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WindRiverWildman

Trad climber
N. Colorado
May 7, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
cliff:

I think that part of the answer is that the young child's soul was open and awake, enabling it to directly see the meaning of what was being said as the feelings from the speaker's soul just before the words were formed.

There is a physiological reason also. Apparently the brain of children is wired in a way that facilitates learning languages - which gets rewired as the child ages - so the best time to learn a language is as a child.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 9, 2015 - 07:16am PT
Ex_Machina...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bggUmgeMCdc
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
May 9, 2015 - 08:37am PT
Some would say we can't create AI because that would make us like God. They would say we can never be like God because we haven't passed all of God's tests, that we are not worthy.

Others would say it's sacrilege to play God, and that it's not possible to create a sentient artificial being.

Some would say that we create sentient beings biologically every time we procreate. Others would say that that's not us creating intelligent life, but God creating intelligent life through us.

Some of say that we will create AI and that it will happen within the next 25 years. Others would say that if we create AI and we are capable of God's handiwork then that might prove that there is no God.

Some would say that to play God or to try and disprove the existence of God would be blaspheme and that we will be judged harshly for it.

I think that that God has nothing to do with it.
WBraun

climber
May 9, 2015 - 09:03am PT
You "think" means you have no clue and are just guessing.

Guessing is useless for understanding something you have no clue.

The living entity is part parcel of God.

The living entity has all the qualities of God but not the quantity.

Thus the living entity eternally remains subordinate to God.

The living entities claim there is no God is using it's limited independent free will to make such a claim.

But it's independence is eternally limited and subordinate.

Otherwise the living entity would have complete control and ownership of its body.

No conditioned soul has such attributes.

Their material bodies are taken away by force after their allotted breaths (prana) and seen by such conditioned living entities as "Death".

Thus the foolish gross materialist can keep barking at the empty space in their tiny brains to make
their stupid claims there is no God to no avail .......
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 9, 2015 - 09:09am PT
There is no god.

Unless, by "god" you mean whatever you want it to mean. But that's 'thinking' eh duck?
WBraun

climber
May 9, 2015 - 09:16am PT
My posts stand of themselves.

Whether someone "thinks" them or not is unimportant.

Whether someone agrees or not is unimportant.

Randisi mind "thinks" he's important .....
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 9, 2015 - 10:13am PT
I read everything. Werner is a bodhisattva from Cold Mountain. Dismiss him at your peril.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 9, 2015 - 10:20am PT
If anyone here would like a GREAT intro to either Joe Rogan (btw, just interviewed Sam Harris a third time) or Neil deGrasse Tyson, then I'd recommend this 2011 JRE podcast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qoa2jU1NVI

Time well spent. A host of exciting, cool topics, one after another.

I really had no idea just how widely and well versed Joe Rogan is (former host of Fear Factor and host of MMA comps) in science goings-on all across the board.

PS

Speaking of mind, machine consciousness and AGI (artificial general intelligence), there is another GREAT exchange on the state of the art between Harris and Rogan on his #641 podcast. Starts last hour or so.

Our own consciousness is so archaic in comparison if you're talking about something that can exponentially increase in one week... and on and on from there. Why would you want to take your consciousness [and upload it to the internet]? It's like a chicken asking: Can I stay a chicken? Where are my feathers going to go in this new world? If you could take an ant and turn it into Einstein would it really want to go back to being an ant? "I prefer digging in the dirt, dropping my eggs and cutting leaves." Ultimately this is inescapable it seems like. Our thirst for ingenuity and innovation is never going to slow down. And our ability to do that is never going to slow down either... unless a super-volcano hits.

"We're building a wrecking ball. And we're going to swing it out away from the planet and watch it hurdle back." -Sam Harris on AGI
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 9, 2015 - 10:32am PT
It's just plain screwy how the two threads get mixed up.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 9, 2015 - 11:48am PT
Is nothing sacred?
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 10, 2015 - 07:52pm PT
If you could take an ant and turn it into Einstein would it really want to go back to being an ant?


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WBraun

climber
May 10, 2015 - 09:44pm PT
The ant is still there.

Your theory failed .....
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 13, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
Question: Are Planck spheres more closely associated with religion than with mind?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 13, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
Ray Boeche: Enfoldment Technology - produces research on the use of various waves to influence physical health and behavior.

