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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 19, 2006 - 12:06pm PT
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I'm new to the forum but when I first started climbing I taped some pretty good TV shows on climbing. I just found the long lost tape and have moved the following to DVD:
Henry Barber and Pete Livsey on Liberator in EB's and only hexes.
Henry Barber on-sight soloing Strand
Bachar training and soloing in Yosemite
Bachar training and soloing in JT - Leave it to Beaver
Kauk, Bev Johnson, and Braun attempting to free Nose (with swami belts)
Kurt Albert and Gullich on Rostrum and Separate Reality
You guys may already have copies of these shows but let me know if the participants might want to get their hands on some of these. I can only play the DVD I made on my TV. The format isn't recognized on any of my computers for some reason.
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SammyLee
Trad climber
Memphis
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Feb 19, 2006 - 01:58pm PT
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Me too. I'll pay most any reasonable fee.
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Don't let go
Trad climber
Yorba Linda, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 02:09pm PT
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That sounds really cool. Can I get one two? By the way, what DVD discs are you using? There are several types and even more formats that you can put the video files into. Perhaps someone with more computer savy than myself could give you advice on that.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 02:14pm PT
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dogfather - Woah! I've seen all those at one time or another - pretty amazing archive - hard to get stuff. I'm guessing the Yosemite stuff with me is the "PM Magazine" or "Evening Magazine" TV show and the Leave it to Beaver stuff is either the "That's Incredible" or "Real People" TV show.
I had copies of that stuff once but I lost them all in a house fire two years ago. Reardon (and others) have tried to hunt down the originals but those companies have been bought and sold so many times since then, no one can find them in their archives anymore (although they do still evidently exist).
Wanna trade some shoes for a DVD? Pop me an email... Cheers , jb
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Ouch!
climber
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Feb 19, 2006 - 02:30pm PT
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You just need to hook your DVD player to a video capture and have some kind of DVD burning program to make DVDs or VCDs, or VCR tapes that will play on any DVD or VCR. Lots of them available.
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2006 - 04:06pm PT
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For those doubting my computer savy, I write sports software for a living but, I don't deal with video stuff too often. I did the copy on my vcr/dvd combo machine since I don't have a video input card and don't plan on getting one. I will see if I can get it in a computer readable dvd format, if possible.
My plan is to find peoople that appreciate this type of thing, like the participants, and those of us that have lead trad before there were cams!! The competition between Henry and Pete Livsey on Liberator is one of the best descriptions of climbing competition I have ever heard. And the part of Al Harris totally gripped on Dream of White Horses is also a classic.
Bottom line, I will probably get about 10 copies made and sent out next week sometime.
ps: I also have a funny one of Ron Kauk on Old Man of Hoy and part of the Lost Arrow climb he did with Jerry Moffat. And I have a few shorts of Catherine Destivelle and Patrick Elinger. These are still on the tape.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 04:30pm PT
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Kauk and Moffatt on the Lost Arrow (abc or nbc sports) with John Long as commentator! I remember that stuff. Long - "Yes ladies and gentlemen, climbing that section is like trying to climb your garage door..." (or something like that).
Old Man of Hoy with Kauk - also a classic! Barber on-sight soloing that 5.10 on the sea cliffs (can't remember the route) - pretty cool. henry still shows that in his slide show.
If you start selling copies of this stuff, I bet the video archivists will find the originals real quick....cheers, jb
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 19, 2006 - 04:35pm PT
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Dogfather
The old Man of Hoy in Scotland was for ABC wide world of sports as I remember. Hahaha They wanted Ron to climb some heidious new route on the prow of the thing. All the holds were breaking off and it was a death line. Kauk said no way jose and they were kind of pissed he didn't want to do it.
We ended up doing the regular route 5.9 or something. There's these weird birds called fulmurs or something, they look like sea gulls living on that pile.
Those phucking birds spit at you while your on the lead some oily green lugers. I had to duck a few times to escape getting nailed.
If you get that green oily sh_it on your climbing shoes made from leather, it disolves the leather. I lost one pair of shoes to those birds.
What a place ..........
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 04:35pm PT
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Now there's a long lost name ive been trying to remember for weeks. Al Harris. He was the orignal yeah punk rock rockclimber. I never had a dull moment around him.
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2006 - 04:43pm PT
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Ron had a squirt gun with him and a fake snake to try to defeat the birds.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 04:54pm PT
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Wonder - Al Harris had just "written - spoken" a book before he passed. Or at least someone transcribed him telling his stories onto tape. I remember meeting the "biographer" in the Valley once. Did that book ever come out? I don't remember seeing it but it may still exist...
