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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 17, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Ron, I must say that I am very impressed with your skills. You obviously are a meticulous artisan.

I'm not been particularly interested in specimens I've seen in the past, but I realize that I've mainly seen poorly done work.

Through this thread, I've gained an appreciation for the various steps involved, all of which are artistic in nature.

You haven't talked about it a lot, but you must give considerable thought to the "pose" that will be involved, before you even start working. I'll bet you dream about it!

you are clearly a master of your skill.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Thanks Neebs, and Ken!


Thoughts of posing? Yes, its frequently on my mind when getting another project started. Most of the time, this is discussed with the clients as they usually have some idea or preference. Then , through a bit of transmogrification, we arrive at "the look" and pose. I have many things in my head that ive seen in flat art magazines, or nature photos , or simply ideas. These influence what i will suggest to the customer from time to time.

When mounting, the expression of the animal bird or even fish must match the action or nuance of the pose. For instance, the african lion being posed in a calm regal fashion, had to have the eye set a bit "lazy" or heavy lids to the top of the eyes to achieve a "quiet confidence" sort of mood.. Even ear pose in animals reflects their mood.

On the bobkitty, her ears are forward and somewhat alert- as she will be looking at a mouse held down by the tail from her front right paw, and the eyes are focused on that exact spot. So Yes, all these things are factored in for each type of pose.

This all involves a never ending study of reference, and using such as you mount. Its nearly impossible to memorize every look of every critter- so you always refresh your mind by viewing some reference. ALL manikins that are made commercially have flaws, miss shape from hot removals out of forms., and symmetry problems as well as lacking in many facial features.
It is through reference that we know how to adjust these manikins for each specimen. One size never fits all, as animals ,, each and every, are unique to themselves,, just like US.. In addition, makers of these manikins tend to over build all the muscle structures which looks cool on the manikin, yet arent even close to what was skinned, so carcass references and anatomical studies have to be another ingredient. The work you see that "just doesnt look good, or right", is often mounted on these manikins as is, with out the extra effort to properly size, and just and add with clays and other techniques because they fear clay work and make it much harder than it really is.

So Yes Ken, theres much thought about it,, but after forty some years doing it, i thankfully no longer dream about such things. Instead i just loose sleep thinking on them lol!


Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Then,, we think on the HABITAT..This is the number one area of weakness for many taxidermists. Things like odd tight wads of artificial grass poking magically out of solid rock etc are common place.

There are many things that are considered in GOOD habitats. Some can be art, and interpretive, while others attempt to artistically mimic nature in exactness. Floral composition rules were brought to the industry be a friend and fellow taxidermist, Stephan Savides. A composition genius. Heaven , man , and earth philosophies, off centered subjects,,positive an negative space, color co-ordination, odd numbers are just some of the aspects of well done habitats. I once did a small bufflehead drake piece- he was standing on snow covered ice at the edge of water, and i mixed the resin hot to kick off more quickly, the spent an hour or two total, with an airbrush brushing in realistic wave and wind pattern in the water, including the round reaction ripples from a small round rock poking through the surface. So you have to be a nature observer of the flora and dirt as well. When you have a well done specimen on equally done habitat, it speaks for itself.
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 17, 2013 - 03:56pm PT


"When mounting, the expression of the animal bird or even fish must match the action"...



I'm SURE it does...

LOL!!!...

;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Credit: Ron Anderson


Garfield in all his fatness and glory..
Garfield in all his fatness and glory..
Credit: Ron Anderson



Then you get a "pet" project...These ARE the most pressured situation a taxidermist can ask for. The people being intimately familiar with their departed pets. each one ive ever done was easily the most worrisome. They all come with many pictures for reference and they always want a very specific pose, EXACTLY DUPLICATED, nary a whisker out of place.

NO PRESSURE THERE EH! Most taxidermists wont even accept them, but they will send them to me. (sigh).. Yes this is a we weird - even for a long time dermist. Not because they want to have their pet mounted, but the fact it was a pet. I stress over these and so far, the reactions have been very positive.

Ol "Garfield" in the pic was one of these such projects. The manikin was carved directly from his body, then a HUGE layer of mache and clays were added to compensate for three inches of fat that was removes from the skin- 3 inches!!! every where.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Hey,, if you guys see a taxidermy mounts for sale banner after clicking on this,, take a LOOK at those ROFLMAO!!!


And they actually want money for them !!
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 17, 2013 - 04:03pm PT


You have an ODD job...

...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 17, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
An odd job done with great skill. Beautiful artwork!
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 17, 2013 - 04:08pm PT


Marlow...

I could not agree more...

Ron for sure knows how to stuff 'em GUD!!!...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
yeah,, im odd. I like to stuff stuff. If i ever figure out the breath thing,, ill have arrived!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Feb 17, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
So Ron, can humans be stuffed?
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 17, 2013 - 04:23pm PT


"yeah,, im odd"...

Runs in the family...

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Cosmic,,,Some what YES. As upthread the cadaver exhibits and such.. The main problem is LEGALITIES there ! Ive had many a hunter ask about their spouses both male and female lol!

The nature of human skin is best reproduced in plastic. Ive done a few human parts, like a hunters arm in a 19' crocs mouth- this actually happened in Africa- they got his arm back, and was re-attached. But he wanted it mounted with his arm as he bit it off. So i cast a similar size taxidermists arm first in alginate, then poured a two part plastic in it.. The finish and painting of humans is extremely difficult. There are many colors in just a hand,, like greens, blues, fleshes of varying depth, near white, off yellows etc etc.. COMPLEX we are!


edit: BAHAHA GUD one locker..!
Michelle Gill

climber
Redding, CA
Feb 17, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
Wow Ron!! You do amazing work. Truly an artist!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 17, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
Ron...Have you seen Locker's GF Annie...? I heard he's been practicing the art of stuffing on her...?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 17, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Absolutely fascinating! I have a brother in law who is a major big game hunter including hunting safaris all over Africa and the Far East. He has 100s of things mounted, and many "skulls" mounted. When at his home I always feel sorry for the animals that are stuck in the garage or other out of the way areas of his house....but he has so many they couldn't be put into the main living areas. He actually had a story for each one. Hard to believe he can recall each kill. One thing, well 4 actually, we never talk about is some elephant leg stools he has.

Thanks for the info...learned a lot!

Susan
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Thanks folks!

And RJ is that Annie "O" by chance?


And Susan, yes there are some very large collections out there- museums in their own right!

There is a trophy rook built by a very rich person in MI, that we worked on we=hen i was at Animal artistry. It was thousand of square feet and contained different rooms if you will that the habitat changed from say Africa to the polar regions, to the mountains of N America. Complete with fiber optics stars of actual constellations and such , pressure pads in the floors that brought up different sounds or tribal music in Africa, automatic camp fires that would ignite etc etc,, amongst about two hundred specimens. There were baboons setting on the thatch roofed bar of the african section, crow circling a grizzly and his caribou kill and the like. His office was a secret panel door way into the inside of a large rock mountain with wild sheep displayed on it. A wildlife Disneyland..
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Feb 17, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Ron, but what would you do with this specimen?

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Missing photo ID#255567
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
tie his arms off for a belay anchor?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 17, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
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