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MikeL

Trad climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jun 28, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
If you are a person who possesses little faith and essentially no wisdom, you are like the leading edge of running water downhill--you go anywhere you are led, taking anything said to be true, wanting to cry when you see others cry, wanting to laugh when you see others laugh.

Meditative stabilization (serenity) suppresses afflictions, while wisdom (insight) destroys inherent dormant tendencies. Serenity is blissful.

Serenity is necessary for insight because it constitutes a type of attention that approximates insight; when serenity generates pliancy, then it is insight.

Generating pliancy by setting attention on a single object--even if the object is emptiness--is nothing more than a way to achieve serenity; however, serenity alone does not count as attaining insight, . . . but insight demands serenity first.

Mind is like a space that is vividly aware. What is right in front of you is not important, but rather the open space that things and emotions occupy.

Holding the space in front of you vividly is very similar to the feeling or intense awareness you've had in the mountains right before a lightning strike.

The best meditators are the best teachers.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jun 28, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Welcome back, Mike. Interesting post . . . as always.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
Look, a brand new poster.

How did you originally become aware of ST? Family? friends? On the job referral ?

Of course your post is nebulous, formulaic, contradictory , and utterly lacking in persuasive potency.

But, hey , what else is new?

Don't worry, you're new, and we can work on those problems.
MH2

climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
If you are a person who possesses little faith and essentially no wisdom, you are like the leading edge of running water downhill--you go anywhere you are led, taking anything said to be true, wanting to cry when you see others cry, wanting to laugh when you see others laugh.

Meditative stabilization (serenity) suppresses afflictions, while wisdom (insight) destroys inherent dormant tendencies. Serenity is blissful.

Serenity is necessary for insight because it constitutes a type of attention that approximates insight; when serenity generates pliancy, then it is insight.

Generating pliancy by setting attention on a single object--even if the object is emptiness--is nothing more than a way to achieve serenity; however, serenity alone does not count as attaining insight, . . . but insight demands serenity first.

Mind is like a space that is vividly aware. What is right in front of you is not important, but rather the open space that things and emotions occupy.

Holding the space in front of you vividly is very similar to the feeling or intense awareness you've had in the mountains right before a lightning strike.

The best meditators are the best teachers. (MikeL)





Well, sure MikeL. Well said. Quite true. I think every parent knows that. But have you ever tried it while backing down the driveway taking both kids to school on your way to work trying to remember if the kids have all the stuff they need for the day and are you going to be at work on time and which route to drive according to the time it is and one of your kids asks you how to convert Fahrenheit to Centigrade?
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Jun 28, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
Jan, back in Junior high we took some "L" and went to a hypnotist show in Hollywood and I held the legs of his 90lb female assistant whom he told was as stiff as a board and laid her between two chairs with nothing in between and then he stood on top of her which she did with ease, that was a trip!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
that meditation is not a self-improvement vehicle, but a way to see how we have been mistaken about who we are and what this life is.

In other words : there is no intrinsic worth to the individual in discovering he/she has been carrying around utterly mistaken notions about their identity and the true meaning of life?

Furthermore, discovering that meditation can somehow correct the condition of being
" mistaken" does not in fact lead or amount to self-improvement ?

I regard this as a dissonant, dysregulatory meme that clearly makes a claim of revelatory truth while simultaneously disavowing its ultimate relevance and value to the individual.
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Jun 28, 2014 - 06:20pm PT
Dissing the Taoists now, I mean, how low can you go?
:D
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 28, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
Mike L is not a brand new poster by the way, but an old timer here who has just been temporarily absent.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
Mike L is not a brand new poster by the way, but an old timer here who has just been temporarily absent.

Yeah , I know. I was just being goofy. I have exchanged posts with MikeL on numerous occasions.

