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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
Full disclosure. I'm a Dem and voted for Obama both times. He just sucks and is an epic con-man.

well, I am a registered Republican and I voted for President Obama both times

I think he is doing a superb job as President, particularly so with Foreign Policy and
turning around the economy from the complete devastation and Recession that was caused directly from the abject neglect and failure to regulate derivatives on the last Republican Administration

I particularly like "Obamacare" in that is allows people to shop for health insurance across state lines, mandates refunding (over $4billion so far) money directly back to people who pay their premiums if not spent on healthcare, insures many millions of Americans who in the past would just keep going to the emergency rooms and having the hospitals bill us, the tax payers for their care. In fact, after reading all 2700 pages of the ACA, I like it!

I am on the verge of leaving the Republican party for good.

They simply have no solutions to any problems anymore, yet sit in the bleachers and do nothing but throw rocks like children.
PotatoHead

Trad climber
Nunya,ID
Jun 6, 2014 - 06:59pm PT
Wow, I don't know what any of that means but it was fun reading. Lay off the caffeine, Spud! And the weed, tone it down a bit, too.

I prolly don't either..lol. I used to live in Boulder, I was projecting. Regardless of this stupid thread, I'm a fan of yours.

No caffine. Weed maybe? Mojito's YES

Cheers!
PotatoHead

Trad climber
Nunya,ID
Jun 6, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
Good points Norton.

Although, I don't think he's superb. My opinion is he's detached(from Congress) and not much of a 'leader'. He could do alot more domestically. I know lots of great people who are Rep's and of the same opinion as you. Unfortunately, the Rep party at a gov't level is mired with crazy people. I think the whole "Rep people are evil" is pretty shortsighted...and rampant on this site.
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
Obama could drop nukes on innocents and Crankster-Fluffy would back him 110%.

The percent scale only goes to 100. Unless you're a character from Spinal Tap and your guitar also goes to 11. In that case, rock on!
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
Well said, Norton.

From the Rude Pundit...

1. "Were we supposed to just leave him there, even with a deal on the table? That's the not-so-subtle implication from so many of the Bergdahl truthers, who believe he deserted and may have worked with his captors. The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol said, "It's one thing to trade terrorists for a real POW, someone who was taken on the battlefield fighting honorably for our country. It's another thing to trade away 5 high-ranking terrorists to someone who walked away." Considering Kristol's record for being wrong about every f*#king thing, it more than likely means that Bergdahl ought to be awarded a medal for bravery.

2. Isn't Bergdahl entitled to a trial for any charges of desertion or collaboration? Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey said of the allegations against Bergdahl, "Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty," but, he asserted, "the questions about this particular soldierís conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity." Yes, it would have been easier just to drone murder the sh#t out of Bergdahl, but, hey, he's white, and so far that has been a decent way to avoid missile death. But Bergdahl can still be courtmartialed. You need look no further than another shitty war for proof: Marine Pfc. Robert Garwood was held in Vietnam until 1979. When he was released, he was charged with desertion and aiding the enemy, and he was convicted, despite an insanity plea. (Side note: Garwood's guilt being questioned by a TV-movie caused a certain senator from Arizona to go apeshit on the Senate floor in 1993.)

3. So if we left Bergdahl in Afghanistan because some people are absolutely convinced of his guilt, doesn't that mean he's being sentenced without trial? The Rude Pundit can't figure out this mania on the right to convict people without ever even charging them with a crime. Leaving Bergdahl behind would have set the precedent that we judge, without knowing the truth, who is worthy of being released. How reassuring that would be to soldiers.

4. Isn't it a huge bowlful of hypocrisy stew for Republicans to become whiny titty babies over President Obama finessing the law when the Bush administration f*#king redefined things like "torture" and "duties as commander-in-chief" to get around niceties like congressional approval and oversight? Breitbart.com has gone full nutzoid on the Bergdahl release, questioning Obama's actions, quoting Queen Dink herself, Sarah Palin, on the matter.

5. And what's with the Wag-the-Dog sh#t about the VA scandal? This is another game the right plays with Democratic presidents: every action is done only to distract from what they see as worse sh#t. Clinton bombed a place where he thought Osama bin Laden was. The GOP said it was just meant to distract from the Blow Job That Coated the World. Now, Obama is supposed to have started a whole new controversy to divert attention from the problems at the VA. Obviously, Republicans are used to leaders who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Or, you know, watch TV and eat a pretzel.

