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Norman Claude

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 18, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
Vern Clevenger just called to let me know that the Black Kaweah summit register and register box were gone from the summit of this classic Sierra peak.

The register and box may be safely archived at the Bancroft library. I hope this is the case.

Anyone interested in the history of Sierra registers can read the excellent article written by Robin Ingraham Jr. posted on my website:wildernesslight.com.

After having read this article the topic for discussion becomes what to do with any remaining historical registers. The major peaks in the range have had the registers saved, stolen and or destroyed.

I'll let the group know what I'll be doing. I'm going to take down any and all historic registers I find and saving these at the Bancroft.

Before you attack my position you need to read Robin's article. And if you still want to castigate me you need to take a number. The Sierra Club's magazine "Sierra" already ripped me a new one when they titled a piece I wrote "Did He Do the Right Thing". This was in reference to me having brought the Mount Woodworth register down for safe keeping at the Bancroft. (The editor of the magazine requested that I write the piece and I stupidly agreed to his request to edit.) 1895 summit note from Boton Coit Brown and original register on Sierra Club stationary listing John Muir as the club president. And yes you can still see this register, unlike the many that are now....gone.The Sierra magazine article advertised that the Black Kaweah register was still at home on the peak summit.

Norman Claude
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 18, 2011 - 10:30pm PT
IMHO, they belong on the mountain, not in some library. I have good friends that say otherwise. Good and persuasive arguments are made both ways. I respect that.

Signing that Black Kaweah register was a thrill and a very sublime moment. Nobody seeing it in the library will feel the same way.

So it goes.
squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
Jul 18, 2011 - 10:36pm PT
WTF? this is BULLSH#T!!

here's the link failed above for your clicky pleasure.
http://wildernesslight.com/
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jul 18, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
How about a compromise? Keep the originals at the Bancroft and put photocopies of them back on the mountain?
squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
Jul 18, 2011 - 10:46pm PT
good idea, but put the photocopies in the Bancroft.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jul 19, 2011 - 01:42am PT
Claude, thank you for this critical work to preserve the historical record for all to see and know forever. I hope Black Kaweah’s isn’t on some thief’s bookshelf in Visalia or Pixley. All can appreciate the thrill of finding the original sheets in the can or jar buried under the cairn on the summit, but if it’s missing and replaced with copies, that is much better than a total vacancy of anything. This is 2011, after all.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:04am PT
What gives you the right to take the register away from the mountain?????????????? Every time I climb a peak I want to sign or at least see the original register. It is like a sweet pay off for the work that has been done. I give a sh#t less to go to a library to look at it.

Couple of weeks ago I climbed a spire that is climbed about once a week. It was nice to see a little can up there with FA party signature in it, and a bunch of other people signed it too (some are even members here). It was sweet to see it, and it wouldn't be the same to see it in the library. Hope you change your mind about taking these registers.
The Wedge

Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
Jul 19, 2011 - 04:14am PT
Good all those registars are considered litter and crap anyway.....in my book. Take only picture leave only footprints kill nothing but time.
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:15am PT
Someone has it and good for them..

Better than burning up in another fire.

Keep the History in the Mountains.
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:36am PT
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:39am PT
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:43am PT
These things are not historical artifacts. They have little meaning to those who have not climbed the requisite formation.

Very true. Who outside of California climbers have ever heard of Norman Clyde? Hell, most California climbers have never heard of Norman Clyde. I'd wager more people know of Glen Dawson by way of his unique book store rather than climbing.
Adamame

climber
Santa Cruz
Jul 19, 2011 - 10:48am PT
Last summer I climbed Black Kaweah in July with Connor, a boy that I have mentored through climbing, and we were treated to one of the most incredible and challenging experiences of our lives. Opening that summit register and seeing the names of Norman Clyde, Jules Eichorn, Glen Dawson, and W. A. Starr written in blood was among the most special moments of my life. Hearing that the half filled original register was removed makes me feel like a part of the mountain was ripped out. The book seemed perfectly preserved to me and you could feel the love of how it was packaged, protected, and cherished by the others who passed there.