I hope his absence was not due to unfortunate developments; and I trust he and his family are safe and in good health.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 28, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
I'm still trying to get used to American brazeness after Japanese subtlety, and now you're pulling irony on me?! You Americans are hard to figure.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jun 28, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
You Americans are hard to figure.

The American sense of humor is much more theatrical. It's the home of vaudeville, the one liner, the funny page, the long narrative joke, and the slapstick comedy movie.Americans can see the humor in too many things because Americans love to laugh.

A poll of resort , hotel , and restaurant owners and managers around the world rated the Japanese the most deferential and courteous. Americans displayed the greatest sense of humor.
The French were the rudest.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jun 28, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
Holding the space in front of you vividly is very similar to the feeling or intense awareness you've had in the mountains right before a lightning strike (MikeL)


Oh man, it's been twenty years since I leapt from crag to crag tempting Zeus. Fond memories of hair on end. (of hair, period)


;>)
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
I regard this as a dissonant, dysregulatory meme that clearly makes a claim of revelatory truth while simultaneously disavowing its ultimate relevance and value to the individual.
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This kind of masochistic word-brokering underscores the dead-end mental kabuki I mentioned that always arises when people try and reckon things that are derived from guessing and evaluating - "But that's what he said!" You just keep looping arond in the same place - we can easily see why.

When we say to beginners that this is a trap, this obsessive guessing adn evaluating, what is meant is that so long as you keep sniping from an evaluating platform, it percludes you from actually doing anything, while assuring you cover no new ground. Picture the rat on the wheel - and then heap virtue on being there.

But again, nothing changes does it. Nothing shifts.

Ask a question. Problem is, this is almost impossible for a person stuck in this position. But its the only way out.

JL

jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jun 28, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
Who says nothing is achieved on these threads? I just learned a new word!

dysregulation
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 28, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
If you are a person who possesses little faith and essentially no wisdom, you are like the leading edge of running water downhill--you go anywhere you are led, taking anything said to be true, wanting to cry when you see others cry, wanting to laugh when you see others laugh.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH tHAT was a laugh ending in coughs.

MikeL returns YEA!

Now i gotta go back and see what else you said.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 28, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
YOWWE! Everybody's funny tonightstars must in alignment?

i'm lovin this thread!

Cept for Largo, who's in The "FLOWCUS" (Flow>
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
I think every poster should list how many alcoholic beverages they have downed before posting LOL.

But you can see how whenever someone asks for something from inside the circle, so to speak, it gets dragged out and twisted into the most tortured mumbo jumbo. BASE has the right idea: Find out what to do, and do that. But so long as you believe it is a mental journey, you'll never get past GO.

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 28, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
Thanks Jan,

As for remembering past lives, most traditions I know of say that it happens when you reach the right level of personal spiritual progress. Before that, if you could see how badly you have screwed up over and over in the same ways, you would be too depressed to handle it so that's why most people can't remember. Of course that's true of this present life as well, if one really reflects on it, so no need to worry about the past. Buddha said, "if you want to know your past life, look at the present one. If you want to know your future life, look at the present one".

For me, signing on with The Lord,has givin me the insight that i'm inherent to screwups. And thru HIS sacrifice, and my humility, my conscious is justified. And the wise man/woman will look to Jesus for a straight path.
And when the lesson is learned, the negative becomes a positive.
And ALL Glory goes to God!

For Buddha's sake,
If i want to know where i'm going,i need to know where i'm comin from.
Karmeticly, if i don't make amends for my past transgressions, i don't progress.

Alot of "i's" in that statement. No Him's! Make's me fell like it was "i" who is responsible for me being here..?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jun 28, 2014 - 10:47pm PT


I think every poster should list how many alcoholic beverages they have downed before posting LOL.

Hey i jus got home from Asher's 6th Birthday party! i only drank the kool-aid..
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 28, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
....but a way to see how we have been mistaken about who we are and what this life is.
Gotta love the parallels with old-timey 'original sin'. Humans - just how did they survive without religion and metaphysics?
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