Harris had some of THE most outrageous stories I've ever heard to this day! I used to go shoplifting with him in the Valley - he was an absolute master at it. He'd always come out of the store with filet mignons, wine, cheese, the whole deal every time! (Hope my kid doesn't read this stuff...) Oops, jb
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 19, 2006 - 04:58pm PT
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Yeah the snake was worthless, nothing worked short of attacking the bird swinging a piece of webbing at them.
John did Al Harris pass away?
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 05:16pm PT
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Al died in a car crash racing down from cloggy. late 80's. He once came out of safeway right behind me in Merced with 5 gal bottle of vino he some how shoplifted. I have not seen a book by him or adout him at all, John.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 05:19pm PT
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Remember, his ex girlfriend came out and stayed with peggy & jim in tahoe. and it was the early 80's.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 05:35pm PT
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Werner
Wonder is right - he died a long time ago. I heard he was trying to beat out an oncoming train at a railroad crossing. but who knows? that was a while ago...
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Blakeb
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Feb 19, 2006 - 05:37pm PT
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I would also really love to get a copy of this dvd and would be willing to pay you a reasonable fee for the disc, hard work, kindness, and postage. If this is possible, should i just send you an email or what? Sounds like some really great footage and hope that you can make more copies available.
blakeb
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 09:33pm PT
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I would like to get a copy if possible, I was asking Werner in another post recently about the availability of the ABC Wide World of Sports shoot on Lost Arrow...
...anyway, pm me or I will you...
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 19, 2006 - 09:48pm PT
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count me in.
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Bill
climber
San Francisco
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Feb 20, 2006 - 03:39am PT
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I want. Hell, I'll even pay an UNreasonable fee!
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Bazo
Boulder climber
Ky
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Feb 20, 2006 - 05:08am PT
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Yeah! I've gotta get one as well.
I remember the Barber thing. It was on "The American Sportsman".
It also had Al Harris totaly freaked out following Barber on Dream of White Horses. Perhaps he was faking but it was very funny " I'm soooo gripped!! ".
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hardman
Trad climber
the valley
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Feb 20, 2006 - 10:19am PT
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"I had copies of that stuff once but I lost them all in a house fire two years ago. Reardon (and others) have tried to hunt down the originals but those companies have been bought and sold so many times since then, no one can find them in their archives anymore (although they do still evidently exist). "
surely hollywood reardon would know to look for them at getty images
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2006 - 12:20pm PT
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For those that I have commited to sending a DVD:
I have redone the DVD and it is now readable on a computer with a chapter for each of the videos listed below.
1. Henry Barber, Pete Livsey, Al Harris in England with EB's and no cams!!
2. Bachar soloing in Yosemite
3. Bachar Soloing in JT
4. Werner, Johnson and Kauk attempt to free the Nose
5. Part of Kauk and Moffet on Lost Arrow
6. Kauk and an English gal on Old Man of Hoy
7. Kurt Albert and Gullich in Yosemite
Most of the video is not great quality but the commentary on some is often hilarious. The "live" parts get somewhat boring but are still entertaining.
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rradakovits
Sport climber
san diego
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Feb 20, 2006 - 02:06pm PT
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I would love a copy, I'll PM you.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2006 - 02:39pm PT
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I emailed you too - I wonder if there's some supertaco-er out there who could burn the dvd's for you and make it a little less work?!
I would, but don't have a DVD burner.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 20, 2006 - 02:50pm PT
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I've got a DVD burner.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2006 - 02:55pm PT
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I'd kick in for one.
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hardman
Trad climber
the valley
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Feb 20, 2006 - 04:10pm PT
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i can do the burning for the people on the east coast
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BrentA
Gym climber
estes park
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Feb 20, 2006 - 07:39pm PT
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Couldn't we just all meet on Bearshare.com?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Feb 20, 2006 - 08:57pm PT
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Bearshare or some kinda shareware- Now there's a concept.
I remembers me eyballin' that Barber footage, solo, hand jams, guys lookin on from the base in awe. Seminal inspiration for me at the time, speshly for teevee. Must'v been 72-74?
Solo, by, what's his name- Mike Hoover? That was more worked, staged & etc., but pretty cool too for a n00b lookin' on and made TV right about the same time.
-Roy
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2006 - 09:02pm PT
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It's a DVD so that means about at least 2 to 4 gigabytes of data to download.
Now how's dialup people gona do that.
