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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
Ohww ok so much for "no left man behind" shyt eh...Seems mexico has different "immigration/border crossing standards"...

and fyi crankuser I DONT DRINK..So gfys poofter.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
I imagine booze doesn't mix well with your anti-psychotic meds.
Please, stay on them for all our sake.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
Time to INVADE mexico once and for all.

Get help Angry Ron
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
Looks like Tahmooressi stopped up at Ron's gun 'n ammo depot on the way to Mexico. Dudes been there like, what, 2 months?
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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
Why dont you go "fluff" the crankuser..
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
How old are you again?

Why the obsession with gay sex?
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
I think I'm going to have a conversation with a tin can instead of trying to debate Rifleman Ron, Militia Member, tonight. Better conversation.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 7, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
Yeah an angry immature America-hating mental patient who takes the short bus to work at the gun store is not worthy of your time. Mine either lol
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
I stand corrected. There is a voice of reason on Fox occasionally.

Many Fox News hosts and pundits rushed to brand recently released Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl as a deserter and a traitor, but Shepard Smith took a different line by saying he was "disgusted" by the rush to judgment, cautioning that Bergdahl is innocent until proven guilty.

On May 31, the White House announced it had secured the release of Bergdahl from the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Right-wing critics of President Obama began reporting as fact that Bergdahl had been a deserter and collaborated with the enemy, despite the fact that an investigation into the matter has not yet taken place.

On the June 3 edition of Shepard Smith Reporting, host Smith took umbrage at the reporting, saying, "If you desert or commit treason, you have to be proved to have done so. We can't just decide because some people come on television and yakety yak, and we've got a report of this and a report of that and that's what happened. As the Army said, as the Pentagon said, you bring them home. You bring them home first, and then you investigate."
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jun 7, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
Watch the video of the sh#t-bag's release very carefully.

He was weeping at losing his buddies. Watch him wipe away tears, and watch his mouth as he weeps.

THEN! One of the dudes, his "captors", comes over and pats him on the chest to comfort him.

Impeach Obama. He violated Federal Law that HE SIGNED.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 7, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
Impeach Obama. He violated Federal Law that HE SIGNED.

I hope they try.. It's fun watching the repugs shoot themselves in the foot.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 7, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
David Brooks, successor to William F. Buckley:

PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS RIGHT

Americans donít have a common ancestry. Therefore, we have to work hard to build national solidarity. We go in for more overt displays of patriotism than in most other countries: politicians wearing flag lapel pins, everybody singing the national anthem before games, saying the Pledge of Allegiance at big meetings, revering sacred creedal statements, like the Gettysburg Address.

We need to do this because national solidarity is essential to the health of the country. This feeling of solidarity means that we do pull together and not apart in times of crisis, like after the attacks on 9/11. Despite all our polarization, we do accept the election results, even when the other party wins. People in New York do uncomplainingly send tax dollars to help people in New Mexico. We are able to assimilate waves of immigration.

National solidarity is especially important for the national defense. Men and women serve in the armed forces for a variety of reasons, but one of them is the awareness that it is an extraordinary privilege to be an American, that it is a debt that needs to be repaid with service.

Soldiers in combat not only protect their buddies, they show amazing devotion to anyone in the uniform, without asking about state or ethnicity. This is the cohesion that makes armies effective.

These commitments, so crucial, are based on deep fraternal sentiments that have to be nurtured with action. They are based on the notion that we are members of one national community. **We will not abandon each other; we will protect one another; heroic measures will be taken to leave no one behind. Even if it is just a lifeless body that we are retrieving, it is important to repatriate all Americans.
**

The president and vice president, the only government officials elected directly by the entire nation, have a special responsibility to nurture this national solidarity. So, of course, President Obama had to take all measures necessary to secure the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Of course, he had to do all he could do to not forsake an American citizen.

It doesnít matter if Bergdahl had deserted his post or not. It doesnít matter if he is a confused young man who said insulting and shameful things about his country and his Army. The debt we owe to fellow Americans is not based on individual merit. It is based on citizenship, and loyalty to the national community we all share.

Soldiers donít risk their lives only for those Americans who deserve it; they do it for the nation as a whole.

It is not dispositive either that the deal to release Bergdahl may put others at risk. The five prisoners released from GuantŠnamo Bay, Cuba, in a swap for Bergdahl seem like terrible men who could do harm. But their release may have been imminent anyway. And the loss of national fraternity that would result if we start abandoning Americans in the field would be a greater and more long lasting harm.

