Those f*#king ass eaters are about to get the full brunt of my pent up chukar anger. I just love that its rained and its going to make for some hard hunting as the birds have plenty of water now and no need to go to a main source. I look forward to the long walk.
Plug out? Check
2 spare tires? Check
Bacon and Smoke Gouda for chukar wrapped in Bacon? Check
Probably a foot of snow at the most on top of Mt. Rose hwy this morning.
So question for you all out there. As I understand it a glacier is a mass of snow and ice that starts when a large amount of snow and ice does not melt from the previous winter. This is the first year I can remember that the snow did not melt completly off of Mt. Rose. I know as well many other areas in the Sierra it did not melt as well.
So are we starting a new Ice Age here. Many science people say the sun has the least amount of sun spots in the last few years sice the mid 1800's. They say the last time this happend a small ice age happend. Anyone think the huge earth quakes over the last few years have change our axis or created a small wobble that has resulted in what I consider two of the biggest winters I have seen in this area. It snowed this week 4 months after our last snow. 8 months of winter is not something I find appealing.
8 months of winter is not something I find appealing
forecast 80 in Bishop, 95 in Riverside, 89 in San Jose, 83 at Castle Rock by next Wednesday. I'm worried more about Santa Anas and a hot end of October. At least my firewood will get a chance to dry out.
What looks like the last band of precip is passing through the bay area as I type. Coming down pretty heavy at the moment.
Silver, I'm no expert but a few friends and I have been talking about that. Many of the Sierra glaciers/semi-permanent snowfields have made it through the summer relatively intact. With the new snow arriving on top of what's left, they should be even beefier next year. Neat. I don't think I'd call it an Ice Age yet, but a nice couple of years without drought.
I have a BS in Geography and some twenty years out of school I can remember small bits and pieces of classes that we discussed this stuff. I think we are on the front edge of a climate change here. Will it last? Who knows, but my passion for geography and weather have me thinking this may be a change we as people living in this area of the world have never seen or expected to happen. I have lived in this area 40 years plus and I can recall almost every major winter from 71 to present. This summer was by far the most moderate summer I have ever had in Reno/Tahoe. I can not tell you a single day of 100 degree weather and as far as 90 degree days we had plenty but they seemed come later and we had more low 90's than high 90's it seemed.
I suppose I could go and do the history for the last 4 months and over 10 years but I am just happy to see water in our lakes and a river flowing through our town.
Funny side note our local water authority is thinking of raising rates because we did not use enough water this summer and they did not make enough money. How wack is that?
I recall 4-6 years like this, where snowfields lingered into the beginning of the next winter. Including '69, just before your first obs in '71. None of them lasted more than 2-3 years. Used to be pretty tuned into that from living up in the Palisades every summer.
I too am a bit surprised that it snowed so much so early this fall, after snowing so much so late last spring. I just read prediction of a second La Nina season, though probably not as big as last year.
Doug thanks for the FYI. I'm not as old as some of you only being in my mid 40's but weather has always been a passion of mine. I wrote the weather history for Tonopah Nevada for the state climate office. My grand mother was from Tonopah so it was fun for me to collect the data for all the years and see what she lived through in those days.
I know I promised you a Summit with you in it and I apologize. The great flood of my basement destroyed my collection and your issue was not spared. Sorry for not getting it out to you when I had the chance.
Some dude from JPL predicted a La Nina for last winter, and LA got about 20" of rain for the season(above normal). they interviewed him again tonight, and he said the same thing about the coming winter. we shall see.
I also have a degree in geography. I remember one of my profs saying that you can't predict weather accurately for more than three days.
i did a quick run up 108 this weekend, and the aspens didnt do much of a show. presumably it was the early wet/heavy snow.
but it's ok, because we had an absolutely spectacular flower/greenery/snow season thru the summer.
sorry to see my many summertime projects go back under the snow, but really sorry to see the veggies go away. cool, wet summer meant that we had a suck ass season for tomatoes and chiles. the walnut folks were sweating it, because that storm hit just about the time we needed to get walnuts in and the fields were too soft for the machines.
Saw on a jog tonight that there is ice in The Cross on Tallac. I didn't have a scope, but it looked like it would be a fun ice/mixed romp for at least two pitches. Anyone want to check it out? Tomorrow morning is probably as good as it will get (this week).
There is still a snow patch above it, that and the snow a week or two ago is what is feeding it I believe.
