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Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2011 - 09:13am PT
Somebody is selling a Salathé piton on ebay...I sure hope this is a legitimate seller.

http://shop.ebay.com/mook424/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562
eKat

Trad climber
RuralFrikkenMontana
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:18am PT
Steve. . . what's a legit seller?

?

Captain...or Skully

climber
or some such
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:20am PT
Apparently, he thinks it's worth 10-12 Grand.
Yeesh.
It's just a pin, after all.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2011 - 09:23am PT
There are a few of these missing from established collections that show up with a cloud around them occasionally. I hope this isn't one of those.
locker

Social climber
CO
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:24am PT

I don't care if that fuker is legit and made of GOLD...

$10,000 - $12,000 is a fuking JOKE!!!...




"Salathe Piton, hand forged, authentic and very rare

Item condition: Used

Time left: 1 day 2 hours (Jul 05, 201111:54:17 PDT)

Bid history: 0 bids[Refresh bidhistory]


Starting bid: US $10,000.00

Your max bid: US $

or

Price: US $12,000.00 Buy It NowBuy It NowBuy It Now "
...







EDITED:


ZERO BIDS...

LOL!!!...

eKat

Trad climber
RuralFrikkenMontana
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:25am PT
I get it, Steve. . . thanks.

Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:32am PT
$100.00 shipping via usps priority mail. At least the shipping is reasonable.
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Jul 4, 2011 - 09:47am PT
I got a short vert I found below the Arrow long ago, the head looks a twin to that one, but I don't see a diamond P. If his is worth $10 - 12,,000 I'm taking mine to Pawn Stars.





Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2011 - 09:49am PT
No diamond "P" no Salathé...
MisterE

Social climber
Bouldering the Gnar
Jul 4, 2011 - 10:15am PT
It has the diamond P with "CV" below it - looks authentic.

Anyone know what the CV stands for?
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Jul 4, 2011 - 10:37am PT
Is MTucker the seller?
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Jul 4, 2011 - 10:39am PT
This piton was hand made by Anton Salathe and has his trademark Diamond P logo clearly stamped into the piton’s chromemoly steel.

Who the hell is ANTON Salathe?

Must be Anton Nelson and John Salathe's love child...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2011 - 11:46am PT
Too funny...I didn't catch that detail!
eKat

Trad climber
RuralFrikkenMontana
Jul 4, 2011 - 12:01pm PT
The seller says he's in YOSE. . . there can't be very many people in YOSE with ANTON :-) Salathe pins for sale, eh?

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Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jul 4, 2011 - 12:06pm PT
Interested that it's located in the Valley.

For that kind of coin it could become tempting to have a diamond-P stamp made up and hand, uh, "forge" some of that "chromemoly." Was that the metal in old Model A axles, the supposed source of "Anton's" metal stock?

If you were a legitimate seller, wouldn't you want to tell the story of where you came across that sucker? Something beyond "may well have been used on the first ascent of Sentinel Rock"? More than one party has hiked all the way up Little Yosemite Valley to climb Sugarloaf Dome, for instance, on the hope that Salathe might have left a pin on his FA in 1951.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2011 - 12:15pm PT
Chouinard and Frost swept those old Salathé routes for hardware back in the early sixties. “We were interested in his routes for more than just the climbing. Yvon had a Salathé piton but I didn’t, so we were out scouring the place looking for them. As far as Salathé pitons left in climbs, those guys weren’t too shabby, they didn’t leave much laying around. We did Sugarloaf. We did Church Tower. We did the Northeast Bowl on Sentinel. I finally climbed by a Salathé ring wafer on the South Face of Rixon’s and Harry Daley liberated it for his own collection. He even stamped his own initials on it. Sacrilege!” -Tom Frost

"Salathé saw the need for tougher pitons- thin, reusable ones that could be forced farther into bottomed cracks and pounded into contorted cracks without buckling. He wanted a piton that would dominate the granite, not the other way around…Salathé simply used bars of 40/60 carbon and vanadium alloy steel, which he could have obtained easily and cheaply…The resulting hand-forged and heat-treated pitons, beautifully fashioned into the standard horizontal shape, were far tougher than the European pitons of the day. Most of these handsome objects bore an imprint, a tiny “P” inside a diamond, the logo of his Peninsula Wrought Iron Works."- Steve Roper Camp 4

The notion that John started out with actual axles as metal source is pretty well put to bed by Roper. Same sort of alloy however...

If you were a serious collector that mark would have to be authenticated.

E- Chris Vandiver isn the only CV that comes to mind...
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Jul 4, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/945103/Value-of-an-Original-Salathe-Piton

Considering how many Salathe pitons are out there it is not even considered rare or even priceless. An original "Nose route" stoveleg piton is priceless
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Jul 4, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
How many hand forged pin of a certain age can there be floating around the valley that have the exact same tool marks and head design as a Salathe pin?

the slightly oval hole broaching, the small anvil turned down? The proportions and size? the countersink bevelling around the eye?

Seems pretty unlikely someone else was making such similar pieces and dropping them beneath his climbs.

To me, its just an old vertical pin I picked up, anyway. 35 years ago. At the base of the flint hard tip. Been placed once, I'd say.





Mine is stamped RCS as far as I can read it.


Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2011 - 12:41pm PT
Because of the ease of driving and cleaning a horizontal style piton in granite corners and flakes, John didn't make very many vertical pitons other than wafers that I have come across personally.

More likely WWII era surplus with an RCS stamp on it and nothing else visible.
Captain...or Skully

climber
or some such
Jul 4, 2011 - 02:50pm PT
Anton Salathe'....Hehehe.
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