Israel once traded 1,027 Palestinian prisoners to get back one of their own. Another time they traded 1,150 prisoners to get back three of their own. They did it because of a deep awareness that national cohesion is essential to national survival. They did it because Israeli parents share a common emotional bond; the imprisonment of one of their children touches them all. In polarized countries, especially, you have to take care of your own. If you donít, the corrosive effects will be cumulative.

It doesnít matter either that the United States government ended up dealing with terrorists. In the first place, the Taliban is not a terrorist organization the way Al Qaeda is. America has always tried to reach a negotiated arrangement with the Taliban, and this agreement may be a piece of that. In the second place, this is the dirty world we live in. Sometimes national leaders are called upon to take the sins of the situation upon themselves for the good of the country, to deal with the hateful and compromise with the loathsome. Thatís their form of sacrifice and service.

So President Obama made the right call. If he is to be faulted, it would be first for turning the release into an Oprah-esque photo-op, a political stunt filled with inaccurate rhetoric and unworthy grandstanding. It would next be for his administrationís astonishing tone-deafness about how this swap would be received.

Most of all, the Obama administration can be faulted for not at least trying to use the language of communal solidarity to explain this decision. Apparently, we have become such a hyperindividualized culture that it is impossible to even develop an extended argument on how individual cases fit into the larger fabric of the common good.

Still, the presidentís instincts were right. His sense of responsibility for a fellow countryman was correct. Itís not about one person; itís about the principle of all-for-one-and-one-for-all, which is the basis of citizenship.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 8, 2014 - 12:09am PT
We the people have an option and its called IMPEACHMENT
.

Inconvenient fact: We the People do not have the option of Impeachment.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jun 8, 2014 - 05:40am PT
Meanwhile throngs enter from the other side of the fence daily to do the jobs that our own citizens deem too hard or menial to bother with, for low pay, contributing millions to the Social Security system with no hope of ever collecting. An insignificant few end up on welfare - healthcare - and even free college. Time to reinstate our guest worker program with Mexico once and for all

Fixed it for you.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 8, 2014 - 06:10am PT
Watch the video of the sh#t-bag's release very carefully.

He was weeping at losing his buddies. Watch him wipe away tears, and watch his mouth as he weeps.

THEN! One of the dudes, his "captors", comes over and pats him on the chest to comfort him.

Impeach Obama. He violated Federal Law that HE SIGNED.



I'm still not convinced the bluering character isn't a brilliant, ongoing satire.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 8, 2014 - 06:45am PT
Ricky penned:
"I'm still not convinced the bluering character isn't a brilliant, ongoing satire."

That's hilarious Ricky! I think back to all jeff Battens extensive trolls and recall how worked up he'd get folks. Nice post of Brooks article Ken M. At the end of the day, we still have to figure out how to end this bullsh#t, and anyone interested, especially Ron A, Bluering, Chief and you dudes all pissed at the current President: you folks should pick up a copy of the book "Ghost Wars" which details our lavish and expensive funding of the Taliban via the Pakis. Thats right, we sent billions of dollars to the wrong folks, and kept doing it long after we learned that Masoud was the guy we should have been funding. Right when we figured it out the Taliban blew him up. You'll be pissed at a President, but not this one.

Seriously, rather than whining about one man, PFC Bergbyebye, read this work, and consider the waste and mistakes on a huge scale.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 8, 2014 - 06:55am PT
This book won the Pulitzer Prize and should be mandatory reading for any citizen, but especially those posting opinions on this thread. "Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001"

Great read,check it out. Click on "used" and you can get it for .01/cent plus $3.99 shipping. Sure, the Bergdahl trade was stupid, and bad. But very minor, like a pimple on your ass that soon goes away. If nothing else, reading this book will make you reconsider whom you should be directing your anger too. Hint, it's not Obama.


http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Wars-Afghanistan-Invasion-September/dp/0143034669/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1402235535&sr=8-8&keywords=Ghost+warriors

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:16am PT



Even with absolute proof most will not change their minds...

Especially when it comes to Obama...

Don't forget, he's "Black"...

So for so many, it simply doesn't matter what proof you have...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:22am PT
WHEN,, not IF,, those released talibaners kill more americans, ill remind you of that post Locker.

Meanwhile a GOOD marine sets in a mexico jail for NO valid reason. Where is the outrage on that? Where is obubmly on that?

and at Couch, there are about an easy hundred other reasons why i dislike obumbly. But i see you full endorse the breaking of laws. Gonna go rob a bank today are ya? Why not,, laws dont really apply right.? Just come up with a convenient excuse and see how that works for YOU.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:25am PT
Why did fox news travel all the way to Mexico to find and unjustly imprisoned American?

We have thousands of em right here.
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