After a particularly chilly low of 11F, we have reached 36F this afternoon, with partly cloudy skies and off and on snow showers.
Looks like some decent snow coming in this evening...perhaps 10". Just chained up the worm, and slapped the brand new blower on that baby.....of course, that probably cursed it, and it won't snow a flake now.
Was with Flanders for a bit today....we are going to do an ice recon tomorrow. YES!!!!!!
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Freezing in Vancouver, plus we had 5 - 6 cm of wet snow last night. We're supposed to have a few cool, sunny days, then it'll warm up a bit and we'll probably get some snow before it changes to rain. A bit early for such conditions, though it's nothing unusual.
Longer range forecasts still insist we'll have a cold, snowy winter, and a friend who does that sort of modelling says they're probably right.
Yippeee! 8" of snow on the deck this morning, still coming down hard, 7-8" yesterday. I skied in a nice training track yesterday, but today there should be grooming for the youth teams over at Auburn Ski Club, time to get the nordic on! Bigger storm forecast for Thanksgiving day, so you alpine or BC folks should be getting out soon.
Would never poach, but a bottle of GUD red on the patio watching the trout rise would be cool. Love skiing or snowshoeing the Upper in the winter, when not a soul is around. Nymphing deep pools is the way to go.
Here in Kodiak, on the eastside of the Aleutian chain, I've been pinned down with weather for 5 days. Our chopper can't fly, our Pisten Bully and snowmachines can't make it the 14 miles to the emergency repair we have to do on the dam, so we're just hanging out.
Brutal day yesterday......high of 24F and howling winds. Mammoth Mountain recorded a 152 m.p.h. gust. Wind chill kept things slightly below zero.
This morning's low is 9F with bluebird skies...look out for wind coming as the day wears on though...and PROTECT YOUR SKIN!
We were without power here in June Lake yesterday for nearly 12 hours....a transformer out on Conway Summit. Had Flanders over last night for a true candelit dinner with my family.....that dude has a hard enough time seeing when the lights are on!
Local ice is REALLY forming up nicely. Edison has the flow rate on Horsetail at quite a high CFS presently, so there is some interesting build-up from the spray off to the sides of the normal ice area. I'll get some pics up here by tomorrow, as I am out the door right now to Reno for the day.
Thanks for the info Dean. I had no idea that June made snow so that is good news. Wanting so badly for decent conditions, this ski trip will be the first time ski experience for my daughter's boyfriend along with the fact that its been five years since skiing with my daughter!
Maddening, it is snowing like crazy down here but I refuse to ski locally, too many psycho snowboarders-gaper types-dangerous!
Brutal relentless Northeasterly winds here at Donner Summit, at least it keeps our 1.8 kilometer of well groomed track from melting! Heading to town to print my end-o-year pitch letters, then hitting the little track yet again...never have I gotten one patch of snow so wired!
Hey Kath, heading up to Shasta Feb. 3-5 to give skating clinics again, hope we can meet for a cuppa or some skiing! Assuming we will have snow by then!
Booked this weekend for 5 days at Sorensen's months ago.
With no bloody snow, want to do some mountaineering.
Have done Round Top west ridge, will likely do it again. Any others?
We're assuming no snow/ice so are not taking skis or technical ice tools.
Will take alpine axes and a light rope. Will probably spend one or two days cragging at Woodfords.
Any good routes in the Luther Summit/Carson Pass/Markeleeville area?
Good = interesting, summit, not too desperate.
We went up Parker Canyon scopin for ice and definitely saw pretty fat ice.I had never done the 4-byaneering approach into the canyon.Things learned:it's REALLY a four-by road and also I realized you can't wait to leave Bishop at 9am.We were way to lax.I'll know next time.Still had a fun day though.Cool canyon and no one around.
Have done Round Top west ridge, will likely do it again. Any others?
High Traverse, East Ridge of Round Top is pretty nice. A lot more interesting than west ridge (IMO). Longer scramble. Just stay on the risge crest and go up, route finding is straight forward. I did it last winter. Would probably be easier without all the snow around...
So, what's new? Coming back west after a snowless Vermont Christmas (okay, a dusting). Given the conditions, I think I'd like to spend a couple days on the eastside. Why not? If anybody wants to play for a day, let me know.
Tuolomne on the 29th - Drug Dome looked like it had thinned over the past week, 3 cars parked at the turnout. Stately Pleasure Dome offered fairly warm rock though.
