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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 26, 2012 - 10:04am PT
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 26, 2012 - 10:48am PT
Former Republican Governor of Florida Back Obama

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/08/26/former-fla-governor-charlie-crist-endorses-obama/

Former Republican Florida governor Charlie Crist, writing in Sunday’s Tampa Bay Times, endorsed President Obama, calling him “the right leader for our state and the nation.”
Crist lost a bid for the Senate two years ago to tea party favorite Marco Rubio in a bitter battle that divided the state’s Republican Party. The moderate Republican ran as an independent in the general election after polls showed him losing the GOP primary to Rubio.

In his endorsement, Crist continued to criticize what he says is a Republican Party “pitched so far to the extreme right on issues important to women, immigrants, seniors and students that they’ve proven incapable of governing for the people.”

Crist also brought up last week’s GOP crisis over comments made by Senate candidate Todd Akin (Mo.) about rape and abortion: “Look no further than the inclusion of the Akin amendment in the Republican Party platform, which bans abortion, even for rape victims.”

A draft of the platform calls for a constitutional amendment protecting human life, but includes no specific language about exceptions for victims of rape.
Read Crist’s full op-ed piece here.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article1247631.ece
Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Aug 26, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
Also, Ron Paul was given an invitation to speak at the upcoming Republican National convention if Romney's campaign staff could pre-approve his speech and if he would unconditionally endorse Romney.

Ron Paul declined, saying that he did not fully endorse Romney.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/ron-paul-endorse-mitt-romney-gop-convention-speech-/1#.UDp-aELTxIc

Curt
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 26, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
I might not agree with Ron Paul about everything But that guy has my respect and admiration. Not a sell out and not a tool

PEace

karl
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Ron Paul has no chance of being elected because of what you like about him, Karl.

Romney/Ryan would be even less popular than Ron Paul if they were as honest about their positions as he is about his, hence the lies and secrecy which permeate their campaigning.


And a frightening proportion of the electorate gobbles it up, no questions asked, while the leaders and wealthy republicons orchestrate the show from the wings with crossed fingers.









TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
There's two things an authoritarian needs: Someone to worship




and someone else to despise.

Curt

Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
Aug 26, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
Excellent role models for each.

Curt
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 26, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
TGT

There's only one thing an authoritarian worshipper needs
Alien
Alien
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Aug 26, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
There's two things a whacknut Repug needs: Someone to worship

Credit: apogee

Credit: apogee


and someone else to despise.

Credit: apogee






















Credit: apogee
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 26, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
And a frightening proportion of the electorate gobbles it up, no questions asked, while the leaders and wealthy republicons orchestrate the show from the wings with crossed fingers.
We believe what we want to believe

And we identify and project our egos in association with public figures like politicians, much like we do with sports teams


Sis Boom Bah!! Go Republicans!!

:-)
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 26, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Well said Bruce: this gets to the heart of if.
I am thinking that its not that they like to follow.
It's that they need to follow - these folks have deep DNA breeding as peasants, beaten slaves, and loyal subjects, who survived not by thinking but by blindly following a dictator. If you look at the history of the world and the blind allegiance humans gave to even the most evil Kings!

. Karl that illustrates precisely the reality of Romney, and there is no doubt that the thinly veiled meaning was intended. There is a significant percentage of the population that has absolutlely no problem with an untouchable aristocrat attaining power. Hell thats half the reason they hate obama, for his "common breeding" and pathetic egalitarianism. He's a looser. Real winners display thier superiority with relish. Why do you think so many of us Canadians swoon for the monarchy? Around 30% of any given population are solid authoritarian followers. Some places its more, like Russia. In the USA its huge simply due to the persistent frontier fantasy of the gun nuts soaked with relentless religious tribalism. I know, its absolutely stunning and jaw dropping that anyone could actually jive to any of this narrative but its just basic Freudian yin stroking the authoritarians love button.

There's two things an authoritarian needs: Someone to worship and someone else to despise.

And the great thing about authoritarians is if you feed them enough hate they get good and motivated. Work them up into a frenzy and they'll turn out on voting day to vote for lucifer himself so long as the one they hate gets properly tarred and feathered and ass kicked out of town.

Remember that even with all that obama had going for him the first time, Maccain and Palin, about as loosing a GOP ticket as you could hope for, actually still hauled in 46% of the vote! That really says a lot about the general intelligence and basic impulses that are being pandered to here. Thats why Romney really dosn't have to do much more than look regal and ignore all the hard questions. There is a loyalty to ideology that transcends all logic.

Keep the base frothing at the mouth and try to get Obama to trip just once like gerald ford and they might just pull it off!
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 26, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 26, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
TGT- Please explain how the United States is now an authoritarian regime ok go
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 26, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
I've mentioned Right wing authoritarians before and the personality characteristics explain a lot about both Romney's recent behavior and more tellingly how his pathetic pandering to the Birthers gets a nod wink and a total dismissal as relevant from his flock. It may seem like a simplistic explanation to explain an entire political movement on some very simple and unsophisticated personality traits but there is unfortunately a mountain of scientific consensus to support it. unfortunate because diehard authoritarians are both stridently resistant to rational argument and dogmatically loyal to whatever authority they glom onto. In other words, they are hopeless cases.

Sure not all GOP supporters are total authoritarian personalities and in fact almost all of us have such tendencies, fortunately balanced by other impulses or intelectual capabilities. Nor am I suggesting authoritarianism is without use. I'd hate to see an army or library run without them. Still, you'd have to be an idiot, crook or a fascist to want your country run by them, and history shows that quite plainly. Whether its the GOP, canadian conservatives, Nazi Germany or Stalinist russia the core base of support are rightwing authoritarian personalities.

