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bookworm
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
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here you go, f, more heroes of "choice" (Alberto Giubilini,
1,2; Francesca Minerva):
CONCLUSIONS
If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for
the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an
abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of
the newborn is the same as that of the infant and if neither has
any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the
same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the
killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of
a newborn.
Two considerations need to be added.
First, we do not put forward any claim about the moment
at which after-birth abortion would no longer be permissible, and
we do not think that in fact more than a few days would be
necessary for doctors to detect any abnormality in the child. In
cases where the after-birth abortion were requested for non-
medical reasons, we do not suggest any threshold, as it depends on
the neurological development of newborns, which is something
neurologists and psychologists would be able to assess.
Second, we do not claim that after-birth abortions are good
alternatives to abortion. Abortions at an early stage are the best
option, for both psychological and physical reasons. However, if
a disease has not been detected during the pregnancy, if some-
thing went wrong during the delivery, or if economical, social or
psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the
offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then
people should be given the chance of not being forced to do
something they cannot afford.
my offer still stands;; let's see the courage of your convictions
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survival
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Apr 13, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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BASE104
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An Oil Field
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Apr 13, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
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Bookwork nails it. The Republicans have a big problem with social issues. Previously that was the property of the liberals.
There may not be a Republican Party in twenty years. There will be a centrist offshoot that would gobble up the centrists in both parties, the only ones who actually get things done.
Seriously, the right is being torn to shreds from the evangelical voice which isn't shared by most Americans.
Who hear sets their DVR to catch every episode of "The 700 Club"?
Pat Robertson is mainly nuts. The only thing sensible he has said in as far as I can remember is about marijuana.
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the Fet
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Apr 14, 2013 - 11:26am PT
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That bumper sticker is hilarious!!!
You know right wingers are usually terrible at humor (too mean spirited). But that one is really cracking me up. Of course it was unintended, but that makes it ever MORE funny!
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survival
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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That's right, take us to church and PREACH IT brother!
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survival
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2013 - 09:37am PT
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here's some more casual reading, f; maybe you can whisper these sweet nothings to your wife...or enjoy a page or two over breakfast...or simply bask in the glorious results of your most prized "constitutional right":
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/pdfs/grandjurywomensmedical.pdf
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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wait, isn't "viability" the basis of the whole pro-abortion position? because the "fetuses" are not "viable" outside the womb, then they're not really babies...
well,
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/nyt-calls-babies-born-alive-during-gosnells-abortions-viable-fetuses
once again, f, i offer my challenge...according to nyt, you are a "viable fetus" and, as you so vehemently declare, fetuses can and should be aborted if they are "inconvenient"
you waterboard me; then, i abort you
afterwards, we can reaffirm the constitutionality of our positions...we'll accept your affirmation in writing
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men [like f] in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2013 - 09:26am PT
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legal, safe, and rare?
well, f, i guess one out of three ain't bad...at least, it's good enough for you
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/04/29/gosnells-abortion-atrocities-no-aberration-column/2122235/
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such ['viable fetuses', like f, who thinks i'm "sick"] in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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oh, the irony...
"A 19-year-old McCaskey East High School student was charged with concealing the death of a child after she reportedly gave birth to a fetus that was found dead in a school bathroom Tuesday night."
for you libs, whose moral relativity prevents you from understanding, allow me to point it out:
how can somebody be charged with "concealing the death of a CHILD" if she only gave birth to a "fetus"?
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
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survival
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bookworm
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2013 - 09:50am PT
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what liberalism hath wrought:
so, the ohio kidnapper and child rapist canNOT be executed for kidnapping, imprisoning and raping at least three girls for 10 years based on the scotus' "evolving standards of decency" decision
how's that for a war on women (and children)? i guess libs don't consider his actions "torture"
wait, the prosecutor is considering the death penalty? because the kidnapper/racist beat one of the girls and caused her to have a miscarriage?
"2903.01 Aggravated murder.
(A) No person shall purposely, and with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy…
(F) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code."
wait, how can one "cause the death of another" when the other is not alive but simply a fetus? how can one commit "aggravated MURDER" against a "clump of cells"?
wait, doesn't this mean the fetus is given more protection than the woman carrying the fetus? see, it's "evolved decency" to spare a man who kidnaps, imprisons, and rapes a woman for 10 years and to execute a man who terminates a fetus
where's the outrage?
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
winston smith is dead
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 09:40am PT
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hey, rsin, they'll also believe you when you tell them the government can/will solve all their problems
gosnell GUILTY on three counts of PREMEDITATED murder...
BOOM!
and now faces a possible death sentence for MURDERING two people that f believes weren't alive
oh, the irony...
miranda: oh, brave new world that has such men in it
prospero: 'tis new to thee
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survival
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May 14, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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dirtbag
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May 31, 2013 - 10:38am PT
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Lol, the only one interest in bookie's sobfest is bookie.
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