Climbed Parker Canyon ice on the 30th, the hiking/climbing ratio is very high on that one. Dry approach the whole way in. There are two distinct ice formations with a multitude of WI3-4 routes, v-thread raps.
As bergbryce reported above, a heavy rain turned to snow just after 0300.
Presently 28F with light winds and a light snow falling. No more than 1/2 and inch on the ground.
Yeah Silver, good advice on the road sitch. Thankfully, I was in Reno on Wednesday getting new shoes put on the truck...I'm ready.
Unfortunately, the cold that I picked up on Christmas Eve has never left me, and came roaring back this week in a big way....I feel like death warmed over. If this gets to plowing depth today, it's gonna be a miserable shift. :(
But......we sure are thankful for the white stuff!!!!!!!!!!!
snowing lightly here in Hilton crk , a angry couple of inchs so far, after copoious amounts of rain last night. I'll bet the upper elevations got hammered. Those north facing exposures with bullet-proof old snow and a few feet of the wet/heavy......hmmmmmmm.......
Really BRUTAL day here today.....very high winds and blowing snow all day. Thankfully, I was working indoors in Mammoth today. Really coming down when I left there at 4:30 this afternoon.....about 4" on the ground and coming down HEAVY.
Silver, that forecast of FEET sounds rather far-fetched.
Presently 28F with winds sustained at 30mph, with gusts above 50mph and light to moderate snow.
Survived last night's wind storm without any trees blowing down. Lots of storm debris to clean up. 50,000 people in S. Idaho lost their electricity during the storm.
The photo was taken looking NW last evening through heavy smoke and dust from constant 20-30mph winds with gusts up to 59 mph. We had packed up some essentials and were ready to flee the expected firestorm.
After dark, when we couldn't see flames on our horizon, we calmed down-----quite a bit.
So, the heavy, dark overcast of this morning burned off to reveal bluebird skies.....but now, the serious, low, swirling clouds are beginning to boil.....I predict about 2 p.m. it will start to go big.....
EDIT: Wind is freshening considerably...this is gonna be fun, unless you are up high somewhere....
Last night about 9 p.m., the sky finally opened up.....BIG! Incredible lightning and thunder, then downpour!!!! Lasted for over 2 hours here....with the power going out at about 10:30...didn't come back on til well after midnight.
Also knocked out cable, internet and cell service. Internet and cable JUST came back on 10 minutes ago....cell service is still down.
We got at least an inch of rain last night...quite the gully washer...but lightning was off the hook. Two real close calls to the house here....ground strikes within a few hundred yards....shook the place big time, and scared the living crap out of Cush.
We were over in Markleeville that night...also got a pretty good lightning and thunder show, with rain to boot - fortunately after dinner so we could all dive for our tents. The morning mist was something, I shot this photo of the meadow after it had lifted some. When I first poked my head outside of our tent I thought we had been transported to the inside of a cloud!
We just had a nice little shower but no boom boom or twinkle...This reminds me of living in Northern Idaho and power outages..The energy suppliers would pinpoint the outage via phone calls from its' customers...
Any sense of how these patterns are playing out in the Meadows? We drove through there on Sunday night in a steady drizzle. Today, altitude acclimation hike up to the base of the North Ridge of Conness - and it started dumping at noon. Hiked out in fairly heavy rain.
Hubby and I are so keen to finally do Tenaya Peak on this trip. Are we gunna die?
Backup plan is Clark Canyon - is it drier there?
Funny how localized the cells are - we climbed in Mammoth all morning and then stayed for lunch. Really only a light sprinkle there from 2 - 4. But when we got back to Lee Vining a lady was telling me it was bad at June Lake. BTW, we saw the aftermath of a horrible car accident between the rest stop and the June Lake turnoff. i hope they lived - the car was horrible.
No one on Earth has EVER accurately predicted ANY weather months in advance.
EVER. Nor will they, anytime soon.
Surprised there are Thunderstorms? Uh, no, not really.
It's the Season.
I'm not doggin' you Dean, I dig you. That FACTS remain.
When I was in graduate school I took at climatology class. The professor was very well know and he was challenged to a daily weather prediction contest by one of the other graduate students.
This was in the late 70's so their was not nearly as much satellite and other technology/data as there is today. The graduate student spent hours each day and studied all the numbers and made his daily prediction. The professor simply said, "tomorrow's weather will be the same as today".
The professor won.
It would be different today, the satellite data is incredible. However, you still can't go out too far.
