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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Aug 19, 2011 - 06:51pm PT
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"...living on a portaledge will be told by two of the world's best and boldest climbers."
You mean steve and mrs. pendulums? THEY are telling the story? I think they have repeatedly told their story already and no one wanted to listen. Maybe get a different perspective if you want to sell any of these movies.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 06:56pm PT
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So it took "two of the world's best and boldest climbers" "13 consecutive days" equipped with the best modern gear available 13 consecutive days to do the second ascent?
I can't wait to see the film, but it sure sounds like it wasn't a bolt ladder!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 19, 2011 - 06:58pm PT
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Thirteen days??!!!
What? Did they have shlt on their ropes?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 07:04pm PT
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And during those 13 days they suffered "60 foot falls" and "breakdowns both physically and mentally."
I cannot wait for the Grossman-Mimi Team to do a repeat!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 07:08pm PT
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I just read the FAQ. It states that WOS is "the hardest route on El Capitan." Not "a hard route." Not "one of the hardest routes. It says "THE HARDEST ROUTE."
I assume this is coming from Ammon. He knows his sh#t. Hasn't he climbed more El Cap routes than anyone else, living or dead.
I can't wait for the film!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
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We are always looking for people who have a connection to El Cap or have been vocal about this climb over the past 29 years.
Hey PTPP, they want to talk to you!
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2011 - 07:28pm PT
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graniteclimber
You're an idiot trying to stir up sh'it.
And have you ever talked to Ammon since he came off this thing?
You'd be surprised what he said.
But you're still an idiot ......
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Aug 19, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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So the link says they need $5,000 within 59 days. Does that mean if they don't get it no film? What happens if you donate and they don't get to the 5K mark?
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
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Hey, no worries, I see the big commercial sponsors have been helping out:
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:31pm PT
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TFPU! I just pledged.
malabarista, if the project isn't funded for $5k by the due date, no one pays. They can always start again and aim for a different amount, though I'm sure the goal, or more, will be reached.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 19, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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Don't forget the Charmin and Depends.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 19, 2011 - 10:55pm PT
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graniteclimber
You're an idiot trying to stir up sh'it.
And have you ever talked to Ammon since he came off this thing?
You'd be surprised what he said.
But you're still an idiot ......
Werner, everything I quoted was taken verbatim from the film promo site. EVERYTHING!
All the jazz about "WOS being the hardest route on El Capitan", it being climbed by "two of the world's best and boldest climbers" and it taking "13 consecutive days"-- that's all directly form Ammon and Kait's promo site. If it's in quotes, they said it.
Maybe they're trying to "stir up sh'i" but that's what they said.
You calling them liars, Werner? Are they telling you stuff on the side that is different from what they are saying publicly in an effort to get sponsors and investors?
Werner, I respect you but at this point I'm going to believe what Ammon and Kait are posted publicly in print on their film promo web site over any gossip you may have heard. And I'm going to watch their film when it comes out. If this makes me an idiot, then I'm an idiot.
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Aug 20, 2011 - 08:46am PT
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maybe it will get sport bolted and become a free climb like the rest of the new free routes..
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tinker b
climber
the commonwealth
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Aug 20, 2011 - 09:04am PT
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hey i have been out of the loop for awhile, and was unsure of who kait was so i looked her up briefly. how accurate is it that she is one of the best and boldest big wall climbers when she just climbed her first big wall last year?
there is no doubt that aamon is bad ass and a great human being to boot, and that climbing with him probably steepens the learning curve, but to make someone one of the best wall climbers in a year seems hard to fathom.
well good luck to them anyway.
j
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OR
Trad climber
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Aug 20, 2011 - 09:30am PT
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Is this real? A movie about the SA of WOS? So say take all of us on the Taco who care ( I am one of them ) and all of the non taco climbers out there and family and friends and a few non climber strays and what do you get? About a couple of hundred people. We may be suffering delusions of grandeur here I think. Should this actually get made you can count me in as a buyer though :)
"Hey how can you tell if a climber has climbed El Capitan? Don't worry because they will tell you."
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
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Bump for more pledges. Let's get this film funded!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:04pm PT
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I think this has the potential to appeal to the non-climbing audience and go big.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:08pm PT
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I think they'll reach the goal simply by the carrot on a stick of getting a WOS T-shirt! I know I want one!!!(But I am b-r-o-k-e right now. As soon as I can, though, I will pledge and back the project.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:11pm PT
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"I assume this is coming from Ammon."
Thats the problem with assumptions. You have no idea if it is from Ammon or not. Probably more likely to be more spray and hype by the film promoter looking for sponsors. But that is just my speculation.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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I hope the film is better than the threads.....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:30pm PT
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If you think a film about 13 days on El Cap will "go big," I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to show you.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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Just to clear a few things up.