The human brain operates as a receptor for portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. EM energy, when modulated, can act as a stimulus at some point in the sensory systems. This provides a physiological basis for the degradation of behavior and for emotional and physical changes.

The degree to which brain stimulation can be limited to a discrete locus is a complex function of the wavelength of the energy, the scattering that occurs as the energy passes through tissue layers, and the nature of the antenna.

Air ions and electro-aerosols have been demonstrated to have physiological and behavior consequences. Effects have been demonstrated on emotions, reaction times, flicker fusion frequency, blood pressure, sedimentation rate, serum protein, and metabolism. Charged particles penetrating the alveolar wall are transferred to blood cells and act on the central nervous system by stimulating the pulmonary nerves.

The effect of photon waves, sound waves and other oscillatory disturbances of free space, for example neutrinos and gravitons are also under investigation.

Fourier transforms are produced because everything produces an interference pattern that is either an amplified signal or a scattered wave pattern containing information that was present in the brainwave oscillations; or, in the case of the inanimate, in the object itself.


Psychotronic Weapons - Brain Manipulation from A Distance

The atmospheric carrier wave spreads the interference pattern over the surface of the earth, and certain people or devices can perform Fourier transforms to pick off the interference patterns and reconstruct the originals. The Fourier components of entire scenes - buildings, landscapes, individuals and so on, are directly decodable by the receiver.

The human organism is a liquid-crystal-like assembly of biomolecules and is capable of coherent and monochromatic amplification of incoming electromagnetic waves in the kilohertz region by more than a million fold. Not only the incoming waves are amplified, but if the liquid-crystal rotation levels are modulated by bioelectrical-potential fluctuations induced by the brain, the outgoing field will carry this modulation information. A second person, or device, capable of perceiving and demodulating this kilohertz wave modulated information can then “read” the first person's mind.

Psychotronic weapons theoretically can manipulate human behavior with the use of subliminal messages, by either sound or visual stimuli. See U. S. Army article entitled “The Mind Has No Firewall” © Spring 1998 by Timothy L. Thomas in Parameters, pp. 84 - 92.

Lieutenant Colonel Timothy L. Thomas (USA Ret.) is an analyst at the Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He has written extensively on the Russian view of information operations and on current Russian military-political issues. During his military career, he served in the 82d Airborne Division and was the Department Head of Soviet Military-Political Affairs at the U.S. Army's Russian Institute in Garmisch, Germany.


Psychotronics Independent of Distance and Magnetic Shielding

Some lower frequency neutrinos can stimulate the de-excitation of biophysical rotationally excited molecules in the rain. Neutrinos can be responsible for the release of coded thought waves. Since neutrinos can travel unimpeded through the Earth or other barriers, this is consistent with the independence of psychotronic effects to distance and to magnetic shielding.

Regarding macroscopic influences, experimental evidence indicates that events influenced by human will power actually do occur. For example, when tumbling dice are influenced to come to rest in a desired position. By psychotronically influencing the atomic nuclei in the die, a person can generate gravitational forces of the magnitude equal to about 15% of the Earth's gravitation.

According to some quantum-mechanical theories, all matter is indeterminate and dispersed and actual reality must be described by a wave function with an infinite set of sine states extending over all of space and time. Physicist David Bohm believes that matter must be described by a multi-state wave function. The quantum wave is a wave of knowledge and information.

This information is not arranged in terms of position and time, as we have come to perceive it, but rather as frequency and amplitude information, and the human consciousness essentially performs Fourier transforms on this so as to order that information into the more familiar form. Consciousness might, by this mechanism, access any portion of space and time to acquire information. Further, since it is known that a particle with wave properties is not located in a strictly determined place, but can be all over the entire universe, or at different points simultaneously, a generalization from microcosm to macrocosm makes possible the appearance of a macro object anywhere in the universe.

Each object present as a standing wave in a specific location in space and time is all present at all points in space and time. (Example: The paper on which this is being written exists everywhere and at all times simultaneously. It was present last year in the Zeta Reticuli system, except that there was less of it there than there is here now.) Information regarding physical objects can be enfolded and carried in electromagnetic waves, by electron beams, neutrinos, gravitons, quantum-matter waves, and numerous other forms of movement.

