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neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 25, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
hey there say, Gnome ofthe diabase, ... thank you so much...

am starting to make more time, finally, again for the ol' taco...
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 28, 2014 - 09:50am PT
First time I climbed Siwash, March or April of 92 or 93, we took a raft because the tide was high. On the decent of the rock someone kicked off a loose block from right near the fixed pin. The block bounced, hit our raft, and knocked it out to sea. Danny C saved our bacon with an impromptu polar bear swim out to get the raft.

Midnight fun!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Sep 29, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Yesterday was awesome wx.

Went to Lions Bay to visit my mum and unexpectedly saw Alex R and two buddies who had flown off the W Lion. Alex had a 1 hr flight which included a thermal above Mt. Brunswick.

I got a swim in the sea !
Shark moving in on UBC student. Hee hee hee....
Shark moving in on UBC student. Hee hee hee....
Credit: Tami
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 29, 2014 - 11:34am PT
Siwash?
Is that politically correct to use anymore?
I looked it up online and it's considered a derogatory adjective, not unlike Squaw.

What people consider derogatory changes over time, but it just meant "man" in Chinook jargon, same with Klooch or Kloochman meaning woman...

Or consider the terminology shift, where to avoid calling slow kids idiots or dumb, the phrase "retarded development" was introduced as a politically correct, inoffensive replacement term. Didn't take long before retard and retarded were considered pejorative.

BJ

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
Or consider the terminology shift, where to avoid calling slow kids idiots or dumb, the phrase "retarded development" was introduced as a politically correct, inoffensive replacement term. Didn't take long before retard and retarded were considered pejorative.
That's dumb
MH2

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
Good to see Donini getting some sun up here.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Sep 29, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
Hey Chief - I think it's about intention.

I'd have cracked up had I been in your place and that Salish fella had said that. Because I think his intention was to mess with you. But what if he had said "black man" or ( the Chinook jargon ) "klale siwash" or , the "n" word.

I don't see the use of Siwash as pejorative so much as otherwise uninformed. Remember the story of that big hunk of stone is that it was an angler who was turned to stone. "Siwash", as noted, does have a negative connotation to it - or had - now, I daresay, understanding of that word has diminished to the point of near irrelevance but for a few - yes important- but few people.

I don't think we should ever stop challenging our use of words. Recognizing the changes in meaning both positive and negative is a good thing.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Sep 29, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
I would hate to have my grand niece suffer the opinions of hardcore elders. That's because it's her's and the other youth's world, next.

Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 29, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
Does this response suggest we shouldn't question or abandon outdated or inappropriate choice of language?

No, but we should consider where words come from and where they are going, instead of just thinking about what meaning they might have today.

Personally I see special going the same way as retarded has, to the point where I wonder if in 5 years or so the Special Olympics will have to change their name because it will have become a slur.
BJ

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
That Church Lady bitch

BJ

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
THIS SONG IS REALLY SPECIAL

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Sep 29, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
BJ is presenting something that's hard to swallow...

YeeHaw !
BJ

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
//BJ is presenting something that's hard to swallow...

YeeHaw !//

Truck yea!
hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
Sep 29, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
Well, shame on me. I never thought about what Siwash meant. I would have guessed that it was the name of a local band or family group.....

Anyhow, to lighten things up a little here are some shots of climbers on SR. This is not really off topic as SR [when still legal] and Murrin were our poorman's answer to the Bluffs etc. You guys today are sooooo lucky.

Un Poseur
Credit: hamie's files


Find the belayer..
Credit: hamie's files

I think that it's Bruce McKnight belaying.

Now find that belayer.....
Credit: hamie's files
Lots of cheap real estate and empty lots across the water. If only.................
MH2

climber
Sep 29, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
Vavaaah.....Boom!
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Sep 29, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
Nice set of photos of the rock.

By the way, the original name for the feature is Lhilhx7elsh.

The SR name dates back at least to the 1860s and was popularized by Pauline Johnson in "Legends of Vancouver" (1911 or so). The name "Siwash Rock" was officially adopted in 1937. Here's what the geographic names database has to say about Lhilhx7elsh:

Lhilhx7elsh (Siwash Rock) is named after an expectant father who was purifying himself in preparation for the birth of his child. As he swam in the waters close to shore the Xays (Transformer Brothers) approached by canoe but were unable to break the mans intense meditative state. After Xays learned of the mans intentions they commended his commitment to his family by immortalizing him as a stone figure. His wife S7ens and child were also transformed to stone and stand today beneath the Lions Gate Bridge in the First Narrows of Burrard Inlet. These figures exemplify the importance of family. (Source: December 2011 from: Cultural Journey Sea-to-Sky Corridor website, Squamish and Lil'wat First Nations

I would have verified this by checking he relevant First Nations web page, but it is down right now, so this will have to do.

Hamie, thanks for looking for the ski ascent photos....

Glenn
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Sep 30, 2014 - 07:32am PT
bump
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Sep 30, 2014 - 08:01am PT
Glenn, my copy of the St:l-Coast Salish Historical Atlas shows the name of SR being Stxiels, Man Rock, name literally means "standing up".
hamie

Social climber
Thekoots
Sep 30, 2014 - 09:12am PT
Glenn
Great legend, thanks.

Gnome
Please delete your silly post. PM sent.
Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Sep 30, 2014 - 09:13am PT
Reel Rock tonight anyone?
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