Kait is Ammon's partner on many climbs and was his partner for WOS, no statement was made or implied that she is the best aid climber in the world. But.....she is one of only 4 people to have done WOS.
I too believe this has a wider audience than climbers, This is a story of drama, conflict, controversy and overcoming obstacles. These characteristics are that of drama not just climbing. This is a movie about people, not a rock.
Ammon, Kait, and I have partnered up to make this film, no one is "spraying" anything that is not coming from us as a team.
Jeff Vargen
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Aug 22, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
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This is a story of drama, conflict, controversy and overcoming obstacles. These characteristics are that of drama not just climbing
Jeff,
In my not so humble opinion, the movie shouldn't be primarily about drama. We have enough of that as it is. It should be about tying up the history of the route in light of ethical approaches then and now, leveraging interviews, facts about the condition of the route. It is a route about philosophical approaches in more ways than one.
It's your guys' film to make, but I think the drama is for Hollywood, not for climbers. I won't be supporting the film as marketed, but I support Ammon and Kait for setting out to get to the heart of the matter. Consequently, if you want a dramawood film, I'd recommend getting backing from there.
cheers,
Munge
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 22, 2011 - 03:22pm PT
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Can I see the NPS permit for this commercial venture?
Tom Evans can tell you about the NPS permits required for taking pictures for money in the park and actually selling in the park too.
The book was huge and now the movie.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 22, 2011 - 03:33pm PT
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Munge,
You are absolutely right and I agree, When I say drama, it is the generic meaning of a compelling story. We are definitely not making a "Hollywood" style docudrama. As a climber myself (though of no repute) I have the same interests in the facts, feuds and controversy surrounding this climb. We want to make a film that will answer the questions climbers have as well and hold the interest of non-climbers. This is a big goal, but one worth striving for. I appreciate your comments ultimately you all our are core audience and I would be a fool not to listen to your opinions.
Jeff
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
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"the hardest route on El Capitan." Not "a hard route." Not "one of the hardest routes. "THE HARDEST ROUTE."
I see that the wording the web site was quietly changed. It now says, "It is also one of the hardest routes on El Capitan."
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YoungGun
Trad climber
Ottawa, ON
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:41pm PT
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looks like a f*#king sweet film. they should take PayPal. don't they realize lots of us dirtbags don't have credit cards?!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:51pm PT
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Pledged my support. Can't wait.
I want the history of the people and they climb. I'd love interviews with people who were against the climb BITD and what they think now, good or bad. Conflict is what makes things interesting and engaging, just look at the wos threads.
I don't think you would get a huge response for this film. It's a limited demographic of people who will seek it out. But I think it's a great story to tell, and people who are exposed from festivals, tours, etc. may be turned onto it and get into it.
I don't think you need a film permit to just use footage that was shot up there during the climb. You only need a permit if you are in a NP shooting stuff for a commercial project. So don't shoot interviews in the valley without a permit, but existing climbing footage should be no problem.
As a passion project is should be very fulfilling and interesting, but don't expect to make any money from it. :-)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 03:59pm PT
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If the film just focuses on how many enhancements there were it wouldn't appeal to non-climbers. But if you look at the bigger picture, this is one of the biggest soap operas in Valley history. This story has everything.
The young turk "newcomers" vs. the "establishment." Midnight raids on their base camp. Physical violence (throwing debris down on them). Then a 30 year blood feud with clashing egos. Finally the second ascent that answers all the questions--or does it?
If this story can't be turned into something that non-climbers are interested in, I don't know what can.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
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Jeff,
you gonna reveal the $hitters?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:05pm PT
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graniteclimber -- "this is one of the biggest soap operas in Valley history."
No it isn't. It's a stupid Supertopo soap opera. Nobody in Valley has really given a sh'it for 30 years.
And you granite tool are one of the biggest suckers to crawl into its stupid hole.
You are a fully operating soap opera and certified drama queen yourself .......
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:11pm PT
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Who's going to play Werner in the film?
Straight out of Hollywood!
Carefree antics on the edge.
The party scene - with beer and unnamed herbs/chemicals. (More females will need to be added to the movie version.)
Serious bigwall rescues
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:29pm PT
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No it isn't. It's a stupid Supertopo soap opera. Nobody in Valley has really given a sh'it for 30 years.
And you granite tool are one of the biggest suckers to crawl into its stupid hole.
You are a fully operating soap opera and certified drama queen yourself .......
Haha given a sh'it
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Aug 23, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
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Prohibited activities
Commercial filming in wilderness areas
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 24, 2011 - 05:55pm PT
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We are now also accepting paypal. Kickstarter rewards will apply to donations through Paypal. Email us for paypal info.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 06:10pm PT
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You didn't answer the question.