Planck's equation states that frequency and energy are the same thing. Since we know from Einstein that energy and matter are convertible, it follows that frequency can be matter. So, from frequency interference patterns, we should be able to manifest the physical objects that produced these patterns. This is the principle on which psychotronic devices function. The function of the psychotronic device is to bring out, by appropriate focusing, the wave structure of a distant object, which is latently present in any particular point in space. Likewise, human psychological processes have wave characteristics, and the mental images and thoughts of all people are present in every point in space and time. Recording and manifesting images as standing waves that have been ejected outside the brain and externalized is another accomplishment of this psychotronic device.

The wave functions of quantum mechanics represent real matter waves that permeate all space and time. It requires only the will of a capable person or a suitably designed device to perform an operation on these waves that would permit the perception of any scene in space and time. It is through Fourier analysis of these waves that objects and events distant in space and/or time can be captured and visualized.

Researchers are now working on means to interface thought and behavior directly through a transducer attached to the head and read directly by a computer. The computer can monitor, modify and control behavior without the subject's awareness.

Research has established that the most effective psychotronic subjects are highly temperamental and emotionally open females in the 16 to 21 age group. Side effects, including inappropriate behavior, neurasthenia, psychasthenia and hallucinations and hysteria were noted.

There have been demonstrations of the psychotronic manipulation of consciousness, and correlations shown with systematic EEG recordings. Tests have included sending to the percipient the anxiety associated with suffocation and the sensation of a blow to the head.

After transmitting negative emotions to the human subject, the white blood cell count decreased by 1600. Such a psychotronically imposed shift in white cell count could be used to alter human health. Control and manipulation of physical health, as well as human consciousness, thoughts, emotions and will has been achieved.

During such "negative healing," field pulsations were noted that were synchronous with the subject's respiration rate, heartbeat and brain alpha rhythm pattern. Effects on human subjects have included pain, paralysis, burns and other tissue damage and acute coronary thrombosis. While electrical fields have been measured successfully between healers and subjects, knowing these field potentials has not yet led to the duplication of human-induced beneficial effects by means of mechanically-generated fields. Consequently, more success has been achieved in the area of negative healing than with the positive type.

To a significant degree, we are dealing with the supernatural and positive supernatural entities are superior to the negative. For example, Satan, an "evil angel," has far less power than God.

A psychotronic device is impossible to defend against and its effects, including changes in brain wave characteristics, disturbance of equilibrium and dizziness, can result in personality changes and/or physical discomfort that if employed broadly against troops would alter combat effectiveness. When employed selectively against military and political leaders would reduce the ability to command and govern. Such a device, capable of negatively affecting healthy tissue as well as disrupting fundamental brain rhythms, heart control and biological clock mechanisms, would pose a severe threat to enemy command, military, intelligence, embassy and other security functions.”


Information presented to Ray Boeche, but which he was not allowed to write notes about during the meeting. These are notes Ray wrote down later:

Shown 3 series of photos, 4 photos per series, purporting to show individuals being killed during psychotronic weapons experiments.

1. Male, white, 25-30 years, allegedly death by remotely-induced cardiac arrest.
2. Female, white, 20-25 years, allegedly death by remotely transmitting and creating head trauma equivalent to crushing of right anterior portion of the skull.
3. Male, white, 30-40 years, allegedly death by remotely controlled suffocation.

Setting was laboratory environment, alleged victims were wired for EKG, seated in reclining chair, somewhat similar to dentist's chair.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 13, 2015 - 09:08pm PT
Good. Planck spheres must be in there somewhere.
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
May 14, 2015 - 09:54am PT
Research has established that the most effective psychotronic subjects are highly temperamental and emotionally open females in the 16 to 21 age group. Side effects, including inappropriate behavior, neurasthenia, psychasthenia and hallucinations and hysteria were noted.

...is there any other kind of female of that age group? ; )
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 19, 2015 - 03:22pm PT
Are Planck spheres psychotronic entities or aspects of theoretical physics? Or both?


I would think that any proposal that the mind extends beyond the confines of the brain would somehow be validated by successful remote viewing experiments. None seem to exist. If the mind is a kind of field then again remote viewing should be possible. If mind is emptiness then the game is over.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 21, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
Hey Caltech mindbrain fans...

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I love science!!
WBraun

climber
May 21, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
Without consciousness first there would be absolutely no mind or brain what so ever.

The source of consciousness is what makes and drives the mind and brain ......
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 22, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
Without consciousness first there would be absolutely no mind or brain what so ever


Statement due to poor fund of knowledge.
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