If that isn't a red flag to beat all others i don't know what is but no one should expect any lights to come on with the base. All thier lights are burn't out long ago.

As I said there's tons of peer reviewed betta on this stuff and one of the best is Bob Altemayer (Canadian of course) who wrote the definitive book on it, much used by John Dean in his Conservatives Without a Conscience.

Here's a quote that has a lot to say about the recent Romney birther statement and the predictable response from his fans. I'm assuming that all on ST no matter what political stripe would agree that Obama's birth issue is no issue at all.

Well, Cornhole Chomper excepted perhaps.

Anyway:

Once someone becomes a leader of the high RWAs' in-group, he can lie with impunity about the out-groups, himself, whatever, because he knows the followers will seldom check on what he says, nor will they expose themselves to people who set the record straight. Furthermore they will not believe the truth if they somehow get exposed to it, and if the distortions become absolutely undeniable, they will rationalize it away and put it in a box. If the scoundrel's duplicity and hypocrisy lands him on the front page of every daily in the country, the followers will still forgive him if he just says the right things. [Book 2006] The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer p.100

He's got a whole bunch of other hilarious stuff here:

http://www.whale.to/b/altemeyer_q.html


So what have our right winger friends got to say? All a bunch of hooey?

Where's DT these days?


Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
Well Said Bruce
I read Altermyer, and linked to it a couple years ago

Your right on the money
Bluering is a perfect example of the Authoritarian personality, he calls himself a true conservative, but its just pure submission to the authoritarian talking points, and complete dismissal of the truth, which he refers to as lies

DT as well, he has called the "facts" just more Liberal propaganda
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 26, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
TGT.....hate to burst your bubble but government jobs are disappearing under Obama so the Romney you tube is more of the same lies that you so desperately want to believe...Romney has that same moronic used car salesman pitch that Bush used...You really can't be this stupid , can you...?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 26, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
This is what we are fighting against on this thread!!!!!!
wake up republican dupes


Alan Grayson


The Second Civil War





This weekend marks the anniversary of the most brutal confrontation in the history of the American labor movement, the Battle of Blair Mountain. For one week during 1921, armed, striking coal miners battled scabs, a private militia, police officers and the US Army. 100 people died, 1,000 were arrested, and one million shots were fired. It was the largest armed rebellion in America since the Civil War.

This is how it happened. In the Twenties, West Virginia coal miners lived in “company towns.” The mining companies owned all the property. They literally ran union organizers out of town – or killed them.

In 1912, in a strike at Paint Creek, the mining company forced the striking miners and their families out of their homes, to live in tents. Then they sent armed goons into that tent city, and opened fire on men, women and children there with a machine gun.

By 1920, the United Mine Workers had organized the northern mines in West Virginia, but they were barred from the southern mines. When southern miners tried to join the union, they were fired and evicted. To show who was boss, one mining company tried to place machine guns on the roofs of buildings in town.

In Matewan, when the coal company goons came to town to take it upon themselves to enforce eviction notices, the mayor and the sheriff asked them to leave. The goons refused. Incredibly, the goons tried to arrest the sheriff, Sheriff Hatfield. Shots were fired, and the mayor and nine others were killed. But the company goons had to flee.

The government sided with the coal companies, and put Sheriff Hatfield on trial for murder. The jury acquitted him. Then they put the sheriff on trial for supposedly dynamiting a non-union mine. As the sheriff walked up the courthouse steps to stand trial again, unarmed, company goons shot him in cold blood. In front of his wife.

This led to open confrontations between miners on one hand, and police and company goons on the other. 13,000 armed miners assembled, and marched on the southern mines in Logan and Mingo Counties. They confronted a private militia of 2,000, hired by the coal companies.

President Harding was informed. He threatened to send in troops and even bombers to break the union. Many miners turned back, but then company goons started killing unarmed union men, and some armed miners pushed on. The militia attacked armed miners, and the coal companies hired airplanes to drop bombs on them. The US Army Air Force, as it was known then, observed the miners’ positions from overhead, and passed that information on to the coal companies.

The miners actually broke through the militia’s defensive perimeter, but after five days, the US Army intervened, and the miners stood down. By that time, 100 people were dead. Almost a thousand miners then were indicted for murder and treason. No one on the side of the coal companies was ever held accountable.

The Battle of Blair Mountain showed that the miners could not defeat the coal companies and the government in battle. But then something interesting happened: the miners defeated the coal companies and the government at the ballot box. In 1925, convicted miners were paroled. In 1932, Democrats won both the State House and the White House. In 1935, President Roosevelt signed the National Labor Relations Act. Eleven years after the Battle of Blair Mountain, the United Mine Workers organized the southern coal fields in West Virginia.

The Battle of Blair Mountain did not have a happy ending for Sheriff Hatfield, or his wife, or the 100 men, women and children who died, or the hundreds who were injured, or the thousands who lost their jobs. But it did have a happy ending for the right to organize, and the middle class, and America.

Now let me ask you one thing: had you ever heard of this landmark event in American history, the Battle of Blair Mountain, before you read this? And if not, then why not? Think about that.

Courage,

Alan Grayson

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125177543
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 26, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Riley- Can you please make sure to provide citations and links? We deserve to be able to see the source material and the authors deserve to have their work credited if you are going to c/p it. Thanks.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 26, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
good point - fixed
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