And why does Werner have a wind up knob on top of his head?
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Gene
climber
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Aug 24, 2011 - 06:14pm PT
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And why does Werner have a wind up knob on top of his head?
Don't all Samurai?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 24, 2011 - 06:21pm PT
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Mtucker asked: Can I see the NPS permit for this commercial venture? Of course not, why should anyone even talk to an obnoxious anonymous pimply faced snot nosed 14 year old adolescent posting to the internet from his moms basement like yourself:-)?
Might I re-recommend my proposed name for the film? "Wings of Steel, the sh#t never ends". LOL! Congrats to Ammon and Kaite.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 24, 2011 - 06:27pm PT
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Werner is wearing a Yosemite-style yarmulke, of course. With propeller and everything.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 24, 2011 - 08:10pm PT
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Ron,
If I answered ALL those questions there would be no reason to watch the film. :)
I will answer those types of questions outside the view of the thread.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 08:33pm PT
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The question was whether you would reveal them in the film.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 24, 2011 - 08:46pm PT
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TROLL
no Kickstarter support
EDIT
NOTE HIS DELETION
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Aug 26, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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Bump... just donated. Let's get this thing produced!
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 26, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
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Thanks for the support. just to clarify Ammon, Kait and I are not taking any money from the donated funds. This money is going to expenses incurred to travel to the places necessary to get the interviews that will tell this story. Transcoding some footage to HD and other post production expenses will also come from this funding.
Thanks for the support.
Jeff
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Aug 26, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
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Ammon posted this on facebook earlier today. I figured it was worth reposting here.
Looks like the producer (a friend of mine) of this film has me on the line to climb 1 day with whoever pledges 2k, or more. I will up the ante with 3 days of climbing, or for that matter; however long it takes to climb a route of your choosing, within reason of course… Nightmare on California Street is out of the question, as well as the 3rd ascent of Wings, haa haa
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 26, 2011 - 07:43pm PT
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Looks like the producer (a friend of mine) of this film has me on the line to climb 1 day with whoever pledges 2k, or more. I will up the ante with 3 days of climbing, or for that matter; however long it takes to climb a route of your choosing, within reason of course… Nightmare on California Street is out of the question, as well as the 3rd ascent of Wings, haa haa
That is a great deal. I wish I had 2k that I could spend.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 27, 2011 - 09:53am PT
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Bump for an amazing opportunity.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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Ammon ups the ante......again.
Posted on Ammons Facebook page last Friday.
Looks like the producer (a friend of mine) of this film has me on the line to climb 1 day with whoever pledges 2k, or more. I will up the ante with 3 days of
climbing, or for that matter; however long it takes to climb a route of your
choosing, within reason of course… Nightmare on California Street is out of the
question, as well as the 3rd ascent of Wings, haa haa
Wings of Steel: The Film
http://www.kickstarter.com
Ammon and Kait climb one of El Capitan's most difficult and its most controversial route,
testing the limits of their ability and their relationship.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2050292259/wings-of-steel-the-film-0
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 28, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
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A "day" of climbing with Ammon? That's an entire El Cap route, if you like!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 28, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
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A "day" of climbing with Ammon? That's an entire El Cap route, if you like!
OK SIR I WOOD LIKE TO SEE HIS AMGA CRIDENSHALLS BEFOR I CLIMED WIFF HIM I DIDNT C HIS ADD ON BACK OF ROCKIN ICE MAGAZIN OR AL PINE ASSENTS BOOKLETS SO IS IT SAFE??????
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Aug 28, 2011 - 11:54pm PT
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If only I had a couple spare big bills lying around...
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Aug 29, 2011 - 12:29am PT
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I'd pay $2000 to see Ammon take Mimi up Wings. But he won't do it for the 3rd ascent. 4th maybe?
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Aug 31, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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Come on guys, help us out. I know there's a lot of people on here who haven't pledged that want to see this film. It's going to be worth it!
Thanks to those of you who have pledged your support!
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 31, 2011 - 03:39pm PT
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New reward levels posted. Because Ammon upped the offer to 3 days of climbing for a 2k donation we are offering 1 day of climbing and Co-Producer credit for a 1K donation.
We are close....help us keep rolling.
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pk_davidson
Trad climber
Albuquerque, NM
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Aug 31, 2011 - 04:52pm PT
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No it isn't. It's a stupid Supertopo soap opera. Nobody in Valley has really given a sh'it for 30 years.
And you granite tool are one of the biggest suckers to crawl into its stupid hole.
+10
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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Will it be classified on IMDB as documentary, drama, comedy, or satire?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Aug 31, 2011 - 05:12pm PT
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Science Fiction--according to mimiandsteve...
