Yes,apparently it is, according to Mr Apogee (who I originally responded to) and perhaps yourself Mr. Stahlbro, who sought to pin the 'responsibility' for unavoidable civilian deaths on Republicans, exclusively.
Since Truman was President when Hiroshima was fried, are Democrats primarily to blame for the innocent civilians that died that awful day?
"Again, if you AREN'T OK with Reagan's debt, if you think it was disastrous for the country, simply explain why you have no problem with the debts Obama is running up with no plans to stop (8X Reagan's!!)."
Yet a 10 year old could point out that the exact same critique applies to Reagan from the perspective of previous administrations, and that previous dem administrations ran 1:1 debt/GDP ratios, which the country seems to have survived...
Also that Reagan's debt, adjusted for inflation, is $3.6 trillion, and no, Paul, that isn't happening under Obama this year, nor will it in the future.
The disturbing thing about Paul is how he seems not to realize that the exact same critique he applies to Obama supporters applies to him as well; i.e. not only that he expects us to adhere to a standard he refuses to, but that he seems to consider himself (and his ideology) immune from the same criticism; therefore, we should hand the fiscal reins back over to the ideology that created The Lost Decade from which we are all still suffering in the first place.
And when you point this out, the "debate" effectively ends, devolving into either name-calling, semantic gerrymandering, accusations of partisanship, or by him asking whoever he's "debating" to disprove his false hypotheticals, for which he himself, of course, refuses to provide any proof in the first place - which, of course, would get you laughed out of any actual debate.
"Since Truman was President when Hiroshima was fried, are Democrats primarily to blame for the innocent civilians that died that awful day?"
Sure. Dems are proud of WW2, and The Greatest Generation that achieved that victory, and the greatest president of the 20th century that engineered it. Repubs did everything they could, right up until 12/7/41, to keep us out of WW2. They failed then, they're failing now.
No wonder that no repub administration except Lincoln (who was the prototypical liberal) has ever, or will ever, successfully conclude a major military conflict. Their constituency is too much like you.
"...pin the 'responsibility' for unavoidable civilian deaths on Republicans"
Umm, I think the history books are pretty clear on that one, Donald. Iraq was a fabricated boondoggle that wasted 1000x more $ than GSA ever did, costs thousands and thousands of lives, and was initiated and advanced by a Republican/NeoCon agenda.
Sure, a bunch of congressional Dems voted it forward in the midst of post-9/11 fear-based irrationality (also cultivated by Repugs). But ask yourself this: if your SCOTUS had found for Gore, do you really think he would have taken the same path?
Mr Hedge:
History revisionism is not your strong point. Trouble is, you have no strong points. This audio recording might improve your name callin' though.Make it more multi-dimensional.
Red at Tube Bar actually was the inspiration for Moe the bartender in The Simpsons
Sure, a bunch of congressional Dems voted it forward in the midst of post-9/11 fear-based irrationality (also cultivated by Repugs)
Ohhh I see. "also cultivated by Repugs)" my favorite line.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." Senator John Edwards (D-NC), October 10, 2002
"While the distance between the United States and Iraq is great, Saddam Hussein's ability to use his chemical and biological weapons against us is not constrained by geography - it can be accomplished in a number of different ways - which is what makes this threat so real and persuasive." Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), October 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"The essential facts are known. We know of the weapons in Saddam's possession: chemical, biological, and nuclear in time. We know of his unequaled willingness to use them. We know his history. His invasions of his neighbors. His dreams of achieving hegemonic control over the Arab world. His record of anti-American rage. His willingness to terrorize, to slaughter, to suppress his own people and others. We need not stretch to imagine nightmare scenarios in which Saddam makes common cause with the terrorists who want to kill us Americans and destroy our way of life." Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), September 13, 2002
"Make no mistake: Saddam Hussein is a ruthless tyrant, and he must give up his weapons of mass destruction. We support the President in the course he has followed so far: working with Congress, working with the United Nations, insisting on strong and unfettered inspections. We must convince the world that Saddam Hussein is not America's problem alone; he is the world's problem. And we urge President Bush to stay this course for we are far stronger when we stand with other nations than when we stand alone." Governor Gary Locke (D-WA), January 28, 2003 Democratic Response to President Bush's "State of the Union" address
if your SCOTUS had found for Gore, do you really think he would have taken the same path?
I don't know and you don't know. Next question.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
And.....
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"...pin the 'responsibility' for unavoidable civilian deaths on Republicans"
Look, DT, you seem to believe that those 'unavoidable civilian deaths' are not solely the responsibility of Republicans. Right?
Politics is politics. Whoever's in charge, drives. Repugs were in the driver's seat when they decided to drive us into Iraq, and they were in the same seat when it drove into the big ditch (not that Big Ditch).
It's that simple, and you know goddam well that's the case. You & your Repugs play immature 4th grader games, trying to change the subject, or restate the same bullshit so many times with the hope that someone else besides yourselves will believe it.
Edit: You really need to get a better girlie sign-off pic.
It's that simple, and you know goddam well that's the case. You & your Repugs play immature 4th grader games, trying to change the subject, or restate the same bullshit so many times with the hope that someone else besides yourselves will believe it.
Your transparent attempt at history revisionism for partisan advantage has failed.
Do you remember the CIA admitting they had misled congress ?
Do you remember Colin Powell admitting he misled the nation?
The dems are no less accountable than Bush for Iraq. In fact, they are more blameworthy because of such spineless opposition. Folks like to make it seem like evil Bush dragged us into war in the middle east, but it was really a compliant congress that did the job.
It was a profoundly stupid thing to do, but the dems deserve equal if not more credit.
Let us know!