I've begun to cobble together this web page to have a sort of 'mountain WX at a glance'. Please bear in mind the whole website is under construction, yet if you know of other webcams on the east side (or other mountain related cams) I'd be grateful to know of them.
Chief, that is one of my favorite views. You are very blessed to have it. I love where I live, in Wawona, but I also love that long distance view one can get on the east side. There is just something very special about it.
not gonna run away to nice weather, no siree. no jt for me
seeing what this set of storms can offer this week over there
hoping for snow, not rain
maybe sneak in a boulder climb or two and bother chin for a chalk bag
Going in there this weekend and will post up some pics.
I'd guess this weekend is going to be RIPE avalanche conditions.
Current Tioga Pass forecast for Friday.
Snow. Temperature falling to around 25 by 9am. Very windy, with a southwest wind 45 to 55 mph, with gusts as high as 80 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 5 to 9 inches possible.
Snow on top of water ice. Wind loaded slabs.
Snow showers. High near 36. Very windy, with a southwest wind around 45 mph, with gusts as high as 65 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.
Snow. Low around 36. Very windy, with a west southwest wind around 45 mph, with gusts as high as 65 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 7 to 11 inches possible.
Warming with more storm force winds and heavy snow.
Dean, you're getting the front that came through the Santa Cruz mtns the past 24 hours. I got 3" of rain and plenty of gale force winds.
Oh......and it's a Very Warm Storm....last night was 54 degrees here at 2850 feet.....usually about 45 in a winter storm.
WILL RISE ABOVE 8000 FEET SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND MAY RISE TO NEAR
10000 FEET SATURDAY NIGHT AND EARLY SUNDAY...BEFORE A COLD FRONT
PASSES THROUGH THE SIERRA AND WESTERN NEVADA SUNDAY. SNOW LEVELS
WILL FALL TO 6000 TO 7000 FEET BEHIND THE FRONT AND QUICKLY END
THE FLOOD THREAT ALONG SMALL CREEKS AND STREAMS.
AREAS AT GREATEST RISK FOR FLOODING ARE SMALL CREEKS AND STREAMS
ALONG AND WEST OF HIGHWAY 395 FROM LASSEN COUNTY SOUTH THROUGH
THE RENO...TAHOE...CARSON CITY AREA AND INTO NORTHERN MONO
COUNTY. MUD AND ROCK SLIDES ARE POSSIBLE IN AREAS OF STEEP
TERRAIN AND NEAR RECENT WILDFIRE BURN AREAS.
I was gonna post this in the "When people quote wind speeds" thread but since you mentioned wind. Yesterday morning I went to get some fishing in at Pleasant Valley Reservoir. It was a little windy when I got there but not that bad. Within about an hour all hell broke loose. I was getting tuft in my teeth it was so windy. Crazy thing is the fishing was really good so I stuck it out for about two hours. On my way back up the bank I got hit by a gust that quite literally knocked my on my ass. First time I've ever been blown off my feet by wind. Now I don't wanna quote wind speed here and get people all in a huff but I'm betting over 60MPH to do that.
I'm a 155lbs and was turned sideways into the wind when that gust blew me down. Maybe we can get RGOLD to do the physics on it. I'm sure it has something to do with f=mXa and coefficient of friction and all sorts of other crap I don't understand. lol All I can say for sure is it was pretty amazing to witness.
Cragman, I don't know exactly why, but the current storm's entries in this thread bring to mind your classic post of the epic on the Walker River and the angels from Fallon NAS. (Was it Hells Gate or?) One of the most riveting and detail rich "trip" reports to ever show up here.
Absolutely INSANE wind here on the east side....not sure the rain is even hitting the ground!!!!!
EDIT: David Plotnikoff..you are referring to my report regarding the flood of January 2, 1997, the rescue attempt of 2 people trapped by the flooded Walker River at Mountain Gate Lodge, just north of Devil's Gate, here in Mono County.
Thanks for the compliments on my report....Closest I've ever come to death.
Wow it was insane here in the west side of town. We just moved to the Caughlin Ranch area and I for the life of me can't figure out why anyone would live here now that I live here.
Twice this week the house was basically blasted by 50 to 80 mph winds with gust I'm sure near 90 plus. I sleep like the dead but was up all night after the first blast hit the house at 11 pm last night.
It finally slowed around 4 am to a steady 30 and still having gusts to 50 I suspect.