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Aug 31, 2011 - 05:29pm PT
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I dont care to ever see the film, but would offer $ for something...
$5 for Ammon's rating (quality/difficulty)of climb?
$1 for shitters names?
$5 for description/photo of enhanced hook placements?
You can email the info, I will not disclose it without your consent.
Cheers,
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 31, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
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No shitters no pledges.
No justice no peace brah.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 31, 2011 - 05:47pm PT
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This thread has to be a joke. If the film is going to be soooo good, put up the f'n cash yourself and profit from the return. You've got talent, right? You know how to succeed at this right? Where's your money?
If I put in $3k, screw climbing up a hammered out El Cap route with some stoner that can stand in an aider, I can get that for free any time - I want investment return and some voting right on the content.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Friend of Dope Miller
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Aug 31, 2011 - 06:08pm PT
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JLP,
Instead of making an accusation, please ask a question. Have we put any of our own money into the project? YES, we have put a lot of our own money into the project. The money raised from kickstarter will help, but it is in no way the entire budget.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 31, 2011 - 06:34pm PT
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with some stoner that can stand in an aider,
Don't know or care if Ammon is a stoner... But "Can't stand up in aiders"? Have you seen his resume?
Prod.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 31, 2011 - 06:36pm PT
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Dude - you're looking for 5k.
How much are you putting in yourself? Where is your business plan?
5k is an insanely tiny amount of money for someone who is an experienced professional at anything. When I read that, I have visions of people who don't know what they are doing.
Therefore, IMO, anyone with 5k laying around is either going to gift it to you in liu of their wknd supply of coke, or they're going to want some control - or they're just not very smart - ie, probably don't have 5k laying around.
I'm just not seeing success here beyond getting it done with dirtbagging skills.
If you had a trailer you could show people, that might change things. However, you have nothing. There are no resumes on that site, no examples of past work, no plan for the 5k - nothing. I would feel like I am burning my money.
You want to list someone's name on a movie 100 people will watch? I can get someone to write my name in the sky over New York for less than 5k.
You're asking for 5k because you think WOS is significant - it isn't. If it was, people would actually climb it. You think Ammon is special and talented - sorry to be honest with you on that one. Hint: where are his sponsers? He should be in ads with Tommy and Alex, right? Your only sell is that you're an interesting story teller - ala the Jules Verne story in Scary Faces - but thus far I see no examples of this either.
I'll pass.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Aug 31, 2011 - 06:41pm PT
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JLP,
No wonder Ammon never bothers to post here. Do you know him? If you did you wouldn't talk sh#t. This could be a great film because the STORY is potentially great. If you think the route isn't signifigant, well, "that's just like your opinion, man". Why don't you go climb it and tell us then.
Edit: removed gratuitous insult
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 31, 2011 - 06:49pm PT
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I'm fine with being an ass. I'm pretty familiar with the A5 on El Cap scene, since long before Ammon got there. Your egos and your vanity are like the Hindenburg - same as the FA team.
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BrentA
Gym climber
Roca Rojo
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Aug 31, 2011 - 07:07pm PT
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Good on Ammon for making a buck, and pimpin all the paparrazzi.
Past that, this doesn't seem too commercially viable.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Aug 31, 2011 - 07:28pm PT
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You're right, I mean, it's not gonna be Vertical Limit or anything. Pshaw..
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Aug 31, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
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I have no prediction on the quality of this film. As I said, there is nothing to base a prediction on.
The issue I have is begging the climbing community for money with zero to give back except the opportunity to spend time and be named with the narcisistic prince himself. Not even a worthy cause mentioned for any profits. I think someone is on crack.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 31, 2011 - 08:05pm PT
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What did you expect? They're hookers.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 31, 2011 - 08:12pm PT
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What did you expect? They're hookers.
Funny.
Prod.
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Seth Jackson
Trad climber
Yreka
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Aug 31, 2011 - 08:30pm PT
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JPL I started this thread, not the filmmaker. I do know him through climbing though and most likely you do not. I doubt seriously if you would say any the the sh&@t you are saying to the face of Wolf, or Ammon.
You seem to spend a lot of time and energy on something you profess to care nothing about, move along ..........do you spend your life railing against stuff you hate? Watch TV shows you don't?
Quit trying to be a schoolyard bully, it's getting sad and is so pathetic.
And Piton Ron....we know your credentials and they are impressive, but you're a one note musician, why SOOOO much interest in the sh@&ters . We get it you don't care about this climb or movie.....move on.
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kaitb
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Aug 31, 2011 - 08:55pm PT
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JLP - Ammon is nowhere close to being a narcisistic prince . If anything, he is WAY TOO modest. And by the way, keep to vocabulary you can actually spell. It's narcissistic. You missed an 's'.
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