Rapidshare has pretty fast servers now, but you gotta wait an hour between downloads unless you have a paid account.
How fast is Bearshare.com? Is it any good for this idea?
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ryanb
climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 20, 2006 - 09:30pm PT
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Bittorrent is taylor made for distribution of large files from computers with limited bandwidth...essentially a "swarm" of people download from one another minimizing the load on the origional host as well as copyrite issues (since the transfer of information occurs on a private network wile the *.torren file distributed on webpages contains only information on how to join the swarm).
Azureus is probably the best Bittorrent client.
With good compresion figure 200-300 megs/hour as far as size goes. Mplayer/mencoder work okay for compressing video files, don't know about riping dvd's though.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 20, 2006 - 09:39pm PT
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We also worked with Mike Hoover on "The Surival of the Fittest".
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Feb 20, 2006 - 09:56pm PT
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There's some good stuff in "Fittest" as well:
Yabo test driving the downhill run, Kauk pointing to his Kroenhoffers and reporting "Yeah these are the ticket"
-seems everything good for a bunch of us was "the ticket" fer a while after.
Thanks all for helping to get the topical footage of this thread accessible.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 20, 2006 - 10:46pm PT
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yeah T-Buster this thread is the "ticket"
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2006 - 11:21pm PT
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Why would anybody want to watch this sh_it?
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Feb 20, 2006 - 11:25pm PT
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ha ha.
same reason were blabin' about on our keyboards.
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Dusty
Trad climber
up & down highway 99
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Feb 21, 2006 - 07:36am PT
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we should start a porn site too while we're at it
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Feb 21, 2006 - 08:38am PT
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Remember when people were giving Ed a bunch of sh*t about posting 30 year old climbing articles here? And he wasn't even getting money for them...my how things change.
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2006 - 09:19am PT
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I have gotten way too many requests to fill so I have been selective as I implied in the original posting. I am sending out about a dozen to those that were either in the videos, know the participants, are of my generation (OLD), live in Eldorado (my most visited climbing spot) or asked nicely. It takes about 15 minutes a copy so I figure over 3 hours is enough of my time. No fees involved. Watching on a computer instead of a big screen makes the quality appear much better. Would be interested in the recipients thoughts on some of this old stuff. The funniest part is the english translation of the Gullich piece.
If any of the recipients wish to make copies, that is up to them. They can then post again and setup their little cottage business.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley
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Feb 21, 2006 - 09:59am PT
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If someone will send me one of these, I have a couple burners and tons of blanks at my disposal.
I would be happy to make copies for anyone who would send one or two dollars to cover the cost
of shipping and a blank DVD––as long as I wasn't overwhelmed by too many requests.
Time, labor, and wear & tear is on me. No need to profit. Thanks for putting this together!
Anyone?
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Feb 21, 2006 - 10:20am PT
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I'd love a copy. Hardman, let me know if'n you get one.
-Brian in SLC
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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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Feb 21, 2006 - 10:53am PT
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If you get one Hardman, I'm in for a few, and I'll hand some out to some appreciative select players in El Portal next time I'm home...
And I'll GLADLY overcompensate you.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 21, 2006 - 12:08pm PT
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I'd like to get in on this and will burn and send for cost, or free if there's just a few.
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Blakeb
Big Wall climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Feb 21, 2006 - 12:34pm PT
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I would really like to receive a copy of this dvd, so will you please make it available to someone like hardman that is willing to burn more copies for the disc and shipping costs. Please oh please, hardman make me a copy if you are able to get a copy yourself.
blakeb
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 21, 2006 - 12:54pm PT
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I have just sent e-mail to the Dogfather requesting a DVD.
If I get one from him (or someone else), I can make copies for anyone who wants one.
Ideally I could give copies to people in the Bay Area; no mailing would be necessary.
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2006 - 02:39pm PT
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Hardman-Knott and hardman have both kindly offered to make copies for others after I send them one. Therefore, for those I did not respond to, wait a week or so until the "hardmen" get their copies and you can then make arrangements with one of them for a copy. They can then let you know whether they are even worth watching!
I have a dozen burnt, packaged and ready to mail. Feel like I am running a small business mail room! Waiting for mailing addresses from two I promised a copy. I will mail tomorrow.
So, this thread should now die.
