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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 15, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
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The Higgs boson, while labeled as such, really isn't a boson by the normal definition at all.
no, it is a boson in the very definition of the term...
Fermions do not interact directly with each other
while fermions do couple to bosons, there is the "Pauli interaction" which prohibits them occupying the same state (the "Pauli Exclusion Principle"). This "force" which is not mediated by bosons (but is required by the definition of fermion) is what makes matter stable... why matter is "solid."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 16, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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^^^is that "force" the "resting mass" energy?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 16, 2014 - 08:44am PT
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Yes, tom, that is super ultra extraordinary. Yes, it is astonishing what those neurons ganging up together can do! Thanks for reminding us!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 16, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
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^^^is that "force" the "resting mass" energy?
no, it is the "force" that prevents the two fermions from occupying the same state...
neutrinos have very small masses, and they can't be in the same state (they are fermions)...
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Sep 17, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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PP, any word back from Abie?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 17, 2014 - 09:04pm PT
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Thanks again Ed!
Sorry to be burdensome! Man i got sooo many questions you could answer.
Do you have any favorite websites for this stuff?
If you ever want to come to JT and climb, me casa, sue casa!
It's been humid as of late, but by Oct it should be dreamy!
Cheers
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 17, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
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^^^ i learned more from you than from that link.
Cool pics though.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 19, 2014 - 08:44am PT
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re: Waking Up
re: conscious experience, "self", meditation
So I gather Jan and I are the TWO who have read or studied (in my case, "studied" would probably be the more apropos term) Waking Up by Sam Harris. Anyone else?
Jan, we should discuss. You give me a couple reflections, etc, I'll give you a couple. I'll need a little more time though. Haven't read the last (mostly tack on, it seems) chapter - maybe this afternoon or Sunday.
I should say, I "studied" it mostly for a different reason compared to some probably. I studied it (a) for how SH presents, phrases and frames these leading, provoking, controversial topics for science communications effectiveness (amongst peers and public) and (b) for SH/current topic familiarity sake as much as anything else, since, except for the meditation part, I'm familiar with the topics having followed them, pursued them, lifelong.
I've been tracking it, the book, at amazon. Seems to be doing well. He's quite the communicator and he's got quite the following. I wonder what Carl Sagan would think of Sam Harris? I think conversations between the two could've been quite dynamic. Sagan would be about 79 today.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Sep 19, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
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The brain is part of the body. The mind is part of the transcendent world of wisdom and thought. Although the brain is the organ most associated with consciousness, the brain does not completely contain the mind. The mind’s intelligence permeates every human cell, extending into the environment and carrying with it the wisdom of the ancients (JL Link)
Couldn't make it past this point. Interest flamed out. Too much Woo.
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MH2
climber
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Sep 19, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
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Thank God my cells have the wisdom of the ancients.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 19, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
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Couldn't make it past this point. Interest flamed out. Too much Woo.
that was the part that was good! you must drive a Ford?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 19, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
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Thank God my cells have the wisdom of the ancients.
Amen!
Some people think it's by chance you look like ur mom.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 19, 2014 - 11:06pm PT
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I wonder what Carl Sagan would think of Sam Harris?
i thought Carl was a scientist?
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Sep 20, 2014 - 11:48am PT
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you must drive a Ford?
I loved the OLD Ford Explorers. Bought four in a row until Ford turned them into a cross-over piece of junk.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2014 - 05:20pm PT
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What ever else you can say about Sam, he's walked his walk and has brought attention and intelligence to alternative points of view that have to westerners long been considered the purest jive. Fascinating guy, and a good example of the fact that even when a hard-core scientist starts down the path of self-observation, their world is never the same. He is remarkably lucid about what I go on and on about in muddled ways.
JL
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MH2
climber
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Sep 20, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
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And even more broadly: whenever you do anything your world is never the same again.
Can't step into the same river.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Sep 20, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
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Among other things, I enjoyed Sam's stories from Nepal. The one about the rat in his hotel room in Kathmandu was similar to an experience of mine. He walked the walk in more than one way.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 21, 2014 - 09:42am PT
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JL: The mind’s intelligence permeates every human cell, extending into the environment and carrying with it the wisdom of the ancients (JL Link)"
Jgill: Couldn't make it past this point. Interest flamed out. Too much Woo.
If you believe in the theory of evolution, wouldn't you not say that mechanisms like intuition, digestion, and a number of other invisible or not-conscious processes constitute a "wisdom of the ancients?" Is DNA now "woo," too?
MH2: Thank God my cells have the wisdom of the ancients.
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