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Dave Kos

Trad climber
Aug 18, 2012 - 07:48am PT
I went climbing yesterday and this thread grew by more than 100 posts.

Great day of climbing, had a blast at Holcomb Valley. Almost nobody else was there. I climbed better than I usually do. All the credit goes to locker's resoles.

I'm not going to read the 100 posts, can anyone just point out the one that explains how Paul Ryan is going to balance the budget?

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Aug 18, 2012 - 07:59am PT
I understand Kevin, but what's even more disturbing to me is that Ryan thinks the zenith of human development is based solely on the individual and how the rest of society keeps them from achieving their goal of the mine, mine, IT's ALL MINE!! theory of social good. Well at least if he were really channeling Ms Rand. But if you look at his record,he's as hypocritical in his political positions as Rand was in her assumptions that individualism trumps social responsibility, ergo that dude who chopped up the little girl was actualizing the power of the individual.
The Warbler

the edge of America
Aug 18, 2012 - 08:05am PT
I'll take on the water boarding issue, TGT

Something must explain why lib/progs think waterboarding a terrorist is a crime against humanity
blah, blah, blah.

Liberals don't think it's a crime against humanity per se - it's a war crime according to The Geneva Convention. And it's a sadistic, counterproductive tactic for getting information, beyond that.

First we were told it wasn't happening, next that it was "enhanced interrogation", then it was "not torture", and therefore not illegal, then it was worth it because we were getting information that saved lives, and finally in retrospect we learned that the information they were getting by torture was fabricated to stop the torture, and probably led to more needless deaths from operations based on that info.

Lies, dishonesty, criminal activity, all wrapped up in it.

Meanwhile, while all that sh#t was going down, the military under bush's orders was killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

I guess dying is a liberating experience in a way....

All that for nothing, TGT. Nothing, unless you can point to something positive that resulted from it.

As far as comparing it to targeted assassinations and collateral damage - unfortunate and illegal as they might be, they seem a much more effective way of dealing with terrorists than the bush admin's blundering and insane spending levels.

Why do right wingers constantly criticize Obama for doing the stuff they would wholeheartedly endorse if a republican were doing it?

More blatant hypocrisy.

I won't waste my time debunking the rest of that drivel.

Is that the best you got?

can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Aug 18, 2012 - 08:36am PT
Republican voter suppression as seen by Bill Maher's "New Rule" last night. It starts about 2:30 into the clip, but the rest is fun to watch too


Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 09:32am PT
While completing the novel, Rand was prescribed the amphetamine Benzedrine to fight fatigue.[41] The drug helped her to work long hours to meet her deadline for delivering the finished novel, but when the book was done, she was so exhausted that her doctor ordered two weeks' rest.[42] Her continued use of the drug for approximately three decades may have contributed to what some of her later associates described as volatile mood swings

 Hey republigoons…. your favorite was just like limbag… a f*#kin meth head… How many of you have taken advise from someone on amphetamines? Oh, wait… you all do?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 18, 2012 - 11:47am PT
"Republican voter suppression as seen by Bill Maher's "New Rule" last night. It starts about 2:30 into the clip, but the rest is fun to watch too


Thanks. This really jerks my chain, particularly after that Idiot legislator from Penn blatantly stated the goal of the new ID laws, to give the election to Romney

And that election dude in Ohio, who tried to blatantly have extended voting hours in GOP districts only?! That's treason in my book


Fortunately, the outcry led the official to change the rules for equal voting hours in all districts but they are far fewer hours than previously planned for.

What do Republicans have against voting? LIke in Florida where they are illegally purging the voting lists too soon before the election for anyone to do anything about it and the Justice department is forced to sue


The Justice Department is suing Florida’s secretary of state to stop a voter purge that it says is against the law.

Florida’s own county election officials — a cadre of Republicans and Democrats — have already suspended the purge. Several officials told FRONTLINE last week that they found eligible voters on the purge list and concluded it was illegal to continue.

These local officials have said they’ll wait to see what the Justice Department decides before taking any more action. But technically, county officials could resume the process at any time.

This is the third case the Justice Department has pending against states it alleges are in violation of the Voting Rights Act, which bans discrimination against voters, and bars jurisdictions with a history of discrimination from making any alterations to voting law without approval from the attorney general or the U.S. district court in Washington, D.C. The DOJ also has suits pending against South Carolina and Texas over their voter ID laws.

In its letter warning of legal action, sent on Monday, the Justice Department attacked Florida’s plan on two points: It said the state started its purge too late, and that its attempt to remove noncitizens risked blocking eligible voters from casting ballots. States are prohibited from purging the voter rolls 90 days before a federal election, and Florida is holding a primary on Aug. 14. The department also said that the state was relying on flawed lists to conduct its purge.

