CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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"Compare this with Government spending in the U.S. at 39% of GDP and RISING."
And all of those countries have socialized health care and cradle to grave social programs
So does the U.S. to some degree, so what? These countries have had to cut the size of Government, including the programs you mention. And their economies are much more robust for it.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
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Crack wrote: Our politicians/republicans set the rate very high and then republicans sell exemptions to the corporations that pay to keep them in office.
Fixed that for you.
Thanks for making that clear. In light of your clarification, I was a little confused by this picture though:
Incidentally, I wonder why all the uproar about a couple Billion dollars lost by traders at JPM (the bank's own money) when there was no backlash at all when Corzine STOLE a couple Billion from his investors. Corzine has not been charged with anything - I guess that is the perk of being an Obama contributor.
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fattrad
Mountain climber
GOP Convention
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May 24, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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Hedge,
All of those countries are cutting back on health and cradle to grave. I've already posted the links.
TheTool
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 24, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
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And you're ALWAYS WRONG!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 24, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
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Crack wrote: I guess that is the perk of being an Obama contributor.
I guess you are wrong.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 24, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
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you are nauseatingly and relentlessly stupid
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jghedge
climber
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May 24, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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"All of those countries are cutting back on health and cradle to grave. I've already posted the links."
Hahahahaha, wrong, caught lying again.
Show me one link that shows social programs that actually have been cut, not "are cutting back". It's pointless, no private program can provide those services more efficiently than the gov't can, and without them, society collapses. How did the socialist just get elected president of France? By promising to cut social programs?
You've failed again.
And now you'll post a link that disproves your point, but, of course, you're too stupid to realize that the link you post contradicts you.
Sooo entertaining.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 24, 2012 - 05:24pm PT
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I think Crack was looking for that information earlier
but since it proves his narrative wrong, he will probably question its country of birth
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 24, 2012 - 05:31pm PT
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This is because the Canadian rate is flatter, i.e. there are fewer loopholes. Our politicians set the rate very high and then sell exemptions to the corporations that pay to keep them in office
Every now and then CA gets it right. Although that's only a small piece of the economic puzzle.
These countries have had to cut the size of Government, including the programs you mention Factually correct.
And their economies are much more robust for it. That is currently a topic of strenuous debate in the EU. OECD has just published a report that many of the countries have already gone too far in social cuts. Taking money out of people's pockets and strangling demand for goods and services.
At least up to this point, the EU deficit debates have been largely polite and argued on legitimate grounds of economics and social justice.
Unlike here, where corporations Rule and the politicians (especially Boner/Meathead/CantDo) practice "strangle the other party and the people be damned"
Doesn't help that all the Republitards (including in the California legislature) have signed Grover Norquist's No New Taxes pledge
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 24, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
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Crack is a cherry picker...only when it suits his rants.
Four more years of Obama...digest that!
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 05:38pm PT
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Show me one link that shows social programs that actually have been cut, not "are cutting back". It's pointless, no private program can provide those services more efficiently than the gov't can, and without them, society collapses. How did the socialist just get elected president of France? By promising to cut social programs?
How on Earth would Canada cut 40% of its government spending and NOT cut social programs? Are you smoking more Datura?
And no, society does not collapse when social programs are cut. Did society collapse after Clinton reformed welfare in the 90s?
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jghedge
climber
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May 24, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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"How on Earth would Canada cut 40% of its government spending and NOT cut social programs? Are you smoking more Datura?"
Then it should be that much easier to post the facts that show that, right?
What's Datura?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 24, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
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society does not collapse when social programs are cut. All depends on the economic context at the time.
When Clinton cut welfare benefits the economy was doing very well. After he'd been in office a full term and a couple of years before the Tech Bubble burst.
Cutting government jobs and welfare benefits now would slow the economic recovery, besides being cruel to many who are out of work through no fault of their own.
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jghedge
climber
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May 24, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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"And no, society does not collapse when social programs are cut. Did society collapse after Clinton reformed welfare in the 90s?"
Hahahaha, please go ahead and explain for us what that actually "reformed".
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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"How on Earth would Canada cut 40% of its government spending and NOT cut social programs? Are you smoking more Datura?"
Then it should be that much easier to post the facts that show that, right?
What's Datura?
Jimson weed, grows in Joshua Tree.
Anyway, Canada spends ALL its money on social programs. Their military budget is smaller than that of the Boy Scouts in the U.S. - what else are they going to spend money on??
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locker
Gym climber
DUH!!!...
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May 24, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
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"Deadly Nightshade"...
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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May 24, 2012 - 05:50pm PT
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Cutting government jobs and welfare benefits now would slow the economic recovery, besides being cruel to many who are out of work through no fault of their own.
The "Recovery" is already moving like a turd in the sun.
So do you think the Soviet Union should have kept all of it's government jobs? They did have 100% employment, so they were doing quite well, right?
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