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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Dec 18, 2015 - 01:32am PT
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........ or statistical anomalies
(my favorite phrase that I've learned on these threads).
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Dec 19, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Mind is an illusion brought on by a shortage of beer?
An original idea. I like it.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 19, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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Hey, Tom:
Is that guy a statistical anomaly?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 19, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
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Every living entity knows within their very own self that the mechanistic view is a sterile dead end to its very own self .....
Life comes from life.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
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I have nothing against it. I just happen to find it dreadfully boring.
“But Steve Jobs meditated!”
Yeah, and he also did L.S.D. — do you want me to try that, too?
“L.S.D. is dangerous. Science shows that meditation is good for you. It will change your life.”
Will it?
Pfffffttt, know what i'm say'in?
The New York Times ISN'T all that!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2015 - 10:43pm PT
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Life comes from life.
Hmmmmm.... Life does begat death. And death does begat lif..... NO! Death does not begat life! Life is a blessing.
But i did just read the dalhiLama has a choice to who he returns as, and he may become a valley girl, fore sure, for sure?
So there's that..
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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Jim, i carry no symbols. i am only critical to what is written..
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Dec 19, 2015 - 11:25pm PT
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i am an island
defined as "object"
algae multiplied by grandeur
mind streaming randomly
nerves cautious gravitationally
heart beats unsuspectingly
merely through causality
ebbs flow tidily
timing appears mightily
logistics coherently
brain decays scientifically
soul spreadeagle only metaphorically
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 20, 2015 - 08:12am PT
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First 10 hits were all commercial enterprises touting their superior methods.
I agree ^^^^ and not even funny.
Lame commercialized bullsh!t cloaked in so called disciplic succession tradition all whitewashed to make a business ......
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Dec 20, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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No Time Like the Present
There's no time like the past
For living in your dreams
There's no time like the present
For doing all those things
There's no time like the past
For dwelling on regrets
There's no time like the present
Unless one forgets
There's no time in the future
There's no time in the past
There'll never be enough time
For doing things that last
I'll do what all I can do
In the present here and now
But whatever doesn't happen
Wouldn't happen anyhow
-bushman
12/20/2015
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Dec 20, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
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NO!
Fedya!
Don't stop there.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 20, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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funny how things pop up... in today's NYTimes book review
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/books/review/memory-theater-by-simon-critchley.html
links across to a recent idea streaming on the other thread... about our modern lack of perspective as it pertains to story telling, and the relative newness of history, which we take to be the recorded events of the past.
Having to be recorded had to wait until a recording technology was created, clay tablets, papyrus, movable print... the internet.
But this all is very recent, and before that all there was was memory. And so there were techniques to aid in promoting memory... interestingly the very first work that survived on rhetoric, Rhetorica ad Herennium provided tips on how to better remember
Nunc ad thesaurum inventorum atque ad omnium partium rhetoricae custodem, memoriam, transeamus.
["...Now let me turn to the treasure-house of the ideas supplied by Invention, to the guardian of all the parts of rhetoric, the Memory."]
not so much now, but once upon a time everything had to be remembered.
When reviewing the controversies around Beowulf one is confronted with the idea of how a poem is constructed, in a way to allow for memorization by those who would tell it.. and so such structures are evident in poems that survive from those times before writing, though Beowulf was written after the advent of paper and ink.
But for most of the human species' time on the planet things had to be memorized.
And the technique alluded to in the work reviewed today in the NYTimes, and expounded on in the Wikipedia article: Method of loci, make use of the brain's "built in" spatial memory to set memories "in space" to be recalled by "walking through" that space and finding the memories there.
The method also referred to as the "memory palace."
People who practice in memory competitions overwhelming use this technique to hone their memory capacity.
Interesting, how much of "ourselves" is wrapped up in our memory? and how interesting that our sense of spatial location is tied up with memory.
One wonders if the territory doesn't have more to do with the map than we've been lead to believe.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Dec 20, 2015 - 09:36pm PT
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Like I said.
Whether mined
or mind.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 20, 2015 - 10:29pm PT
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but memory is sometimes a hard task master
For the materialists they are reborn with their memory wiped and only their destined karma intact ....
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 21, 2015 - 07:46am PT
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Fedya: I never cease being amazed by the boldness and cleverness with which man has created and continues to create a second nature.
The mind creates everything.
Leonard Cohen: That’s what enlightenment means: lighten up.
Great line.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Dec 21, 2015 - 07:53am PT
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Do you think Fedya has a mind, Mike?
From
Luria, A.R. (1968). The Mind of a Mnemonist: A Little Book About A Vast Memory. Harvard University Press.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 21, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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MH2: Do you think Fedya has a mind, Mike?
I don’t know. Who can know of another, be he, she, or it is imaginary or not.
If you care about such things, different factions in Buddhist traditions take different views on whether things in the world actually exist or not (as do many science types here with some spiritualists), while other Buddhist traditions argue that more importantly whether minds exist themselves. Such questions / issues present mazes and koans for which there are no answers. There are no answers not because one can’t find answers but because the questions themselves don’t really exist. We’re just amusing ourselves.
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