Also, for anyone who decides to do something like this, it gets very confusing who you are dealing with since people email you with different names and email address than they use on ST. To avoid confusion whenever you contact another ST member, especially if you don't use the same email account you list in ST, put your forum name in your email. I really did not think that Rajmit would appreciate these videos but he could have been one of the requesters using his real information and I couldn't have told the difference.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 21, 2006 - 03:48pm PT
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Therefore, for those I did not respond to, wait a week or so until the "hardmen" get their copies and you can then make arrangements with one of them for a copy.
LOL!
Best laugh I've had in a while actually...
Thanks much for putting this together for all of us!
I really look forward to seeing it.
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hardman
Trad climber
the valley
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Feb 21, 2006 - 04:12pm PT
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i guess hardman knott can do all the mother f*#kers west of the mississsippi and i can handle all the mother f*#kers east of the mississippi.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 21, 2006 - 04:17pm PT
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Good plan, hardman.
BTW, what exactly makes you a hardman?
(I only ask because I am Knott)
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hardman
Trad climber
the valley
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Feb 21, 2006 - 04:54pm PT
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absoulty nothing. i have trouble pulling down my pants ;)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 25, 2006 - 06:27am PT
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Well, I was over a Jim Opdyke's place tonight up here in PDX. Jim is sort of our "Old Man Beacon" and it also turns out he's video fanatic with his living room walls lined with VHS boxes. I knew that, but until I mentioned thedogfather's DVD what I didn't know was he has boxes of climbing tapes and recordings. Now a lot of these look to be early commercial climbing videos, but he also has lots of shorter clips he recorded off cable over years. Apparently lots of them are of you guys. I was only there for a few minutes but I saw clips of Bachar/Werner on the Monkey, Croft soloing Middle Cathedral, Oxx/Wald/Fowler/Bongard doing the Shield clean go by.
I'm assuming you guys have all these videos covered, but he appears to have dozens and dozens of these things. I've asked him to catalog all these clips and when he does I'll post it up and you folks can take a look and see if there's anything on there you don't have.
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Larry
Trad climber
Reno NV
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Feb 25, 2006 - 10:59am PT
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So when is someone going to seed bittorrent? ryanb?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 26, 2006 - 05:07pm PT
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This DVD is 2.15 GB, which is probably too big for any free hosting service.
If I didn't have a 10 GB monthly limit on my web-server, I would simply upload it there.
I like the Bit Torrent idea, but I personally don't have access to a 24/7 broadband connection.
However, it's possible that I could recruit someone to let me seed it from their connection.
Larry -- could you recommend a suitable tracker in the odd-chance I could make this happen?
Personally I think if there was a way to torrent this without having to use a tracker,
it would go a lot faster, since the leecher/seeder ratio wouldn't be so high.
I know that Azureus allows tracker-less connections; I'm wondering if one could just
e-mail the torrent-file for people to open in their Bit Torrent clients––rather than the
usual method of downloading the torrent-file from a tracker (where thousands would then
be trying to leech from the single seeder at once, thereby greatly slowing the upload)
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Larry
Trad climber
Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2006 - 07:12pm PT
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HK, you seem to have a greater understanding of this than I do. All I've ever done is download from bittorrent. I do have a 24/7 DSL line though.
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hardman
Trad climber
love the eastern sierras
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Feb 27, 2006 - 04:55pm PT
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also guys got a tech question
my laptop does both cd and dvd burning, does this video need to be burned on DVDR? or can you simply put it on CDR?
i don't have any dvdR at the moment so i'm wondering if i need to run and get some?
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Feb 27, 2006 - 05:00pm PT
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Since a CD only holds around 700mb, and the DVD is 2.15gig, then I'd imagine so...
-Brian in SLC
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 27, 2006 - 09:46pm PT
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What Brian said...
hardman - You can get Memorex 16 X DVD blanks this week for $14.95 for 50 pack.
I forget which place it was, either Comp USA, Best Buy, or Office Depot.
Also, in case you missed it, check out this post I made about making the most
set-top player-compatible DVD's possible. Also, the best price I found for padded
envelopes (the same that Dogfather used) is $5.25 for 10 pack at Office Max.
Also, let me know if you want me to e-mail you the Word .doc of the paper that
was included with the DVD––then you can simply print them out to include in the package.
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Mountain Man
Trad climber
Outer space
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I got my copy today, and it's incredible.
I wish we could get more videos from the past.
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PJ
Trad climber
MD
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Anybody out there that can burn a copy for me here on the east coast ? I can pay for it
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Dogfather rules! The DVD is classic....jb
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2006 - 10:31pm PT
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So John, was you son impressed?
