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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 27, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
the alternate title of this thread: what liberalism hath wrought


in "the tempest", miranda exclaims, "oh, brave new world that has such creatures in't"; she is excited by the several men who have appeared, miraculously, on the island, the only men (besides her father and caliban) that she has ever seen

of course, her father and the audience know these men to be corrupt--calibans without the external ugliness; thus, prompting prospero's response: "'tis new to you"


orwell receives due credit for the prescience of "1984", but i think huxley was even more insightful about where humanity was headed...behold:




‘Sex box’ to get new name as parents revolt

Officials in Basel have agreed to rename the “sex box” after receiving some 3,000 letters of protest from parents angered by the controversial trove of wooden penises and fabric vaginas set to be used in a new sex education programme for playschool and primary school kids.

Christoph Eymann, Basel education minister and member of the liberal democrat party (LDP), responded to parent’s protests in an interview with SonntagsBlick.

“It was no doubt stupid to call it a ’sex box’ – we will change that. But we will stick to our goal: to get across to children that sexuality is something natural. Without forcing anything upon them or taking anything away from their parents,“ he said.

Many parents say they do not understand why sex education needs to be taught to children as young as four.

“There are usually two reasons why sexuality becomes a topic in kindergarten: either the teacher is pregnant or one of the children will soon get a new sister or brother. In such cases, it is correct that the teacher can respond”, Eymann told SonntagsBlick.

Eymann said he understood that one line in the programme, “touching can be enjoyed heartily”, could be misconstrued, but insisted: “It is not about ‘touch me, feel me’. We want to tell the children that there is contact that they may find pleasurable, but some that they should say ’no’ to. Kids can unfortunately can become victims of sexual violence already at playschool age.“

Eymann said he would prefer if sex education was taught to children at home but argued that education officials needed to respond to the realities of today.

“We currently live in an oversexualised society. There is uncontrolled distribution of pornographic material that can reach young children. Some primary school children know the TV schedule until 2am. We would like to offer these children firm support, which is often not available in the family. The box is only an aid. I trust the teachers to approach the material with care.”

Despite this, Eymann said he takes critics’ arguments seriously, and has ordered the contents of the box to be examined after finding the cover of previous teaching material tasteless.

Some parents have called for their children to be exempted from sex education. Eymann says he is strictly against exemptions, although he is aware this will not make him many friends:

“Primary school may be the only big audience that our society has. The shared values that it teaches are very important. I would definitely like to keep this. The explanatory lesson can be portrayed in a way that doesn’t offend“, he said.

Critics of public school sex education have been warning of this for decades: Once you start down the slippery slope of teaching kids about the mechanics of sex, it will invariably (in some school districts at least) eventually lead to advocacy for sex. Combine that with the relentless drive to introduce sex ed at lower and lower grades, and you end up with what’s happening in Switzerland: Telling four-year-olds how pleasurable sex is and leading them in classroom activities that are tantamount to public masturbation:

‘Sex box’ for Swiss kindergarteners has genitalia toys: will teach sexuality is pleasurable

Kindergarten children in Basel, Switzerland will be presented this year with fabric models of human genitalia in a “sex box” to teach them that “contacting body parts can be pleasurable.”

The kit for teachers to give sex-education lessons to primary school children uses models and recommends having children massage each other or to rub themselves with warm sand bags, accompanied by soft music….

I can no longer deny what I’ve long merely suspected: That many “progressive” educators use mandatory public school sex education specifically for the purpose of indoctrinating entire generations of children into being promiscuous as early as possible. Why? To cause the breakdown of the nuclear family, to pave the road for a Brave New World.

Yesterday, it only happened in fiction. Today, it happens in Switzerland. Tomorrow — coming to a school near you.



SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Aug 27, 2011 - 11:58pm PT

Too bad that Irene didn't cut the power off for BW. . . .
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Aug 28, 2011 - 12:25am PT
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survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 28, 2011 - 12:34am PT
Once you start down the slippery slope of teaching kids about the mechanics of sex, it will invariably (in some school districts at least) eventually lead to advocacy for sex. Combine that with the relentless drive to introduce sex ed at lower and lower grades, and you end up with what’s happening in Switzerland: Telling four-year-olds how pleasurable sex is and leading them in classroom activities that are tantamount to public masturbation:



BWA HA HA hahahaaa!!! Bookie is channeling Michelle Bitchman!!


*Birth = breathing = growing = hearing = seeing = learning = erection = school = lights = camera = public = masturbation = ACTION!!!

You're so right Bookie. People haven't figured sex out for the last 100,000 years. (Oooops sorry, the earth is only 6,000 years old)

Where ever did all these people come from without liberals teaching us how to masturbate in public?? BWA HA HA hahahaaaaa!!!!

Just look at all those folks beating off on the school bus in Switzerland!!!
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Aug 28, 2011 - 01:24am PT
Public Education = Socialist System

NO complaining unless you have the money for pay for your kids private education. Get busy.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2011 - 06:12am PT
‘Sex box’ for Swiss kindergarteners has genitalia toys: will teach sexuality is pleasurable

Kindergarten children in Basel, Switzerland will be presented this year with fabric models of human genitalia in a “sex box” to teach them that “contacting body parts can be pleasurable.”


yep, i'm a troglodyte because i think it's inappropriate to 1) provide KINDERGARTENERS with "genitalia toys"; 2) encourage KINDERGARTENERS to seek/practice sexual pleasure; 3) allow adults i barely know to "teach" KINDERGARTENERS about sexual pleasure


if your neighbor was offering the same "education" and sharing the same "toys" you'd have him arrested for child abuse; however, since these people are "educators" (whatever that means), you're willing to abdicate your responsibilities as parents or, worse, your responsibilities as citizens while you send your own children to private school


"'tis new to you"
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2011 - 10:51am PT
i wasn't knocking switzerland; in fact, i love the fact that everyone there owns a gun--BY LAW!


anyway, see what liberalism hath wrought: moral relativity

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/opinion/if-it-feels-right.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 13, 2011 - 11:09am PT
Get a grip dude.