At some point, doesn't it get exhausting, Republicans? Doesn't it get tiresome to have to attack everything, no matter how seemingly goddamn positive? Is there nothing you have to talk about that isn't merely saying "No" to every "Yes"? Are you that devoid of purpose? Because that'd be some hang-yourself-existential-crisis sh#t right there. By all means, go ahead and here's a rope."
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
The guys that were there speak

crankster

Trad climber
Jun 6, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
Too funny, Hey.. Nice shoes, Meg's ^^^ what's with all the blondes on Fox? Who's the Taliban dude next to her?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you make ten a little louder, make that the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pauses] These go to eleven.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jun 6, 2014 - 10:50pm PT
At some point, doesn't it get exhausting, Republicans? Doesn't it get tiresome to have to attack everything

Have you listened to yourself lately
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 7, 2014 - 04:28am PT
Obama could drop nukes on innocents and Crankster-Fluffy would back him 110%.

They would back him eleventy leven %!

Super D DOOPER! Percent.

10 percent past absolutely full, man! THAT'S A LOT!!! %.

They ALWAYS back their man.... AND THEN SOME! er, percent. That is.

DMT
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:28am PT
Have you listened to yourself lately

Right wing extremists are pulling the Republican Party to the far right.
They want their ultra conservative views to be the new normal.
Any cooperation is seen as defeat. Any moderation an outrage.
They are ruining the country.
It's important to push back at every opportunity.
I won't be bullied.
I repeat, they are ruining the country.
Don't you care?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:29am PT
so i see from this am news report one of the five has already pledged to kill more americans now that he is free. Oh what a surprise,,NOT.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:33am PT
Why do you hate America, Ron?
Why do you hate our military?

Angry, old, white men.
Thank god for the aging process.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:34am PT
with age comes wisdom.. You must be twenty something..And im 100% behind the five guys in that vid just upthread.. Always have been.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:41am PT
Why don't you use your stated wisdom to seek out opinions other than from right wing news sites? A steady diet of breitbart doesn't make you sound smart. You just repeat talking points provided by organizations with ultra conservative political agendas. Doesn't matter what the issue is, take the opposite side of the prez and shout as loud as you can.

Your life is not better than it was in '09?
The economy was in total collapse.
You have your guns? You have your ammo? All you want and need.
The NRA has lied to you.
Do you really care about Susan Rice's talking points?
Doesn't that seem weird to you, like maybe you're being manipulated?
Do you have a son?
Would you promise to not shave until he was returned?
Where is your humanity?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Look here cranky,, when bush jr lied to us and started the iraq war, i was aghast- wondering why the F we were there and not in Saudi Arabia. Where MOST of the highjackers were from. I look at evidence no matter where it comes from. And this latest administration will go down in history as one of the most lying and corrupt of them all.

Why do you choose to ignore fast and furious, IRS, Benghazi, Greece, Syria,,etc etc, and a host of cabinet members that have been forced to suddenly retire INCLUDING billary.

Who do you choose to ignore our nations leaders openly lying to YOUR FACE on natl TV.

Then why do you hate GOOD military members in that vid above who all agree that begdahl is a deserter deserving of a court martial?
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:56am PT
Did you ever wake up and think to yourself hey maybe today will be about something else besides angry rants on ST?

No?

That's sad man. So this is how it ends for Ron.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 7, 2014 - 07:59am PT
Well, I think that the biggest problem we have is that the system itself, if we have a dominant branch, simply begins to shut down in terms of the safeguards. People donít seem to understand that the separation of powers is not about the power of these branches, itís there to protect individual liberty, itís there to protect us from the concentration of power. Thatís what is occurring here. You know, Iíve said it before, Barack Obama is really the president Richard Nixon always wanted to be. You know, heís been allowed to act unilaterally in a way that weíve fought for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley

crankster

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 08:00am PT
You're hopeless, Ron. You're plugged into the lunatic fringe.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 7, 2014 - 08:02am PT
Mt Everst of irony alert there fluffster.

Why would you come on here every day to bag on someone else eh? Sad man indeed. Do you know what your avatar means in the porn business?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 7, 2014 - 08:05am PT
When one party has as it's goal complete blocking of the other party and uses as a tactic blocking anything the presidency tries to do then the presidency will push back and test the bounds of executive authority.. It has too... to do ANYTHING. The president would be a fool too ask congresses permission for anything it felt it might be able to do without it.

Once again the cost of the republicans use of the ancient evil strategy of break it, then say..look it's broken and only we can fix it.
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