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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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GOdammnit! I talking serious overcompensation here folks. I want a copy. Name your price.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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dogdaddy - No my son wasn't impressed...he did laugh a ton at my hair-doo. What was I thinking? I couldn't even believe that was the REAL Bachar....
Thanks again DF! cheers, jb
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The Wolf
Trad climber
East SF Bay Area
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DVD-R works on computer and DVD players. DVD+R works only on computer. DVD-RW's are a crap shoot as to whether they will work or not.
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poop*ghost
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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who's burning this sucker for the Colorado crew?
I'm waiting to paypal you some cash! tradclimber AT gmail dot com
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2006 - 02:45pm PT
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hardman and harman-knott are doing the second wave of distributioin. I believe hardman is the west coast.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Poop –– check your gmail and/or hotmail account.
As far as formats go, the original DVD's that Dogfather made were done
on a set-top VCR-DVD recorder. When you click on the disc on the desktop,
you will see a VIDEO_TS folder. If the DVD doesn't play automatically,
use the appropriate media player to navigate to the VIDEO_TS folder and open it.
As I stated earlier––I can't remember which thread––every commercially produced
movie-DVD will have both a VIDEO_TS folder and an empty AUDIO_TS folder.
This is because certain set-top players won't play the DVD without the AUDIO_TS folder.
For this reason, I included the empty AUDIO_TS folder in the DVD's that I made.
I also burned them using DVD-ROM (UDF) format. This way, if your computer
normally auto-mounts and plays movie DVD's, this one will do the same. This also
is the most compatible format for set-top players. As far as I know, the type of
media is irrelevant (DVD-R, +R, -RW, +RW, ect). Knott too long ago, Mac computers
would only play -R media; it was either OS 10.3 or 10.4 which made all formats compatible.
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hardman
Trad climber
love the eastern sierras
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it really doesn't matter i'll send it to anyone espicially if you send me naked photos of hot women
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Now that you mention it, that would work for me as well...
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thedogfather
Trad climber
Midwest
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2006 - 05:06pm PT
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If that starts happening I will have to recall the sub-contractors and find the time to do it myself.
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MasterMarley
climber
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I believe I have Kauk, Bev Johnson, and Braun attempting to free Nose (with swami belts) on video tape that I can easily convert to DVD. I know this is an old post, but just stumbled across this site and had to mention this. I do know it has Bev Johnson and two other guys attempting to free the nose. One guy had a hearing problem. I'll have to dig it up and watch it again for their names. I taped it back in the '80s and have watched it many times since. Classic.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Master!
Please, if you can convert it to digital, maybe you can post it up on YouTube!
But be sure to check the names again, I think it was Paul, of Peter, Paul and Mary, who had the hearing problem.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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One from the vault is this thread . . . Memorex tapes and such . . . way f*#king funny. Dredge up the old posts and bring out your dead.
Sender Films should get ahold of this archival stuff, re-format and redistribute. If they actually steal this idea, I'm going for royalties.
BUMPOLICIOUS.
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MasterMarley
climber
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Aug 11, 2012 - 08:08am PT
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K-Man, you're probably thinking of Lou Ferrigno.
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MasterMarley
climber
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Aug 11, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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OK. I have more info. I dug up my old video tape and found that this is indeed the one with Ron Kauk, Bev Johnson, and Werner Braun attempting to free climb El Cap. It mentions that Werner Braun was legally deaf. I just converted it to digital and am going to try to post to YouTube. I hope I'm not breaking any copywrights. It will be in Video tape quality, so don't expect a whole lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYbLtxVa3E&feature=youtu.be
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Aug 12, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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Holy necro thread. Kind of chilling seeing John's posts.
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StaceyP
Social climber
Boulder, CO
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Can anyone confirm whether this climbing video featuring Ron Kauk, Werner Braun and Bev Johnson is an excerpt from ABC'S Wide World of Sports, American Sportsman (or a different program entirely?) Any chance anyone knows the year it aired?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYbLtxVa3E
Thanks so much.
Stacey
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SpokaneBob
Ice climber
Spokane, Washington
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Hi DogFather,
Absolutely--I am like the others--I would like one of your DVDs and am willing to pay a reasonable fee. When you have it ready email me at > loomis@rescue.com < and we can make shipping and payment arrangements.
Cheers,
Bob Loomis, Spokane, Washington
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Stacey, that video is awesome.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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I've seen it before. The best part is about one minute into the video when Ron Kauk's foot slips, with the picturesque Yosemite Falls in the background.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Cool Video! Best part...."ssss slack...that dipstick"
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