How about something important like: What Conservatism Hath Wrought

*Conservative: genital mutilation

*Conservative: girls married off as children

*Conservative: Girls beaten for trying to go to school

*Conservative: Girls schools burned down

You know, important stuff....
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2011 - 07:32pm PT
what liberalism hath wrought:


Fourth-Trimester Abortion
September 13, 2011 10:43 A.M.
By Mark Steyn

From the Court of Queen’s Bench (the appellate court) in Alberta:

The Wetaskiwin, Alta., woman convicted of infanticide for killing her newborn son, was given a three-year suspended sentence Friday by an Edmonton Court of Queen’s Bench judge.

Katrina Effert was 19 on April 13, 2005, when she secretly gave birth in her parents’ home, strangled the baby boy with her underwear and threw the body over a fence into a neighbour’s yard…

Effert will have to abide by conditions for the next three years but she won’t spend time behind bars for strangling her newborn son.

Indeed. As Judge Joanne Veit puts it:

“While many Canadians undoubtedly view abortion as a less than ideal solution to unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy, they generally understand, accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childbirth exact from mothers, especially mothers without support,” she writes… “Naturally, Canadians are grieved by an infant’s death, especially at the hands of the infant’s mother, but Canadians also grieve for the mother.”

Gotcha. So a superior court judge in a relatively civilized jurisdiction is happy to extend the principles underlying legalized abortion in order to mitigate the killing of a legal person — that’s to say, someone who has managed to make it to the post-fetus stage. How long do those mitigating factors apply? I mean, “onerous demands”-wise, the first month of a newborn’s life is no picnic for the mother. How about six months in? The terrible twos?

Speaking of “onerous demands,” suppose you’re a “mother without support” who’s also got an elderly relative around with an “onerous” chronic condition also making inroads into your time?

And in what sense was Miss Effert a “mother without support”? She lived at home with her parents, who provided her with food and shelter. How smoothly the slick euphemisms — “accept and sympathize . . . onerous demands” — lubricate the slippery slope.


go ahead, google obama and the born alive infant protection act--i dare you


"tis new to you"
Douglas Rhiner

Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
Sep 13, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
I jumped over the line, na na na!

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 13, 2011 - 09:10pm PT
Get a grip dude.

How about something important like: What Conservatism Hath Wrought

*Conservative: genital mutilation

*Conservative: girls married off as children

*Conservative: Girls beaten for trying to go to school

*Conservative: Girls schools burned down

You know, important stuff....

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 13, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
you left out the Muslim part.
sullly

Trad climber
Sep 13, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
Bookworm: Had Caliban gotten Miranda with child, Prospero would be first in line with her at the island's abortion clinic. As one eng. teacher to another, I disagree with your plot interpretation of the Tempest in post one.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 13, 2011 - 09:18pm PT
you left out the Muslim part.




So? The point is that old bookie seems to think that Switzerland is Satan's realm all of a sudden.

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2011 - 09:22am PT
mother/daughter lingerie ad: appropriate or the end of the world as we know it?


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/16/are-lingerie-ads-featuring-mother-and-daughter-disturbing-or-just-darling/?test=faces
Gary

climber
From the City That Dreams
Nov 16, 2011 - 09:58am PT
bookworm, what's it like to be ruled by fear?
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Nov 16, 2011 - 10:09am PT
i'd like to know whether bookworm has raised any kids of his own. his sensibilities belong in the 1950s.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 16, 2011 - 10:16am PT
Isn't Switzerland well known for its myriad pederasts, rampant rapists, and
pervasive perverts of all colours?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2011 - 10:38am PT
tony, i'd like to know if you have pictures of your mother and sister embracing...while wearing lingerie; or your wife and mother-in-law

or if you look forward to taking pictures of your wife and daughter embracing...while wearing lingerie...and if you would display them around your house

if not, why not? perhaps your "sensibilities" might encourage you to take a few snapshots of yourself and your father embracing...while wearing jockstraps...or yourself and your son? certainly, there's nothing to "fear", right?


prospero's response: "tis new to you"
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Nov 16, 2011 - 11:18am PT
didn't answer my question, bookie, and i'll assume you haven't had kids of your own to raise.

today's kids are jaded about sex even before they reach puberty. you can thank various modern media for that, but primarily movies and the internet. if you have parental controls on there, you can bet they have friends who don't, and it really doesn't matter one way or the other. as with every generation, when kids come into their own sexuality they are faced with the dilemma of temptation versus responsibility, and perhaps they deal with it better than was done in less honest times.

the main reason hypocrisies like this rankle me is that our society does miserably in engaging young people and providing them with social structures to see them through this time. so-called primitive societies do much better, with realistic puberty/adulthood rites and traditions which have been tried and true from time immemorial. our society suffers from 2,000 years of christian negation of normal human sexuality. the best we can come up with? the senior prom. first big date. get laid! pregnant? oh, dear ...
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