advisers, he approved the SEAL mission that killed Osama bin Laden. He has been almost ruthless in his pursuit of terrorists, reserving to himself the right to approve targets. Regretfully, he massaged "due process" to allow himself to assassinate an al-Qaida leader who was an American citizen.

He is not a happy warrior, literally or figuratively. He is careful, cautious, private and deeply thoughtful, almost introverted. His rhetoric soars because he is a good writer, and good writers tend to be solitary souls. He is not as good working off the cuff, as was demonstrated in Wednesday's debate with Mr. Romney. But being careful and thoughtful is a good thing in a president.

As to Mr. Romney, we are puzzled. Which Mitt Romney are we talking about? The one who said of himself, in 2002, "I'm not a partisan Republican. I'm someone who is moderate and ... my views are progressive."

Or is it the Mitt Romney who posed as a "severely conservative" primary candidate? Is it the Mitt Romney who supported abortion rights and public health care subsidies in Massachusetts or the one who is pro-life and anti-Obamacare now?

Is it the Mitt Romney who wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion or the one who can't remember saying that now? Is it the Mitt Romney who said in May that 47 percent of Americans are moochers or the one who said last week that's not what he believes?

Mr. Romney apparently will say anything that will help him win an election. As a president, he might well govern as a pragmatic chief executive, or he might sell himself to the plutocrats and the crazies who have taken over his party. He is asking Americans to take a lot on faith — there's nothing to see in his tax returns; he can cut taxes and whack away debt while trimming deductions he will not specify.

Mr. Romney's business career is the only way to judge his foundational beliefs: He did not run a company that built things and created jobs and strong communities. He became fabulously wealthy by loading up companies with tax-deductible debt, taking millions out up front along with big management fees. Some companies were saved. Others went bankrupt. Mr. Romney's firm always got out before the bills came due, either in lost jobs, bankruptcies or both.

If the nation's most pressing issue is debt, why elect a president whose entire business career was based on loading up companies with debt?

In picking Mr. Ryan as his running mate, Mr. Romney signaled that he's ready to perpetuate that model in public office. The middle class hasn't had a raise in 20 years. Income inequality has reached record heights. Mr. Romney is the very embodiment of what's gone wrong with the economy: Too many people at the top create vast wealth that they do not share, either by creating jobs or by paying fair tax rates.

If more Americans were paying attention, this election would not be close. Barack Obama would win going away, at least 53 to 47, perhaps even 99 to 1.

But the atmosphere has been polluted by lies, distortion, voter suppression and spending by desperate plutocrats who see the nation's changing demographics and fear that their time is almost up. They've had the help of a partisan Supreme Court.

The question for voters is actually very simple. The nation has wrestled with it since its founding: Will this be government for the many or the few?

Choose the many. Choose Barack Obama.

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The White House today announced that it was offering a “substantial cash reward” for information leading to “the location and safe return of President Obama’s mojo.”

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced the search with an air of urgency: “We will use every resource at our disposal to ensure the return of the President’s mojo, and that goes double for his groove.”

Mr. Carney said that as of late Wednesday afternoon no one at the White House knew the President’s mojo was missing, but minutes into last night’s televised debate “it became clear that something was terribly, horribly wrong.”

Even if the White House is successful in locating Mr. Obama’s mojo, Mr. Carney acknowledged, it could take days or even weeks to get it working.

In an effort to reboot his campaign, President Obama plans to announce some bold initiatives for his second term, including killing Osama bin Laden again.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/10/white-house-authorizes-search-for-presidents-mojo.html#ixzz28TtEYzw8
Jim Brennan

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Vancouver Canada
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Here's an entry level demonstration of how to make money through leveraged buyouts :


Somewhere out there
Oct 5, 2012 - 10:37pm PT

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