Doesn't the Antiquities Act protect items like this in the National Park System? Stop this madness of removing registers. These registers should live and die on their mountains.

Here are some photos of our experience on the summit last year.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:02am PT
Great place and time to discuss these issues!

The proper approach would be to scan the original, reproduce it and replace it. A well-scanned, bound reproduction with lots of new room would be the ticket, IMO. Archive the original. The value and allure of the older signatures is likely what prompts people to swipe them in secret.

Having the undocumented registers disappear into a single individual's possession is the worst outcome unless that register eventually gets passed along to a concerned indidvidual. Not usually the case with estates.

Those of you that don't consider summit registers as historically significant have a rather odd view of history. People, places and climbs and the web of interactions that result define history.

Royal did the right thing with the Sentinel register by transcribing the prior contents to the best of his ability leaving more room for the future.

The amount of history that has flowed from that register alone is considerable. Look at Guido's sleuthing out the Sacherer-Cochrane route from the Coonyard register properly and accessibly archived.

The Golden State Registry would be a gem of a project with so many FAers still around and posting here.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:15am PT
Well said Steve and Claude at this point in time I agree with the preservation of these registers. They are history, maybe not to the masses, but climbin IS part of the history in this state and country and it should be preserved. I personally enjoy reading the history of climbing, gives me a better appreciation for what I do, gives me insight to the people that came before me and sometimes gives me clues and inforamation to climbs I'm gonna go do.
Hey Claude, I have this copy of Yosemite Climber with some HISTORICAL signatures in it. Next time I'm fly fishing or craggin the east side, would love to get you to sign it!
Peace
Urmas

Social climber
Sierra Eastside
Jul 19, 2011 - 11:33am PT
The early pages of that register with the entries written in blood were removed a few years ago and replaced with photocopies. This seems like a good policy that preserves the historical record, while allowing future ascentionists the pleasure of reading the entries. Whether the originals remain on the peak, and copies reside in a library, or the other way around, doesn't matter much in my opinion. It won't be long before this becomes a moot issue, however. As someone opined in the Sentinel thread, the really historic ascents were made before 1970. Climbing, at least in the Sierras has matured as a sport to the point where each ascent - with some exceptions of course - is an athletic accomplishment with a fairly predictable outcome, rather than an adventure in the traditional sense.
krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
Jul 19, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
Don’t bother with the copies it just more annoying trash on the summit top. I always found the copies to be condescending in a way.

Given the functionality of modern cameras why couldn’t you just give the museum a digital archive or is it a fetish with old historical things?

You do realize every time you remove a register you make the Sierras a little less wild. I’ll never go the Bancroft mausoleum, but I probably got a few more trips in the Sierras in me; thanks for ensuring they’ll be a little less possibility of discovery.

I won’t be taking any registers off the mountain; but I’d rather see it sitting on somebody’s shelf or tossed, than stolen by the illuminati of historical fetish. Dust in the wind; just let it be.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 19, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
Climbing, at least in the Sierras has matured as a sport to the point where each ascent - with some exceptions of course - is an athletic accomplishment with a fairly predictable outcome, rather than an adventure in the traditional sense.

Really? Climbing in the Sierra feels very adventurous to me, and the outcome doesn't always seem so certain at the time.

Nice post by adamame btw.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Jul 19, 2011 - 03:55pm PT
I suppose its asking to much for the summit registers at Bancroft Library to be scanned and available for viewing online?
Norman Claude

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2011 - 12:02am PT
As I feared many who have posted did not read Robin's article. The original blessing of removing registers and archiving them at the Bancroft was that of the Sierra Club. The modern preservation of registers was promoted by Jules Eichorn, Glen Dawson, Richard Leonard and David Brower.

Norman Clyde was also a proponent and participant in register preservation.

Please feel free to post that these has been climbers had their heads in the wrong place. And by the way if you don't know who these gentlemen are you don't belong on this thread.

What a lovely thought that original registers could remain intact on summits. I dare say I know the thrill of having found MANY original registers and left them where they belonged. On the summit.