“As one would expect with a new program that has not previously been tested against real-world information, your program has critical imperfections, which lead to errors that harm and confuse eligible voters,” Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez wrote in the letter.

Election officials had sent letters to “native-born citizens, including a decorated World War II combat veteran,” asking them to provide proof of citizenship or be dropped from the voter rolls, Perez said in the letter, adding: “Please immediately cease this unlawful conduct.”

Also on Monday, Ken Detzner, Florida’s secretary of state, filed suit against the Department of Homeland Security, alleging the department has prevented Florida officials from using its citizenship database to check its rolls.

“For nearly a year, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has failed to meet its legal obligation to provide us the information necessary to identify and remove ineligible voters from Florida’s voter rolls,” Detzner said in a press release. “We can’t let the federal government delay our efforts to uphold the integrity of Florida elections any longer. We’ve filed a lawsuit to ensure the law is carried out and we are able to meet our obligation to keep the voter rolls accurate and current.”

The Justice Department responded in its Monday letter that election officials hadn’t provided the needed documentation necessary to verify voters’ citizenship with DHS, and said that the state’s charge that DHS and the Justice Department were working together to “deny Florida access” to DHS databases was “simply wrong.”

The secretary of state’s office didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
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What If Every Voter Knew The Truth About About Mitt Romney's 'Job Creation' Record?:

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 18, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
. More blatant hypocrisy.

I won't waste my time debunking the rest of that drivel.

You are wrong because you chose to be TGT.
I might take a shot at all that other stuff later.

But I will add to Warbler.
TGT you seem to create your own narrative and than argue for hypocracy when that made up narrative does not pan out. Or you argue with the most extreme left wing view.
I and many others as well as well as Obama are not left wing.
Remember when Obama said he would go unit Pakistan to get Osama? Helloo? Remember how you laughed at him? Hello....Obama is not a peace loving hippy - there is a real world out there!
TGT we are not hard core left wing.
This is an argument of competence not ideology
Cognitive dissonance?

Torture is a war crime TGT - you can no torture prisoners!! War crime!! Geneva convention!! Get it? It was gross incompetence by the Bush administration to even attempt to legitimize torture and than get caught in so many ways - remember Abu grabe? It made America look bad, evil, incompetent and unlawful. And it didn't work!!

It is a matter of degrees of evil - like choping off your arm to save your body. Or performing surgery. Extreme circumstances require extreme measure but we hope they are competent measures!
Torture in extreme measures? Possibly...but to try and argue that it is legal and than make your country look like idiots? It was a typical Bush clown show.

Obama banned all torture and than kills Osama 2 years later!!
That happened!!

Drone strikes - I'm not a lefty- I do believe we are at war.
Killing these hate-terrorist leaders with one strike is the greatest thing.
These guys are nuts - I hate terrorists as much as I hate the KKK or any other hate group.
I wasn't against drone strikes when bush did it so why would I be against them under Obama?

Some leftys are! But they are against all if it! How is that cognition dissonance? Torture, war, drone strikes, ect....they are against it all..

And finally - remember the competence and surgical references?
Obama - kill one terrorist with one missle - yes f*#k him!... A dead terrorist.

Bush - attack a country - kill 500 000 civilians - torture and kill unknown millions - destroy upwards of 50, 000 American families....5000 dead soldiers....trillions of dollars in debt..lies.....wasteful money...corruption....corporate no bid contracts...another destroyed country...millions more who are now American hating terrorists.....all for one dead POS secular leader!

Do you see now who has the cognitive dissonance?


Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:12pm PT

Published on Saturday, August 18, 2012 by Robert Reich's blog
Mitt’s 13% Tax
by Robert Reich
Mitt Romney says “every year I’ve paid at least 13 percent [of my income in taxes] and if you add in addition the amount that goes to charity, why the number gets well above 20 percent.”

(photo: Marcus Demery / Flickr)

This is supposed to be in defense of not releasing his tax returns.

Assume, for the sake of the argument, he’s telling the truth. Since when are charitable contributions added to income taxes when judging whether someone has paid his fair share?

More to the point, Romney admits to an income of over $20 million a year for the last several decades. Which makes his 13 percent — or even 20 percent — violate the principle of equal sacrifice that lies at the core of our notion of tax fairness.

Even Adam Smith, the 18th century guru of free-market conservatives, saw the wisdom of a graduated tax embodying the principle of equal sacrifice. “The rich should contribute to the public expense,” he wrote, “not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more in proportion.”

