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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:22am PT
Ron, you made a claim that you don't back up (that you are below middle class and pay more than 40% in taxes).

I say that's a fabrication.

It's up to you to either back up your claim, or disavow it.



Otherwise you're just like Romney--making claims that you don't back up.
We call that lying.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:24am PT
Much of what Romney said was half truths, but it was good to see Obama finally get challenged on some of the quarter truths he has been spewing. While I disagree with much of Romney's positions, I think he has been underestimated by the left and it was good to see him bring his A-game.

Romney also looked and sounded much more presidential. Obama appeared to be looking for his teleprompter at times.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:24am PT
Ron hollered
Imply? I was Implying nothing- i made a factaul statement of MY circumstance. It is You who tried to steer it into some sort of middle class generality statement.

Ron pays 40% because he runs a profitable business as a pass through entity and apparently sucks at taking deductions. Self-employment tax requires you to pay the employer's share of social security and medicare.


Crackaddict said
Much of what Romney said was half truths, but it was good to see Obama finally get challenged on some of the quarter truths he has been spewing. While I disagree with much of Romney's positions, I think he has been underestimated by the left and it was good to see him bring his A-game.

Yes, it was good to see Romney lying at the top of his game. Our only shot at real change in this country is to have a President who can lie convincingly when unchallenged.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:25am PT
Ron,

Are you including sales tax, import duties and government user fees in your 40% tax statement ?

Is everyone else assuming you mean only income tax ?

Yes Canada's different but if I add up ALL taxes paid including income tax and beyond, I pay the Canadian average of 50% of monies earned.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:26am PT
good gaarief.... Funny how all of you are suddenly experts at MY business, a business which NONE of you know a thing about. But continue on with the blather. But it ISNT making obama look any better....


edit: Jim, of course thats what i meant as i listed several examples. FEES from customs ARE TAXES. FEES for permits are also taxes. Fees for importations are also taxes.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:26am PT
Apogee, I agree with Tyson completely. It is absurd to kill off PBS but keep 100% of military spending (or increase it).

Can we still keep the hit out on Big Bird though??
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:26am PT
Yes, we note that HDDJ.

But he was comparing himself to the middle class, implying the middle class was paying even more.

Im not even "middle class" and my taxes have NOT gone down a bit. nearly 40% of what i make goes to taxes.

BTW Ron, get a tax adviser. You clearly are not capable of handling business taxes.
John M

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:27am PT
Ron pays 40% because he runs a profitable business as a pass through entity and apparently sucks at taking deductions.

I hate our current tax system. If you don't study like crazy and spend mad amounts of time figuring out the deductions, you can be seriously hosed.

Ron.. are you talking about all taxes and fees? Such as state and Fed and county?

Edit: just noticed that you answered. Thanks..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:29am PT
John,, i didnt mention STATE and COUNTY fees, permits and licenses.
jghedge

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:29am PT
Ezra Klein nails Romney on his abrupt left turn on deregulation:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/04/how-a-moderate-mitt-romney-would-regulate-wall-street/

"Romney essentially came out in favor of a new provision under Dodd-Frank, the Qualified Mortgage rule, which lays down new standards that lenders can use to determine if potential homebuyers can actually pay off their mortgages...Romney also risked putting himself at odds with the banking industry and conservative Republicans he’s successfully allied himself with so far. The American Banking Association, for one, claims that the proposed qualified mortgage rule would ”dramatically harm credit availability, the viability of the mortgage lending business and the housing recovery.” Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tx.), chair of the House Republican Conference, singled out the regulation for criticism in July, declaring that an additional rule, the Qualified Residential Mortgage regulation, “will increase mortgage interest rates by one to four percentage points.”


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Dammit apogee I came here to post that. :argh:
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:31am PT
While I disagree with much of Romney's positions, I think he has been underestimated by the left and it was good to see him bring his A-game.

Ronmey's A-game was a complete shift in the policies that he has been campaigning on.

Up until about a week ago, he was saying he'd cut income taxes 20%, across the board, and the highest corporate taxes from 35% to 25%.

Then, last night, he said he wasn't cutting taxes.


Romney will say whatever it takes to look good to the crowd to which he speaks. 47% to the wealthy, no tax cuts to the nation.




When I used to fish, it would amaze me to see the trout flop around in the frying pan after their heads were cut off.

Why does Romney remind me of this?
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:31am PT

I hate our current tax system. If you don't study like crazy and spend mad amounts of time figuring out the deductions, you can be seriously hosed.


Very true. You should not have to "buy your law" from a lawyer or have to hire an accountant to do your taxes. It is bullsh#t.

Get rid of all the deductions and make it flat or close to flat. Nobody gets out of paying some percentage, even if it is only 5 or 10%.
CrackAddict

Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:33am PT
Up until about a week ago, he was saying he'd cut income taxes 20%, across the board, and the highest corporate taxes from 35% to 25%.

Then, last night, he said he wasn't cutting taxes.

You must not have been paying attention last night. He is still cutting the rate by 20%, but making up for it by closing loopholes and cutting deductions.

Of course, what really needs to be cut is spending, not taxes (except for maybe the Corporate rate, even Obama agrees on that).
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:33am PT
try dealing with FIVE federal agencies in regards to taxes fees and permits in your business if you want a can of worms...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:34am PT
Funny how all of you are suddenly experts at MY business, a business which NONE of you know a thing about.

Ron, apparently we're supposed to believe that it's a very bad business (it puts you below middle class), and that the taxes are extraordinarily high (above 40%).

I'm asking for more details, allowing you to back up your claim. Instead, you just want to continue making your claim without backing up the statement with anything that allows me to understand why I should believe you.

"Trust me."

That is usually a statement that opens up all my senses because what it is really saying is "there is no reason I can think of for you to trust me."
John M

climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:36am PT
Of course, what really needs to be cut is spending, not taxes (

Romney has said many times that he would increase military spending.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:36am PT
Fee and permits are not taxes.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:36am PT
and yet,, i dont care...IF you want more serious replies, try this: NOT calling someone a liar. Until then,,meh......



and please,, dont even THINK im going to DISCLOSE ,my returns quarterly here for you...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 4, 2012 - 10:38am PT
Here let's all bend over backwards to try to get Ron to explain what he means when he could easily have done it himself to begin with but never does because then he can complain about all the assumptions that everyone is jumping to. This is some LEB level attention whoring.
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