Unfortunately, at this time that's a naive point of view. The registers are being ripped off.

Yes the Bancroft is a sterile place for a noble scroll, but who's to say what the worth of the record may be in the future.

And if you were lucky enough to have read an original topo in Chuck Pratt's binder in Camp 4 you know what an awesome and spine chilling thrill it was to look at that piece of lore. Until it was ripped off of course. So let me get this straight. Leave the binder on the Camp 4 picnic table?

Norman Claude



BBA

climber
OF
Jul 20, 2011 - 12:46am PT
I asked the Bancroft about posting the Starr King register "as is" and they said "NO". So I transcribed it, added comments and made a book out of it and they thought it was very fine indeed even though it was still the whole register on every other page. Go figure. I'm reminded of T.E. Lawrence who said of his book, Seven Pillars of Wisdom (which is really cool history), "There are no lessons for the world, no disclosures to shock peoples. It is filled with trivial things, partly that no one mistakes for history the bones from which some day a man may make history."

I say transcribe the registers and make then searchable as I've done with Starr King. The Bancroft will probably come around on that. Trouble is, it's work.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 20, 2011 - 02:03am PT
These registers ARE a historical record of California, even if some of you don't think they are. You might consider the fact that if there is no history of something, there is no value to it, either. I appreciate that a lot of climbers walk through their lives feeling valueless, but that doesn't mean that the entire activity was for naught and should be forgotten as though it never happened. It has been a common strategy through history that when you want to destroy someone, you erase them.

I've had different feeling about the registers over the years, but I'm very clear now.....and that is because of the thieves, who's goal is to destroy the existance and history of climbing in the Sierra, like it never happened. Its as though, by destroying the record of Clyde, Starr, Brower, et al, that they never existed, and what they did can be ignored as forgotten. Norman who?
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 20, 2011 - 10:00am PT
Its as though, by destroying the record of Clyde, Starr, Brower, et al, that they never existed, and what they did can be ignored as forgotten. Norman who?
The history of those guys CAN'T be destroyed by ripping off a summit register!!





Take digital photos of all the pages for your library and leave the registers where they belong.

Jeebus, we're not talking about the original Gutenberg bible or something.
The Alpine

Big Wall climber
Jul 20, 2011 - 10:51am PT
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Jul 20, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
I was up on Mt. Dana this past Sunday. There was about 5 of us looking for the register with no luck.
Adamame

climber
Santa Cruz
Jul 20, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
I was up on Mt. Dana this past Sunday. There was about 5 of us looking for the register with no luck.

I had the same problem on Half Dome. Too many people climb Mt. Dana for a summit register to be justified.
squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
Jul 20, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
The modern preservation of registers was promoted by Jules Eichorn, Glen Dawson, Richard Leonard and David Brower.

Norman Clyde was also a proponent and participant in register preservation.

Please feel free to post that these has been climbers had their heads in the wrong place. And by the way if you don't know who these gentlemen are you don't belong on this thread.

So? They are just people. I have a ton of respect for every name there, but I can still disagree with them, they're opinion as people carries no more weight than mine or yours on this subject. If it's history, then someone laid it there, others signed in, preserving history means leaving it the way it is, if you want to take them down then your a proponent of them not being placed to begin with, maybe someone should let Norman know..
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jul 20, 2011 - 03:49pm PT
Really, with all the honesty...I live about 20 minutes from that Berkeley library, BUT never had the desire to go and see the original summit registers that were ripped out from those mountains. IMO people that place them into the library are no better than individuals that took original Black Kaweah register. JUST MY OPINION.

Climbing community is not that huge, if person that took the original summit register is reading it...PLEASE do the right thing and put it back where it belongs. I thought about going up to Black Kaweah this year, and this original register was one of the reasons why I wanted to go there. It would be a great feeling sitting there alone and reading the entries from long time ago. I really enjoy it....ON the summit, NOT in a library.

