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MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
ban·ter
ˈban(t)ər/

noun

1.
the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.


Example:

I hope you're not calling ME a banterer, MH2. I know I'm not perfect, but a banterer? No way. A punter maybe.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 2, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
Bantergeezer here.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
Is the correct usage Bantergeezer or Geezer Banterer?


Deep waters here.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 2, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
The minute the sun goes down I put on my Miller welding helmet and when log into this forum I immediately put on my helicopter nomex flameproof flight suit ......

None of that will help.

Question: do you have ringing in your ears?

WBraun

climber
Mar 2, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
No ...

Nothing rings in there.

I'm deaf and stoopid ......
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:00pm PT
A rare agreement.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
Don't drink water with fluoride .

[/quote]When there is fluoride added to a cell several things occur. The first is the amount of the EZ lowers. 2. The EZ net negative charge is lowered. 3. The amount of light that can be stored in the EZ is lowered. 4. The amount of ADP/ATP is lowered. This means the amount of inorganic phosphate and phosphorus is lowered. 5. The current on the electron chain transporter is lowered. Anytime this current on ECT is lowered the associated magnetic field is lowered in mitochondria. its level of magnetism is affected. What does this mean? It means that the way the mitochondria can work in us is no longer optimized at a quantum level because the electronegativity of fluoride affects the calcium uniporter in a mitochondria. It is from this uniporter that all size and shape changes in the mitochondria begin and therefore this controls how all energy can flow within a cell. As magnetism drops the amount of UV light emission changes in a cell. In planets we can use the UV light emission as an indirect measure of energy loss within the system. My sense is we can do the same in a cell by looking at parts of the cell and the cell as a whole to see light energy loss to make predictions about disease generation.Mitochondria oscillate at 100 hz in health = Doug Wallace research 101. The 50 Hz field affect the calcium uniporter that all mitochondria have except in fungi. They are the only eukaryote that skates around this issue. USA power grid oscillates at 60 Hz and the EU at 50 hz. They have bigger risks and why electromagnetic sensitivity is a bigger issue in EU than in states. When a mitochondria uptakes calcium into the matrix guess what is signaled? The TCA cycle. This is why Nora Volkow's research has shown the nnEMF is associated with up regulation of AMPK and glucose metabolism = Otto Warburg. The seminal work on the uniporter was done by researcher Vamsi Mootha. To understand mitochondria you have to understand the 37 genes and their 1098 protein products. 13 of these proteins are key to making the cytochromes. To date we know there is 1098 proteins from the 37 genes but we only have proteomics data in 300-400 of these proteins. It appears a metazoan protein called "Emre" links MICU1 to MICU 2 mitochondrial proteins to make the MCU pore through which mitochondrial permeability becomes a deep problem with electric and magnetic fields. EMRE or the MICU 1 and 2 pore = the calcium uniporter that controls energy flow in a mitochondria.
It also appears that blue light is massive amplifier of the uniporter too. When you dive deeper you begin to learn more than the food guru's. Fake light and nnEMF = autism = % heteroplasmy in the maternal DNA in her oocytes = places in USA that marry population density to technology use = wealth = more tech gear = decision to move from you home = tied to the inverse square law of EMF. Fluoride in any product you use can augment mitochondrial dysfunction. Just brushing your teeth with fluoride toothpaste can result in a higher blood glucose level. I found this myself in an N=1 mito-hack ten years ago. That convinced me to cut fluoride and teflons from my life. http://www.theage.com.au/…/studies-linking-fluoride-in-wate…[/quote]
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
Do ducks have a sense of humor?

Dogs show what may be fairly called a sense of humor, as distinct from mere play; if a bit of stick or other such object be thrown to one, he will often carry it away for a short distance; and then squatting down with it on the ground close before him, will wait until his master comes quite close to take it away. The dog will then seize it and rush away in triumph, repeating the same maneuver, and evidently enjoying the practical joke.

Charles Darwin
The Descent of Man
1872
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
Remember this, MH2? It was my first introduction to you on-line. You posted it to my Road to Lucille thread from 2011. You haven't changed much, have you?
This was your answer to my question of;
Hey. I'M the one asking for advice here, aren't I? What the frick do I know about ginko products? IF I KNEW, I WOULDN'T be asking now WOULD I? Something that you can ingest that will help out your offwidth climbing. That's what we're talking about here.


MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
Dingus,

I was trying to find a long-buried memory. All I could remember was, "have you seen my good friend dying slow." Which led only to a Marvin Gaye lyric. But it wasn't what I remembered from hearing only once sometime between '71 and '73 in Poughkeepsie, NY.

Found it!

Steppinwolf 1970 Snowblind Friend


Also some guy named Hoyt Axton.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
LUCILLE!!!!!!?????

REPRISE.
WBraun

climber
Mar 2, 2017 - 06:03pm PT
The mind of the criminal American govt.

NSA Caught Intercepting Online Purchases To Install Spy Malware

http://investmentwatchblog.com/nsa-caught-intercepting-online-purchases-to-install-spy-malware/
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 2, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
" . . . he will often carry it away for a short distance; and then squatting down with it on the ground close before him, will wait until his master comes quite close to take it away. The dog will then seize it and rush away in triumph, repeating the same maneuver, and evidently enjoying the practical joke."

Every night in the living room as we sit down to watch TV Foxy Loxy does this with her "toy." Then she jumps up onto the back of my lounger and licks my head. Great sense of humor.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 2, 2017 - 06:25pm PT
Then she jumps up onto the back of my lounger and licks my head. Great sense of humor.