Equal sacrifice means that in paying taxes people ought to feel about the same degree of pain regardless of whether they’re wealthy or poor. Logically, this means someone earning $20 million a year should pay a much larger proportion of his income in taxes than someone earning $200,000, who in turn should pay a larger proportion than someone earning $50,000.

But Romney’s alleged 13 percent tax rate is lower than that of most middle class Americans who earn a tiny fraction of what he earns.

At a time when poverty is increasing, when public parks and public libraries are being closed and when public schools are shrinking their offerings and their hours, when the nation’s debt is immense, and when the 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million of us put together — Romney’s 13 percent is shameful.

© 2012 Robert Reich

 Rombley is a tax cheat and should be shamed at every event he attempts to speak at.

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:13pm PT
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
I wonder if Romney's lawyers and accountants are even now negotiating with the IRS, in an effort to ensure that his financial affairs are presentable and transparent? That is, offshore accounts and investments declared, all taxes and penalties paid, and showing that he's paying, even if retroactively, a reasonable amount of income tax? So that he can then dramatically disclose his (amended and laundered) returns, to prove that everything's OK after all?

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
the 400 richest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million

god bless capitalism

Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
^^^ for the video….content or relevance to anything….? ^^^^

Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
blah blah blah
shouldn't you guys be climbing or something

Somewhere out there
Aug 18, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
^^^ I cannot climb any longer ^^^


Ryan Funded by Goldman Sachs, Koch, Insurance Industry

By Kate Golden and Bill Lueders
, August 16, 2012

Rep. Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney’s pick for vice president, may be the face of the Tea Party favorite caucus in Congress. But big business interests have also contributed mightily to the budget chairman’s campaign, according to analyses from the nonpartisan political money trackers at MapLight.
Wall Street, insurance, health care and pharmaceutical interests contributed the most to the Janesville Republican’s campaign from July 1, 2009, through June 30, 2011. Those corporate interests accounted for about $817,000 of the $3.2 million Ryan raised during this two-year period.
One of Congress’s top fundraisers, Ryan entered the current election cycle with more than $3 million cash on hand. He now reports having $5.4 million cash on hand in his congressional war chest.
Top organizations funding Ryan included Wisconsin insurers Northwestern Mutual and American Family Insurance, accounting firm Pricewaterhousecoopers, Goldman Sachs and Koch Industries.

Like many legislators, Paul Ryan — a career politician who is chairman of the House budget committee and also sits on Ways and Means — raises plenty of money from the District of Columbia.
In MapLight’s most recent analysis, of data from 2005 to 2007, 65 percent of his contributions came from outside Wisconsin and 83 percent from outside his southeastern Wisconsin district. Donations from Washington and Virginia together accounted for more than those from Wisconsin.
Readers can explore the data at Maplight.org’s Paul Ryan page. The publicly available data is compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
(In case you are interested:
Members of Congress are not required to precisely disclose their personal wealth, other than to identify individual assets within set ranges. Ryan’s most recent disclosure, filed in May, puts him toward the high end of Wisconsin’s congressional delegation.
According to this filing., Ryan has assets worth more than $2 million but less than $10 million. Much of his money is salted away in money markets, mutual funds and individual stock holdings. He has substantial investments in mining companies and Home Depot. He also reports having between $100,000 and $250,000 set aside in Edvest, a college savings plan.
Ryan reports owing between $250,000 and $500,000 for the mortgage on his Janesville home.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 18, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
I sat in a very strict fundamentalist Catholic church for 20 years and listened to everything the priest said.

I went to an all boys Christian Brothers High School.

All of it had NO EFFECT on me, in fact the OPPOSITE, I became an atheist.

Only a naive and ignorant person who assume people are not capable of listening to other people and not childishly having their thoughts become your own.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 18, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
In college in the 1960s, I had many "good friends" who advocated the violent overthrow of the US government.

Their opinions had no effect on myself or my own future thoughts.

Only a naive and ignorant person who assume people are not capable of listening to other people and not childishly having their thoughts become your own.

Aug 18, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
Ryan Pick Creates Poll Bounce - For Obama


President Obama continues to hold a lead over Mitt Romney one week after Romney selected Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as his running. A Real Clear Politics average of five polls from the last two weeks currently has Obama ahead 47.7% to 43.7% for Romney. Ten days ago, Obama only led by 2.5 points, so he has actually increased his lead since the Ryan pick.


Repubs Have Failed.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 18, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
The Republican voters are thoroughly pissed and frustrated because Romney and Ryan are circling the drain....The attacks on Obama are being turned up as a result of this frustration...The republicans only have their unproven talking points to go on and are beginning to realize they have nothing...Suprise , suprise...Lol...
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