As long as there is one example of NC, Muir, Dawson, Don Jensen etc in that library what is the point of collecting all?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 20, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
I find a huge difference between temporary removal of a register for archiving at Bancroft, and its theft for use by some private souvenir hunter. I think the use of modern digital cameras for recording in situ is a great idea. Of course, Bancroft Library, being part of the U.C. system, is short of funds so we need to volunteer to do this. Anyone interested? I don't have that good a camera, but I'd love to participate as I can. Besides, I haven't seen Claude or Vern in about 35 years, so maybe I can see them and talk about old times.

John
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Jul 20, 2011 - 04:28pm PT
For me, a summit register is a palpable connection to the people who have come before me. It is a special shared experience whose value is in the context of the PLACE. It's a sort of time-shifted first hand experience that loses that facet of its meaning in a museum. To take it to a library is to capture the physical or intellectual history, but to rob it of its spiritual essence.

It's like breaking off a stalactite in a cave to take to a museum. Sure you preserve it, but you kill it's future growth and dilute the in-situ experience of all who follow, who are arguably the most entitled to sharing in that raw experience.

It would be way more cool to read the actual paper and ink or pencil from past ages, versus a photocopy while an original sits in a museum. For me, that spiritual essence is transmitted from the original hand to the ink or pencil on that paper, which I can see and touch and smell.

It was a very special experience for me to sit on top of Black Kaweah almost 20 years ago, before I learned to climb with ropes. It's one of my fondest memories, including sitting on the small pinnacle and reading the dramatic writing style of the first ascent (from notes we brought with us), which is actually a pretty mellow climb. It made our ascent seem more cool, more important, more meaningful to us.

Edit: All of the above said, I appreciate the effort to mine this data and preserve it for later reflection and contemplation by those who are no longer able to get to it first hand. I think there is a lot of power and community value in this effort, but it should be done in a way that honors the spiritual essence of the primary first-hand experiences.

Take pictures, leave the register!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jul 20, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
For me, a summit register is a palpable connection to the people who have come before me. It is a special shared experience whose value is in the context of the PLACE. It's a sort of time-shifted first hand experience that loses that facet of its meaning in a museum. To take it to a library is to capture the physical or intellectual history, but to rob it of its spiritual essence.

It's like breaking off a stalactite in a cave to take to a museum. Sure you preserve it, but you kill it's future growth and dilute the in-situ experience of all who follow, who are arguably the most entitled to sharing in that raw experience.

100%

Beautiful words.
oldtopangalizard

Social climber
ca
Jul 20, 2011 - 06:15pm PT
Tough one. I always loved the idea of seeing the classic entries in the registers. In the 70's and 80's, when I got my fat butt up the juicy peaks, you could count on some old entries. Those days disappeared when the aholes got off the couch and actually took a hike.
It's unfortunate, but I feel the books should be protected and removed. It's only a matter of time before the lowlifes remove them, never to be seen again.
I do like the idea of a copy on the summit, but that is endless hours of work on somebody's part.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 25, 2011 - 08:45pm PT
Bancroft does not have the register.
R.B.

Trad climber
47N 122W
Jul 26, 2011 - 01:20am PT
Back in the early '60's, my dad was climbing the east face of Mt. Whitney via the Shakey Leg Crack Var.

Near the summit, he came upon the summit register that was thrown over the edge by tourists. He collected it up, and after contacting the Sierra Club, sent it to them for archiving.

There were some really cool old names in that registry. I can only guess that the club still has it, since it has been over 50 years now.

Anyways, it sounds like that is in Sequoia N.P., so anyone who may be in posession of the summit register should 'man' up and give it to the Park Historian. The NPS would archive it.

But in any case, if it is still missing, then I would suggest looking downslope within a 100' radius searching for it. It's either on the slope of the summit or it's in someones library.

R.B.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 26, 2011 - 01:22am PT
R.B.

Trad climber
47N 122W
Jul 26, 2011 - 01:32am PT
Is this a photo of the summit? If so, I'm thinking library then.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 26, 2011 - 01:52am PT
With all due respect to the Bancroft library for its work at preservation of history (not just climbing history either) and to Norman Claude for making a decision to preserve, I do not agree with a formal or even grass roots efforts to remove registers to be stored in hermetically sealed containers in Berkeley.

