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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 6, 2011 - 02:58pm PT
We all know Largo has a way with words. So does this other guy, Sam Harris.

re: psychedelics

The positive experiences were more sublime than I could have ever imagined or than I can now faithfully recall. These chemicals disclose layers of beauty that art is powerless to capture and for which the beauty of Nature herself is a mere simulacrum. It is one thing to be awestruck by the sight of a giant redwood and to be amazed at the details of its history and underlying biology. It is quite another to spend an apparent eternity in egoless communion with it. Positive psychedelic experiences often reveal how wondrously at ease in the universe a human being can be—and for most of us, normal waking consciousness does not offer so much as a glimmer of these deeper possibilities.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life/

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I feel like I missed out on something important. Not being born 10 years earlier. Anybody have any psychedelics to share?

Legend of a Mind, Moody Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldSFuEOA9wc
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jul 6, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
Well, you kind of had to be there. But along with the sublime experiences are the flashbacks of being on "white lightning", cut with strychnine, while being tear gassed and hit over the head with a billy club. Wrong acid, wrong place, wrong time.
Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Jul 6, 2011 - 03:54pm PT
I feel like I missed out on something important. Not being born 10 years earlier.

It ain't too late brah, hop on the bus!
Lace

climber
las vegas, nv
Jul 6, 2011 - 05:00pm PT
Positive psychedelic experiences often reveal how wondrously at ease in the universe a human being can be

And the negative experiences reveal? Our dark subconsciousness? Or the starting point of what to talk about in that weeks therapy session..
Leishman

Sport climber
Spring Creek, NV
Jul 6, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
Thats pretty deep man, how do you find these crazy quotes?
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Jul 6, 2011 - 06:11pm PT
The so called psychedelic experience and supposed enlightenment from acid, mescaline, mushrooms etc is bullsh#t. It's straight up poisoning.

I was led down that path as a youth and after much experience I came to the conclusion that it was a monumental waste of time.

Take a close look at anyone promoting these trips. Do you really want to be like them?



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 6, 2011 - 06:39pm PT
Everybody should trip at least once. Pick yer poison.

But I would not recommend repeated trips.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A community of hairless apes
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
Just got back from my mountain run - which gave me a high but not to the angle and depth Sam wrote about. Interesting comments, here. So I'm asking the experts - where does one get psychedelics these days?

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Spider, check this out from Sam Harris:
One of the great responsibilities we have as a society is to educate ourselves, along with the next generation, about which substances are worth ingesting, and for what purpose, and which are not. The problem, however, is that we refer to all biologically active compounds by a single term—“drugs”—and this makes it nearly impossible to have an intelligent discussion about the psychological, medical, ethical, and legal issues surrounding their use. The poverty of our language has been only slightly eased by the introduction of terms like “psychedelics” to differentiate certain visionary compounds, which can produce extraordinary states of ecstasy and insight, from “narcotics” and other classic agents of stupefaction and abuse.

As you know, all "drugs" even all "psychedelics" are not the same.

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Base,

you've had a multi-multi-dimensional life, I think. Congratulations.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:00pm PT
Chat me up at a campfire sometime and I'd share a couple stories. The Taco is not a campfire.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:25pm PT
Also,

The great feeling of beauty and enlightenment delivered by these substance (as part of the poisoning process) is itself a hallucination. You get the feeling with none of the actual wisdom.

Weed is similar. You may feel like you are doing great art or your moral can be great when you're high but you did nothing to deserve that feeling.


The amplified sensations has a flip side. Acid can easily go the opposite way with amplified sensations of fear, grief, loss. Mostly you get a sensation of intense confusion with the feeling you are trapped in something you can't get out of. A few people never recover from this.

I've seen through both sides of that tube. Please be honest with people, there is nothing to gain from even trying it once.


Seeking accomplishment in climbing on rock or high peaks delivers real high and real enlightenment.
Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:40pm PT
Spider obviously fears what he doesn't understand.
damo62

Social climber
Brisbane
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:40pm PT
Pate, you are a flashback, lol.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:48pm PT
Actually Base, DR's book has been in the works since 1970 as I understand. I think the fast developing science on the subject has created an Augian Stables challenge for him. But yes regular whippings should be in order.

Thanks Pate for the link.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:53pm PT
A young feller experienced a blinding satori while high on acid, the absolute solution to all violence and discord on planet earth. Struck dumb by the simple elegance of all this, he hastened to write it down, so he could document this essential truth when he returned to normal existence. Mission accomplished, he had many wonderful experiences that night, and upon waking the next morning, he eagerly read the surefire strategy that was bound to win him a nobel peace prize.

Written on the scrap of paper was the phrase, "say please."
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jul 6, 2011 - 07:53pm PT
lol Pate, too funny, I've been saying the same thing since I stopped taking it in 72'. Biggest bunch of false advertising I ever heard. I've been waiting for those darn flashbacks to this day.

For me personally, acid was actually a positive experience in most ways. I started taking it in 1969 (9th grade) and did it intensely over the next few years. I think I figured I took it over 300 times by the time I was a senior in high school. For a kid who was very ADHD and emotionally cooked, LSD planted the seeds of ideas I would never have thought of on my own. I never solved mine or the worlds problems, but it opened an awareness door that would serve me well later in life.

I always took acid for the entertainment factor, beyond the trails, patterns and downright badass hallucinations I saw, I was there for a fun time and while I kept going on a trip, after a while it was always to the same place, so I stopped taking it. I got bored with it. I never had a bad trip and one of the reasons I attribute that too is a few basic cardinal rules I always followed when I was on it. Never get behind the wheel of a car, always remember, now matter how gnarly it seemed, that everything I was experiencing was due to the drug. LSD in a mood magnifier, if you're around negative, downer people or a hostile environment, then those feelings and thoughts are magnified. The same goes true for being in a positive environment and nice people. I always preferred to take it during the day vs, night too
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 6, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
I have much to add to this discussion, but I'll resist. Federales are everywhere.
WBraun

climber
Jul 6, 2011 - 08:11pm PT
LSD is just plain synthesized marijuana.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jul 6, 2011 - 08:18pm PT
Legend of a Mind, Moody Blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldSFuEOA9wc

I thought that was a really deep song when I was about 21 or so.
Now I think it would make for a good spoof video.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 6, 2011 - 08:39pm PT
Never get behind the wheel of a car

Never say never. My best experiences were being blown out of my mind while driving the hills around the Rose Bowl in my '68 Corvair. Just melted into the banked curves. Felt like I was approaching the speed of light.

Of course there were the unforeseen hazards that made things interesting, like being completely absorbed in the time-space continuum only to be ripped viciously out of it by the sudden explosion of 2 perfectly thrown water balloons from some mischievous 10 year old kids on summer vacation. I probably looked like Charlie chasing after them. Good times.

But yes, I do agree it's all a false front. There is no magic, only illusion when chemically enhanced. All it is, is simply messing with your brain chemistry. It does occasionally yield great insight into the self, but the typical recipient is psychologically bent in the first place.

Would I do it again? Most definitely; for entertainment purposes, but not self-realization. That is gained through health, discipline and open-mindedness.

Carry on.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Jul 6, 2011 - 09:30pm PT
Lambone don't realize Spider tripped over 20 times trying to find the truth. Tried all kinds of other stuff. Stayed stoned for a couple years continuously. It's a dead end. Nothing there. Great way to become a looser. Drugs kill the will to win.
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