Ah, yes.



People, take heart.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Mar 3, 2017 - 08:31am PT
Werner: I'm deaf and stoopid ......

You bring tears to my eyes sometimes.


MH2:

Thanks. Banter.


DMT:

Great story and writing. Very visual. My first wife loved Ten Years After. I grew my hair out to mimic him for her, I think. The guy could play a guitar, though, couldn’t he?

Ever since I first started to sit in meditation and later contemplation, I’ve been impressed by how much thought, memory, feeling can at times take “me” away from the awareness of conventional external reality. At times, it’s been shocking. On a drive I have occasionally noticed that I have no memory or awareness of the last mile(s) or so. Not only has my body apparently “handled” the operational tasks involved in negotiating traffic and road, but my consciousness was truly “elsewhere,” (as it were). It’s remarkable how (let’s say) a single physical sensation can throw consciousness into another time, place, or immersion into a feeling. We appear to have the same experiences when reading a book, watching a movie, listening to someone’s story, day dreaming, etc.

Mind . . . whatever it is . . . appears to be a powerful thing. If I were to hold the idea that mind is brain and brain is purely evolutionary, then I would have to wonder how the operations such as reverie, daydreaming, trance, mindfulness (when mindfulness amounts to no-mind at all), etc. are evolutionarily beneficial? (For example, what is the evolutionary benefit in the production of art?)

Perhaps these non-functional (not particularly important to survival) cognitive activities are all “glitches” in yet an imperfect system. Or they are something else.


Jgill:

I’ve stumbled across quotes in recent readings that I think you (and some others) would appreciate here. Cheers.

“The more I’ve read of mathematicians and physicists, the more engrossed I’ve become. They really seem like artists to me.”
(David Hockney, 1988)

“The modern professional humanist is an academic person who pretends to despise measurement because of its “scientific” nature. He regards his mandate as the explanation of human expressions in the language of normal discourse. Yet to explain something and to measure it are similar operations. Both are translations.”
(George Kubler, 1962. “The Shape of Time: Remarks on the History of Things.”)

“[Frank] Stella told an interviewer: ‘I always get into arguments with people who want to retain the old values in painting—the humanistic values they always find on the canvas. If you pin them down, they always end up asserting that there is something there besides the paint on the canvas. My painting is based upon the fact that only what can be seen there *is* there.’ Similarly when asked if he was anti experiential, Lichetenstein replied, ‘I think so, and anti-contemplative, anti-nuance, anti-movement-and-light, anti-mystery, anti-paint-quality, anti-Zen, and anti all those brilliant ideas of preceding movements which everyone understands so thoroughly.’”
(David Galenson. 2006. “Old Masters and Young Geniuses: The Two Life Cycles of Artistic Creativity”)
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 3, 2017 - 09:50am PT
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6327/833.full

Bumblebees show cognitive flexibility by improving on an observed complex behavior

Olli J. Loukola, Clint J. Perry, Louie Coscos, Lars Chittka

Abstract
We explored bees’ behavioral flexibility in a task that required transporting a small ball to a defined location to gain a reward. Bees were pretrained to know the correct location of the ball. Subsequently, to obtain a reward, bees had to move a displaced ball to the defined location. Bees that observed demonstration of the technique from a live or model demonstrator learned the task more efficiently than did bees observing a “ghost” demonstration (ball moved via magnet) or without demonstration. Instead of copying demonstrators moving balls over long distances, observers solved the task more efficiently, using the ball positioned closest to the target, even if it was of a different color than the one previously observed. Such unprecedented cognitive flexibility hints that entirely novel behaviors could emerge relatively swiftly in species whose lifestyle demands advanced learning abilities, should relevant ecological pressures arise.

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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 3, 2017 - 09:52am PT
You are the crown of creation?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

"...In loyalty to their kind
They cannot tolerate our minds..."
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 3, 2017 - 10:46am PT
Yep, those bees are hella smart. I found a handwritten bumble bee manuscript just yesterday in my back yard. It was a kind of Divine Comedy for bees complete with comparitive notes and citations of Dante's original. Smart creatures for sure, tiny wings though.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 3, 2017 - 10:54am PT
“[Frank] Stella told an interviewer: ‘I always get into arguments with people who want to retain the old values in painting—the humanistic values they always find on the canvas. If you pin them down, they always end up asserting that there is something there besides the paint on the canvas. My painting is based upon the fact that only what can be seen there *is* there.’ Similarly when asked if he was anti experiential, Lichetenstein replied, ‘I think so, and anti-contemplative, anti-nuance, anti-movement-and-light, anti-mystery, anti-paint-quality, anti-Zen, and anti all those brilliant ideas of preceding movements which everyone understands so thoroughly.’”
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Of course the irony for Stella is that the whole of his work is based on a reaction to the structure of what art already entailed. Without that structure the greater body of his work is meaningless. As a result his theory leads only to a kind of ultimate reduction and finally, poof, there is no more art: reduction to the point of absurdity.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 3, 2017 - 12:34pm PT
irony?
are you saying he hasn't produced art?
or that he can't produce art, unless there is art to produce against?

bee fossils from 100 million years ago seem to suggest that these little buggers are rather well adapted to living on Earth... they've been doing it a couple of orders of magnitude longer than hominid... they seem to be a positive affect on the Earth as well, whereas with all our "higher level cognitive yadda, yadda, yadda..." we'll be lucky to survive our own stay.

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