Dean that was and is a great report. But it's not the closest you have been to dying. Those happen and you don't even know it so add 5 more to your list you never knew that happened and you lived.
Hope all are well we will go see the flood today and how many bad ass kyakers there really are in our town.
Still OK in Bishop.Just spoke with my buddy workin' in the Village and he says it's so bad there that direct TV is down and they can't even watch football.Dead calm in Bishop with a little sun even.Did lose a couple shingles due to wind on friday night though.Guess I better get out before it hits.Good luck and be safe all.
A steady, mostly lighter snow has been falling all day. Starting to get heavier now in intensity....very fluffy stuff! Presently 31F and falling, with light winds. Only about 2 inches of snow here though.
There were 3 lines led (1 by me) on Chouinard falls. Protection was good. Left side was very thin and not formed for the most part. Bottom part of the main wall was not thick enough to be climbed (by me at least). Approach was not as bad as I thought it would be. Not a snow trail, but doable for those who want to play on some early ice. Took us about 45 mins or so without hauling ass.
10b4me....I'd be happy to do that.....but with all this snow, the ice will be buried.
I just finished my second lap of all my accounts...ended up in the loader for 10 hours.....good day! Picked up an extra C note for hauling a woman's car back onto the road....and she was gorgeous to boot!!! :)
Quite an amazing storm......finally backed off a few hours ago....until the next round. All in, nearly two feet today.
Pete, most of my skiing adventures on Mammoth Mountain are in the dark, in a white out, out of bounds, navigating by compass and GPS, looking for lost skiers and snowboarders.....and these stories are nearly too numerous to count.
I'll send you my mailing address for the books...thanks.
Hey Crag,actually I'm thinkin' this storm/cold front is perfect.Haven't skied bc down here for a couple years.Good for that.Buddy and I are gonna look around here for ice.Definitely been cold enough down here.I'll always be lurkin' around there as well.Thanks for the report. :-)
Thee Bishop snow plow just came down my street.Doesn't happen too often.We got about 3".Was gonna go scope some Bishop creek ice potential,but with current avy conditions and new snow it doesn't look wise.Rock is a definite no go as well.Looks like full conditions fly-fishing it is then.Not too bummed ;-) .Only five days left on this license,better use 'em up!!
-5 deg F in Hilton crk this am ..... looks like another day enjoying the fluff edit : still -4 at 9;00am heard about a post control release on mmsa, still sticking to protected tree slopes.......just sayin'
Hey cragman, any info on hiking June now that it is closed? wondered if they are stopping /hasseling folks for hiking , I know Carson (on the face) could have some substantial avi danger. Are they controlling the face even though it is closed? Thanks for any info...... Howard sez maybe some lake-effect .... oh yea
It sucks here even more! Big snows with big xmas and new years crowds. F-ing barneys everywhere, cant even get gas or go to the grocery without several hours disappearing.....one more day and skipping town! Bring the ice and bring owens.
Anyone gotten a visual on owens amongst all this pukery? I figure temps are low but wondered what the precip did.
Cold here in Paradise too. A couple of inches on the ground. Snow in gorge too, trail broke on Thursday. Snow pretty much all the way down to Lone Pine but thinning quickly on sunny exposures, but today aint' sunny down here...yet.
that happened to me last night Ron. Snowing with no radar return. There are lots of variables with radar. Where it is.. how sensitive it is. Its a conspiracy to make you think the sun is shining. Try this one.. use the arrows to move the screen to where you are. Its government though, so it will probably hide the chemtrails. haha
It is cold out there! They don't call this place Fridgeport for nothing, it is -9 degrees F at 10 am this morning, with a forecast high of 12. We need some more storms to blow out this inversion. The low last night was around -15.
Hey Crag,what's goin' on up there this morning?Is it snowin' yet? Blowin'? Fifteen years living here and I've never climbed Horsetail.Partner and I are tossin' the idea around.But my partner and I are lazy and cheap ;-).Don't really feel like havin' to chain up the front wheel drive(if it goes R2/3)and the four by costs a billion dollars to fuel.Don't get me wrong,we'll do either just don't really want to get up there only to discover 55mph wind.Also,football,pellet stove and beer are enough incentive to keep us home :-).Just wondering what yer seeing.Thanx.
I thought the skinny was no skiing at June, something about liability or something. Is the mountain open (in the sense of not being patrolled for trespassing, not in the sense that they condone it) for those of us willing to hike/skin up?