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Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 5, 2011 - 06:27pm PT
From The Atlantic's current running WWII photogasm: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/ww2.html
specifically #3:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/world-war-ii-conflict-spreads-around-the-globe/100107/

guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Sep 5, 2011 - 07:30pm PT
I'm thinking more like Southern Algeria?
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Sep 5, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
good finder's eye on those!


granite, gotta be
Mattq331

Mountain climber
Boulder/UK
Sep 5, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
Hmmm... tough one.

So I'm guessing it's a Vickers Wellesley, possibly RAF Sqd 47, operating in either N. Kenya or Sudan during the East Africa Campaign.
Trouble is, can't place the location.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
It is a Vickers Wellesley apparently. Can't squeeze out any more internet info on it though.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2011 - 08:19pm PT
Gf, that photo is very telling for sure. A really spry looking group for sure, and not exactly looking like Americans of today. Maybe they're Brits?
llk

climber
Sep 5, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
Spry indeed, but you can spot the cigarette smokers.
Mattq331

Mountain climber
Boulder/UK
Sep 5, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
One of the guys on the left appears to be holding a lemon. I can't imagine lemons were thick on the ground in Britain during the war, or just post-war. But then that looks like a Spitfire on the RH side, so I may be wrong.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 5, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
Where? I don't know but where are the cracks? Definetly a place for slab aficionados.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2011 - 09:02pm PT
I can't help but think our very own J-Do would find something pretty disappointing about the Second Coming, don't you Pilgrims? It wasn't enough that he was BORN with Camalot Blue eyes.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 5, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
I'm way to old for a second coming but not too old for a second helping.
Morgan

Trad climber
East Coast
Sep 5, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
How about Northern Mozambique?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/5670997988_efa1e4e2b8.jpg

http://www.alardsbigwallclimbing.com/Mozambique%20Bigwall.htm
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:14am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Air_Force


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Wellesley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._47_Squadron_RAF
No. 47 Squadron RAF
Erkowit (Ar Kaweit)
Sudan
http://maps.google.com/?ll=18.346705,37.31781&spn=2.11154,2.035217&t=h&z=9&vpsrc=6


of course it could have been anywhere...

Tim Camuti

Trad climber
CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:20am PT
Ed- Thanks for that prompt. Tried looking at it with terrain layer (topo) and it is a pretty mountainous region. I love that there is stuff this grand all around the world, from my own backyard to east Africa!
Captain...or Skully

climber
or some such
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:22am PT
Awesome lookin' domes, huh?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:32am PT
This is great history. I'm thinking that some survivor must have written a book???
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:38am PT
Donini.....Did you enlist or were you drafted when Mussolini was in charge..?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 12:54am PT
Rotten...Didn't you know?? It's common knowledge. J-Do got a deferment. He had to work in the family high-end handbag factory:

Speigl

climber
Sep 6, 2011 - 12:58am PT
The rocks in this link look like the ones you're looking for:

http://www.verticalworld.co.uk/Html/ExpeditionYarns/Desert%20Towers%20in%20Sudan.htm

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:00am PT
Speigl's got it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Campaign_(World_War_II);

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassala

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Kassala,+Sudan&hl=en&ll=15.440443,36.418648&spn=0.137171,0.121021&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=56.899383,61.962891&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=13
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 01:05am PT
No Kidding!! How Cool!


google earth: 15.435896° 36.415315°

The place is thick with climbing features, jesus.


AND it has giant baboons and aggressive vultures with chicks he says. And only a few climbers before now. That TR that Speigl cites was from UK climbers!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:10am PT
Dibs on the splitter.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 01:14am PT
What Ron? you belaying Donini??
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:23am PT
http://www.nomadstravel.co.uk/sudan.html

http://www.climbing.com/exclusive/above/hot_rock_climbing_expedition_egypt_to_cape_town/

http://www.weather-forecast.com/locations/Kassala/forecasts/latest

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maykal/172147630/in/photostream/

http://greenturkey.co.nz/index.php/ali-and-his-band-of-merry-men/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFQuj2ockds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWKIbbrjNw


Speigl

climber
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:33am PT
The domes are on the Sudanese and Eritrean border; we were told that you must not descend the Eritrean side, as the slope is full of land mines.

Sounds like a great place.
ruppell

climber
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:34am PT
Where do you guys find this stuff? That place looks amazing. Put the Sudan on my list. As a side note how do I oversize pages to make them really annoying to read?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 01:41am PT
More views from Kassala of Taka Mountain and its subsidiaries:







Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 01:41am PT
I wonder how much climbing the baboons are doing? We have threads on them doing incredibly hard stuff elsewhere in Africa of course.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:49am PT
you can see the "whitewash" from the vultures in those pictures...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rüppell%27s_Vulture

Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 01:56am PT
Eddie, did you notice that these Ruppell's Vultures fly up to 36,000 ft???? They are the highest flying bird in the world, having a special hemoglobin variant.

