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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
huh, lacking much in the way of reasonable explanations of sex from my parents (other than dont do it til yer older) i learned quite a bit from porn. lucky i never got anyone pregnant til now, i guess. anyway, theres no such conspiracy as trying to dissolve the "traditional american family". now contrails and obamb as the antichrist on the other hand...

work sucks.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
theres a connection here- the aliens brought color tv to roswell, which was subsequently used to brainwash the people with programs like V, where an alien race of lizard people try to take over earth. only we were saved by a bigfoot/godzilla partnership when the prez denounced his stated faith and declared jihad on the infidel lizards because the wanted to teach sex ed using fabric vaginas. what, you missed that episode?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2013 - 10:32am PT
just for you, f


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/04/10/philadelphia-abortion-clinic-horror-column/2072577/



miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee


read your history, f, what the japanese called "waterboarding" is far different (people died, f lied) than anything we did to ksm, et al.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2013 - 07:52am PT
what liberalism hath wrought:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/04/meet-the-swugs-of-yale-women-washed-up-at-21.html


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [and women] in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 12, 2013 - 10:35am PT
a murder trial featuring multiple victims, a staff of helpers, beheadings, body parts preserved and displayed as trophies, and all while theoretically under government oversight?

haven't heard about it?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130412_Teen_intern_at_Gosnell_clinic_recalls_hearing_one_aborted_fetus__quot_screeching_quot_.html


who could condone such a thing?

http://www.bornalivetruth.org/timeline.php


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee


bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
here's a scotus description of f's most valued "right":

Most common is the first-trimester “suction curettage,” in which the “physician” vacuums the unwanted “embryonic tissue” from the womb. By the time the second trimester is reached, this “tissue” has matured into the unmistakable shape of a child. Thus the “dilation and evacuation” procedure is often called for.

Employed millions of times in this most civilized country over the last half century, “D&E,” the court explained, involves the “physician’s” use of forceps “to tear apart” the “fetus” by “ripping” it from the cervix and then “evacuating the fetus piece by piece . . . until it has been completely removed” from the mother. Often, the justices observed, the D&E “physician” finds it more congenial to “kill the fetus a day or two before performing the surgical evacuation,” since “medical” experience has shown that, “once dead . . . the fetus’ body will soften,” becoming “easier” to dice and remove. Oh, another helpful tip: “Rotating the fetus as it is being pulled decreases the odds of dismemberment.”

By the time Carhart was decided, Roe v. Wade had been on the books for over a generation — the generation, to be more specific, that is now ruling the roost. It goes without saying — for we wouldn’t want to say it — that, in a nation that has absorbed this generation’s preening “values,” D&E already enjoyed the stamp of judicial approval. The only question before the Carhart Court was whether “partial birth” abortion — “intact D&E” — was beyond the pale.

This “medical procedure” is triggered by an advanced stage of maturation, in which the child’s well-developed head tends to “lodge in the cervix.” Relying on the instruction of Martin Haskell, another experienced abortionist, the justices related:

The right-handed surgeon slides the fingers of the left [hand] along the back of the fetus and “hooks” the shoulders of the fetus with the index and ring fingers (palm down). While maintaining this tension, lifting the cervix and applying traction to the shoulders with the fingers of the left hand, the surgeon takes a pair of blunt curved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. He carefully advances the tip, curved down, along the spine and under his middle finger until he feels it contact the base of the skull under the tip of his middle finger.

The surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull. . . . He spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening. . . . The surgeon [then] removes the scissors and introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents. With the catheter still in place, he applies traction to the fetus, removing it completely from the patient.

“Evacuates the skull contents” may be more bracing than “snip,” but it doesn’t quite do justice to the process and the frightful insouciance behind it. That was left to a nurse who had watched Haskell perform the “procedure” on a six-month-old “however way you want to describe it.” She recalled that, once all but the head had been delivered,

the baby’s little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby’s arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall.

The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby’s brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. . . . He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
here you go, f, more heroes of "choice" (Alberto Giubilini,
1,2; Francesca Minerva):

CONCLUSIONS
If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for
the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an
abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of
the newborn is the same as that of the infant and if neither has
any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the
same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the
killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of
a newborn.

Two considerations need to be added.

First, we do not put forward any claim about the moment
at which after-birth abortion would no longer be permissible, and
we do not think that in fact more than a few days would be
necessary for doctors to detect any abnormality in the child. In
cases where the after-birth abortion were requested for non-
medical reasons, we do not suggest any threshold, as it depends on
the neurological development of newborns, which is something
neurologists and psychologists would be able to assess.

Second, we do not claim that after-birth abortions are good
alternatives to abortion. Abortions at an early stage are the best
option, for both psychological and physical reasons. However, if
a disease has not been detected during the pregnancy, if some-
thing went wrong during the delivery, or if economical, social or
psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the
offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then
people should be given the chance of not being forced to do
something they cannot afford.


my offer still stands;; let's see the courage of your convictions
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 13, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Apr 13, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Bookwork nails it. The Republicans have a big problem with social issues. Previously that was the property of the liberals.

There may not be a Republican Party in twenty years. There will be a centrist offshoot that would gobble up the centrists in both parties, the only ones who actually get things done.

Seriously, the right is being torn to shreds from the evangelical voice which isn't shared by most Americans.

Who hear sets their DVR to catch every episode of "The 700 Club"?

Pat Robertson is mainly nuts. The only thing sensible he has said in as far as I can remember is about marijuana.

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:26am PT
That bumper sticker is hilarious!!!

You know right wingers are usually terrible at humor (too mean spirited). But that one is really cracking me up. Of course it was unintended, but that makes it ever MORE funny!
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
a pic just for f:

Credit: bookworm

a freezer full of fetuses: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130416_Doctor_says_47_frozen_fetuses_unprecedented.html


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 16, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
That's right, take us to church and PREACH IT brother!

Credit: survival
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 16, 2013 - 12:28pm PT




bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2013 - 09:37am PT
here's some more casual reading, f; maybe you can whisper these sweet nothings to your wife...or enjoy a page or two over breakfast...or simply bask in the glorious results of your most prized "constitutional right":

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/pdfs/grandjurywomensmedical.pdf


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
wait, isn't "viability" the basis of the whole pro-abortion position? because the "fetuses" are not "viable" outside the womb, then they're not really babies...


well,

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/nyt-calls-babies-born-alive-during-gosnells-abortions-viable-fetuses


once again, f, i offer my challenge...according to nyt, you are a "viable fetus" and, as you so vehemently declare, fetuses can and should be aborted if they are "inconvenient"

you waterboard me; then, i abort you

afterwards, we can reaffirm the constitutionality of our positions...we'll accept your affirmation in writing


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2013 - 09:26am PT
legal, safe, and rare?

well, f, i guess one out of three ain't bad...at least, it's good enough for you

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/04/29/gosnells-abortion-atrocities-no-aberration-column/2122235/


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such ['viable fetuses', like f, who thinks i'm "sick"] in it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Apr 30, 2013 - 09:46am PT
Brave, noble and principled Bookworm


bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2013 - 09:21am PT
hey, bruce, haven't seen you complain about barry's drone assassinations that included an american citizen and his 16-year-old son...or show any sympathy for gosnell's victims--mothers or children


what liberalism hath wrought:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5972632/Woman-getting-married-to-fairground-ride.html


miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men it

prospero: 'tis new to thee
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 2, 2013 - 09:22am PT
ontheedge was right,

the word is "creepy"
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