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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 9, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
What's your source for Best's bomb load,

Best himself.

Just out of coincidence a couple of days before your post I'd seen a fairly old documentary on Midway with some interviews of Best interspersed throughout.

The gist of his statement was that when they left the briefing room and got to the flight deck they were a bit irritated when they saw their planes only loaded with only one 500lb bomb and two 100lb incendiaries.

In a later snipet he tells of hitting the carrier "right in the meatball insignia on the forward flight deck" and the two incendiaries hitting amidships.

I believe there was a footnote on the trailer that he died shortly after production.

Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Sep 9, 2013 - 03:23pm PT

Currently enjoying the Watchmen. Cold War and comics....

Nice break from 'my normal reading list'.

cf. http://www.amazon.com/Watchmen-Alan-Moore/dp/1401222668

Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Sep 9, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
TGT, I think you're going to have to read Shattered Sword, because they make a huge case for Akagi being hit by only one bomb, despite what has appeared in American sources (most of which claim many hits).

Although I can't account for the documentary, that sounds pretty convincing.

But I bet they have. You should check out "the Midway Roundtable" if you haven't already.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Sep 9, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Also, just finished Sebastian Junger's War, which I found pretty riveting.

Kept me awake into the wee hours Sunday morning.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 9, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Best's claim in the interview was that he was the only one that hit the Akagi and he thought that what sunk it was not the 500lb bomb, but the incendiaries burned thru the decks into the torpedo magazine.

That only makes sense if they were a thermite (magnesium)type incendiary. The only one I can find are the M50A1 that were dropped as a 100lb cluster They were introduced in the spring of 42. Doolittle did use them for his raid but they were specially packaged. So it's an open question if they were even available in the theater.

The earlier 100 lb incendiary was a thin cased repurposed chemical warfare early version in napalm or WP and wouldn't have been effective at all on a carrier except against exposed planes and personnel on the deck.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
Brave Men. Ernie Pyle
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
hey there say, all...

remember to try out my novels and short stories that are based on them...


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jake smith ranch series...

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am soon going to get the isbn numbers so you won't have to order online from
lulu.com... should be able to order from bookstores then...
MisterE

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
A little light reading:



I found it rather pedestrian, so I am switching off occasionally with another breezy jaunt:

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Double Indemnity
Dickbob

climber
Westminster Colorado
Sep 23, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Love King or hate him you must admit that you are curious what has become of little Danny Torrance over the last 35 years. Doctor Sleep by Stephen King. The sequel to the Shining.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Sep 23, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
A little sci-fi deviation: Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained by Peter Hamilton.

Loving them.

Recommended to my son and me by our own Tom Lambert.
sullly

Trad climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Happy Banned Book Week! Long live controversial fiction. Here's the list of most challenged classics:

1. The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott Fitzgerald
2. The Catcher in the Rye, by J.D. Salinger
3. The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
4. To Kill a Mockingbird, by Harper Lee
5. The Color Purple, by Alice Walker
6. Ulysses, by James Joyce
7. Beloved, by Toni Morrison
8. The Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
9. 1984, by George Orwell

11. Lolita, by Vladmir Nabokov
12. Of Mice and Men, by John Steinbeck

15. Catch-22, by Joseph Heller
16. Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley
17. Animal Farm, by George Orwell
18. The Sun Also Rises, by Ernest Hemingway
19. As I Lay Dying, by William Faulkner
20. A Farewell to Arms, by Ernest Hemingway

23. Their Eyes Were Watching God, by Zora Neale Hurston
24. Invisible Man, by Ralph Ellison
25. Song of Solomon, by Toni Morrison
26. Gone with the Wind, by Margaret Mitchell
27. Native Son, by Richard Wright
28. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, by Ken Kesey
29. Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut
30. For Whom the Bell Tolls, by Ernest Hemingway

33. The Call of the Wild, by Jack London

36. Go Tell it on the Mountain, by James Baldwin

38. All the King's Men, by Robert Penn Warren

40. The Lord of the Rings, by J.R.R. Tolkien

45. The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair

48. Lady Chatterley's Lover, by D.H. Lawrence
49. A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
50. The Awakening, by Kate Chopin

53. In Cold Blood, by Truman Capote

55. The Satanic Verses, by Salman Rushdie

57. Sophie's Choice, by William Styron

64. Sons and Lovers, by D.H. Lawrence

66. Cat's Cradle, by Kurt Vonnegut
67. A Separate Peace, by John Knowles

73. Naked Lunch, by William S. Burroughs
74. Brideshead Revisited, by Evelyn Waugh
75. Women in Love, by D.H. Lawrence

80. The Naked and the Dead, by Norman Mailer

84. Tropic of Cancer, by Henry Miller

88. An American Tragedy, by Theodore Dreiser

97. Rabbit, Run, by John Updike
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Ten of the Traveling Band books.

In Mr. Whipple's famous critical article about Kerouac, he described his world as 'anything but charming.'

But there is a charm about the road, starting with Charley and his travels with Steinbedeck, which didn't make the list, but then here it be, golly gee.

Cannery Row
and Sweet Thursday
and Of Mice and Men by Steinbedeck
On the Road by T.P. “Jack” Kerouac
Joe Hill by Wallace Stegner
The Adventures of Hucklebery Finn by Mark Twain
[“All American literature comes out of Huckleberry Finn.“--Hemingway]
The Further Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Greg Matthews
The Incredible Journey by Sheila Bumford
The Longest Walk by Slawomir Rawicz
The Journeyer by Gary Jennings
The Fool's Progress by Edward Abbey
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
97. Rabbit, Run, by John Updike

Read that a couple years ago. Had never heard of it, nor read any Updike before that. Surprised it would make that list as it doesn't seem to be widely known. All the others I've at least heard of, if not read.

What happened to your list though? Lots of missing numbers. I've read about 2/3 of those.
sullly

Trad climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Elcap, I got it from the National Library Association. They update it every year. Maybe the missing numbers are titles no longer challenged. I'm shocked The Kite Runner isn't listed. So many schools assign it. The assault of Hassan is pretty graphic.

If you like Updike, look into Cheever. Love those guys: mid century WASPs stuck in suburbia.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Sully, you mean those are the books that librarians are most asked to jerk
from the shelves? The Great Gatsby, are you kidding me? Yawn...

Now, I can see that it would be hard to keep The Satanic Verses on
the shelves in Teheran, Amsterdam, or Detroit, but here?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
Just finished this one. Pretty interesting if you like Bodie and the East side of the Sierra

dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Sep 24, 2013 - 10:11am PT
That looks like a good one Stahlbro. Will have to buy that one on Ebay today, thanks.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 10:18am PT
DC, if that excites u check out Death Valley to Yosemite: Frontier mining Camps & Ghost Towns - well written and focuses more on the people - some amazing stories. We're sooo weak!
sullly

Trad climber
Sep 24, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Reilly, the list signifies titles most frequently challenged or banned by communities and school boards.

Gatsby is probably banned due to the Tom/Myrtle affair, the Daisy/Gatsby affair, the anti-Semitic depiction of gangster Meyer Wolfsheim and the references to Blacks as "Bucks."

Gatsby "Yawn"= sacrilege; I adore that book
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