These things are not historical artifacts. They have little meaning to those who have not climbed the requisite formation. I'll pick a peak at random, one that I have climbed in fact, oh let's say Temple Crag... would I drive to Berkeley and ask permission to see the summit register I never saw while actually at the summit?

Personally, I'd be in favor of no registers. Second choice would be to leave the existing ones in place until they rot.

The Bancroft doesn't initiate collection of registers. The registers come to the B because they belong to The Sierra Club. SC reps (not The B) take them down and then deposit them. At some point, The Sierra Club decided it was a historically significant organization and decided to donate its collection to a major research archive. And its collection included summit registers. Apparently, the vast majority of registers on technical peaks in Cali were originally placed by the SC back when neither NPS nor the USFS nor the BLM cared about that sort of deal. Today, it's technically illegal to place a register within NPS boundaries w/o a permit.

The B doesn't have the dough even to replace major curators when they retire, let alone enough to hire folks to process random boxes packed off of weird hunks of decomposing crap out in the boonies. Not something I would urge The B to spend money on. Processing SC Summit Registers wouldn't be (isn't) high on my priority list, nor on that of B admins, given the insane budget problems the archive faces.

So why did all this end up at The B? I haven't done the research to footnote an answer, but a quick-and-dirty judgment would go like this:

The Sierra Club decided to archive its collection about the time that

1. SC Members decided The SC had an epic place in US History;
2. Costs of archival maintenance became really high.

My guess is that registers got included in the SC Collection and sent to The B partly because register maintenance had become an irritant (whining over false entries, bad penmanship, water stains, illegal drugs, misplaced canisters, missing pencils, etc.) , and partly because the maintenance of big chunks of metal and paper on high peaks clashed with the "Leave No Trace" ethic that developed in 60s and 70s.

So if the register isn't on the summit of the peak you just climbed, and it makes you feel bad, don't blame The B.

For the record, to the best of my recollection, in my career, I have signed two summit registers: one on an obscure summit in the Elbsandsteingebirge where I made the only entry in English (ostentatiously signed, KLK, AAC), and another on a weirdly under-climbed peak in the Cascades, where we had just done a first ascent and got to sign in right after a buddy who had done the dog/Beckey route a few years before (rip Dallas, we miss you buddy).



Meaty

climber
Jul 26, 2011 - 01:59am PT
Too bad for those that really care about all the missing box covers (trash on summits) and the registers within. Robin made a huge mistake by being a bolt chopping schmuck or perhaps they'd still be on summits instead of getting tossed off those summits.I know where a few are, hundreds of feet below a few summits. Rumor has it that a few didn't get tossed and just might be around on display?? LOL!!!
Bolts were chopped by Robin and Bachar and a few others, Robin had started a campaign to preserve summit registers and those registers became targets for some that had bolts chopped. Vandals got some crap thrown right back in their faces. They're cowards and just didn't want to admit they'd chopped bolts.
The untold stories of the bolt wars make for some interesting conversation.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 26, 2011 - 09:28am PT
The Bancroft library has the personnel and the desire to archive these registers and does so willingly. The Sierra Club believes in archiving these registers, on the other hand the Sierra Peaks Section of the Angeles Chapter has come out in favor of leaving them on the peaks. There is no monolithic consensus it seems.

The Bancroft does not have the register in question.

-----Original Message

From: xxxxxx@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:xxxxx@library.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:11 PM
To: XXXXXXXXX
Cc: xxxxx@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: RE: ...Historic Sierra Peak Registers...

No Black Kaweah registers have arrived here recently. We just have the
one in Carton 4, dated 1921-1927, 1935. I hope you can track this one
down. Keep me posted, please.
BBA

climber
OF
Jul 26, 2011 - 09:35am PT
"In September 1970 the Sierra Club Board of Directors designated The Bancroft Library of the University of California at Berkeley as the official depository for the club’s archives. The large collection of records, photographs and other memorabilia known as the “Sierra Club Papers” is thus permanently protected. If one wishes to see the Starr King Registers, one may visit the library and request the Sierra Club Peak Register for Mt Starr King, CATALOG RECORD BANC MSS 71/293 carton 17."