Not seeing your vulture streaks on Wikipedia, pls advise your link.
ruppell

climber
Sep 6, 2011 - 01:59am PT
Holy shot you guys are cracking me up. You know there are only 600 of us in the US. Maybe we're looking at my great great great uncles birds here. Thanks for the laughs!
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 02:08am PT
Crazy isn't it Ruppell. Check out Wikipedia on your relative! They are also known as Ruppell's Griffins too. Weigh up to 20 lbs, 8.5 ft wing span, only 30,000 left.






Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 02:11am PT
And, we also have in our archives, this crazy-assed business of baboons climbing way-hard stuff every evening and down climbing it in the morning, all to get away from leopards and hyenas:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=850043&tn=0&mr=0

Our Heason link doesn't go on about the resident baboons climbing Taka Mountain and her sisters, but they have to be doing it, don't you think?
ruppell

climber
Sep 6, 2011 - 02:15am PT
So there are more of my possible great great great uncles birds left in existence then us humans with my last name in the US. Boy ain't that a hoot.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 6, 2011 - 02:17am PT
your links on the page begining:

More views from Kassala of Taka Mountain and its subsidiaries:

show white on the faces at and below ledges...
36,000' is wild!
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 6, 2011 - 02:30am PT
I see what you are talking about now Ed. Killer links by the way. You are a stud!!

You have to wonder what was the adaptive purpose of flying so high. Or was it just not adaptive but a random variation. Jets have taken them in at that height according to Wikipedia.

So cool. Their hemoglobin has a hugely increased affinity for oxygen, allowing these immense altitudes.

go-B

climber
Sozo
Sep 6, 2011 - 09:06am PT
Peter your first picture looks like you could belay off the plane!

They look like a herd of Camels!

Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
So following up on this fantastic granite range (The Taka Mountains) above Kassala Sudan.

The American Alpine Journal on page 250, issue 2014, just now out, has a climb report by Jonathan Thesenga. He and his wife Brittany Griffith did several routes on these domes last December. Apparently it was 100 deg F midday, they report. And the vultures and baboons are still there.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Aug 26, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
Pushing the Like button for Peter picking up this thread again.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
again what this place actually looks like:








Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 26, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
Hope those people are ready for a real dirtbag invasion.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 26, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
Peter, that '41 photo is awesome.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 26, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 27, 2014 - 06:34pm PT
Thanks for posting that Atlantic link Peter, makes modern daily lives and challenges look easy.





Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2014 - 01:00pm PT
THE LOCATION:

goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 28, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
Sketchy as hell traveling there at this point.

http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/sudan-travel-warning.html
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
bumping this fascinating thread
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 31, 2018 - 09:13am PT
bump again
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 31, 2018 - 11:26am PT
Looks spectacular, and perhaps that surviving the climbing and wild animals might be the lesser part of the epic.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
Traveling thru Sudan is about as sketchy as it gets. Reuters reporters put it right near the top
of their list of sh!thole countries and among the top 5 for air travel nightmares. Eritrea MIGHT
be slightly better but what, you fly to Djibouti and overland it from there or hire a charter flight? 🙄

Pretty sure there’s no airline I would get on that flies to Asmara. 😉
nafod

Boulder climber
State college
Jul 31, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
Bringing these over...this one lets you zoom in on one of the domes.

https://www.google.com/maps/@15.4297027,36.4271954,3a,15y,31.66h,113.54t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipPdy4gnX_59c03HKYEqYOqy-df15lZMZWi6CSGi!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPdy4gnX_59c03HKYEqYOqy-df15lZMZWi6CSGi%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-2.9338646-ya353.5-ro-0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!9m2!1b1!2i38

Check out the goats not wearing a harness. Gonna die? Na-a-a-a-h

https://www.google.com/maps/@15.4315679,36.4227828,3a,16.7y,70.28h,90.24t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipOvAXbdJG0sV42yMJQrK_wOS7OGmPb9aBywPig4!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOvAXbdJG0sV42yMJQrK_wOS7OGmPb9aBywPig4%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-2.9338646-ya267.5-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!9m2!1b1!2i38

Also

https://www.google.com/maps/@15.4102679,36.399305,3a,15y,96.34h,105.12t/data=!3m11!1e1!3m9!1sAF1QipMf8YUjV5cDskZvHo1W2Tf00YnQKKrEhSctoqQb!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMf8YUjV5cDskZvHo1W2Tf00YnQKKrEhSctoqQb%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-2.9338646-ya233.5-ro0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120!9m2!1b1!2i38



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