Or, you can pay $35 for a microfilm of it.

Some people like history. Some people have a streak of vandalism. Everyone self justifies. Takes all kinds. Things you think and do change as you age.
Meaty

climber
Jul 26, 2011 - 10:08am PT
Some people like history, some people don't consider summit registers history. Some people have a streak of vandalism, some people consider summit registers vandalism/litter. Everyone self justifies, some could care less and need no justification for removing litter. Takes all kinds. Things you think and do change as you age, and some that once viewed these registers as historical no longer feel that way.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 26, 2011 - 10:15am PT
BTW, that Alice B Carter of Claremont really got around. I've seen her name other places.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Jul 26, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
Let me be clear: Since the Registers were designated part of The Collection by The Sierra Club, the Registers are kept by The Bancroft as they come in.

As they are processed, they become available for view in the reading room. My guess is that the most fragile ones will end up in conservation until they can be stabilized or photographed. But that takes a lot of dough, and I don't know what the processing budget looks like for that collection.

Typically, it's much easier to get donors to pony up dough for big purchases than it is to get folks to donate money for the associated labor. The B has had to radically cut back its opening hours over the last few years due to budget cuts, and is currently horrifically understaffed.

If folks really want to have better access to the summit registers, I imagine the Bancroft would be open to having a donor step up and fund the labor to digitize the things (contingent upon the original contract allowing for that sort of thing). I haven't searched for any of them, so don't know if any of them are online now.

So far as The B doing anything with them, I can easily imagine a register with Brower or Adams in it turning up in a display on mountaineering or The Sierra Club, if The Library does one. Generally, there are one to two small, themed exhibits per year. And sometimes there are loan arrangements with other institutions.

But if this is an issue you feel really strongly about, then join the SC and start agitating to put this item on the agenda.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Jul 3, 2012 - 10:16am PT
In today's LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-summit-registers-20120703,0,7345895.story

It's a question Glen Dawson never had to consider when he was scrambling across the top of California in the years before World War II.

"I don't understand why anyone would take them," he said. "It may not be a matter of law. But it is a matter of ethics."

Dawson, who recently turned 100, is a legend of California mountaineering — the last living vestige of an era of extraordinary exploration.

Dawson shared rope with men who summited peaks before the advent of motion pictures. He is credited with dozens of first ascents. A mountain is named after him. A photo of Dawson belaying a partner up a knife-edged peak hangs in his Pasadena living room. It was shot by his friend Ansel Adams.

His signature is in countless summit registers. Some remain in the wild. Many are in the Bancroft Library. How many are in curio cabinets may never be known.

Told the Black Kaweah register had vanished, Dawson shakes his head in resignation.

"The Sierra has changed…" He doesn't finish the thought. But his point is clear.
Barbarian

Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
Jul 3, 2012 - 11:39am PT
Somewhere in the Sierra is a band-aid can with 5 names (1st ascent party) in it. It is protected from the elements by a zip-lock bag. If you happen upon it, please leave it on the mountain. It has no purpose in a library. i don't think any other register should be removed either.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jul 3, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
Somewhere in the Sierra is a band-aid can with 5 names (1st ascent party) in it. It is protected from the elements by a zip-lock bag. If you happen upon it, please leave it on the mountain. It has no purpose in a library. i don't think any other register should be removed either.

+10000

Summit registers lose their value after being placed in a library. A few examples of Dawson, Clyde, Underhill etc signatures is enough. Why try to collect all of them? Makes me sick this register war....
10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Jul 3, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
How long was the register on Mt. Barnard. It was there in 1980. It was the last remaining register with Norman Clyde's signature(I think).
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Jul 3, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
10b, there are more registers out there with Norman Clyde's signature, but they are in way out of the way places.
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