Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 3, 2011 - 04:12pm PT
Did Mimi and Grossman and the other impotent old prudes get it wacked?
There wasn't even a single unclothed human nip in the entire thread... other than happie's.... uh, I mean the ones she posted... not of herself... nevermind.
I could post a picture of bloody children dying in the streets and it would stay up indefinitely.
But boobies!?!?!? God's most enjoyable self-contained fluid dynamic experiment? Well, that sh#t it just too OFFENSIVE!
Guys, there's respecting human anatomy and there's disrespecting. Who the hay doesn't appreciate such things? But honestly, Jiggy, are you really having trouble understanding why it is that Management doesn't support your own personal version of wet t-shirt night on the ST and kills your stupid thread? And we didn't run crying to anyone. Frankly, if it was a classy breast thread, it likely wouldn't have gone anywhere.
It was yours, JakRag. It's no wonder you have relationship problems. LOL! The way you obviously view women translates into treating them like crap. I guess you grew up that way, but that's no excuse now that you're trying to be a grown up. Knot trying very hard. That's for sure.
Nothing wrong with naked people. I have nothing against posting naked good looking dudes on this thread either. Americans are overly sensitive about their sexuality, this goes both directions, men and women.
But yes, locker is retarded for posting something that is actually nudity, because regardless of if it offends me or not, for sure this thread will now be nuked. Its like, weed should be legal, but don't go blowing fatty puffs into a sheriffs face. your sh#t won't hold up bro.
mimi, if it offends you, don't click on it. it has tittys in the title. stop trying to be offended/be a martyr. take control of your own actions, there are other good threads that will take time to sift through, like Ed H's links to AAJ's.
and for people "looking forward" to these threads... send me a private email, there's way more interesting sh#t on the internet than grainy .gifs of jiggly boobiez. Whoever sold you your rig at Fry's left out some knowledge.
GDavis, based on your posts, you're exactly why I'm bothering to speak up. It's guys like you that prove sexism remains strong and prevalent in America. But then again, you're an Old Testament kind of guy, aren't you?
ut then again, you're an Old Testament kind of guy, aren't you?
No. Not at all. I think sexuality should be celebrated. You seem to think otherwise. To each his own, I would say, however you appear to want to tell others to think you're way. Who is old testament?
One is art, the other is art... both depend on one's interpretation. I could see Lockers as just being softcore porn, its not really 'arty,' but the same could be said for stone nudes. Either way, its just a persons body. We all have one. Best to keep it in threads that are labeled, like with tittys in the title or something, so that those who might get offended don't accidentally click on it. Who knows why people think the way they do but it doesn't mean we have carte blanch on offending them, just like we shouldn't call out all muslims for believing in fairy tales or some such thing. Just rude, ya know?
GDavis, no, ahole, it's all about the intent and presentation. How f*#king clueless are you? Nevermind, we already know.
"No. Not at all. I think sexuality should be celebrated. You seem to think otherwise. To each his own, I would say, however you appear to want to tell others to think you're way. Who is old testament?"
I'm asking anyone who might be offended by the former, but not the latter.
I'm not offended by either of them. . . but they evoke completely different emotions.
BoWinkle's seems innocent and beautiful - like the gal really is just out bouldering, stark raving naked. The one locker posted seems cheap and staged; removing it, by leaps and bounds, from the realm of art.
GDavis, no, ahole, it's all about the intent and presentation. How f*#king clueless are you? Nevermind, we already know.
Free your mind.
mimi, I'm sure you are a nice person. Honestly. But you are looking to pick fights. This is irrational thinking.
Do not look for opportunities to get offended. If you excercise more, eat healthier, think objectively about different aspects of life (why do I respond a certain way to some things, how do I impact others) you will not be looking to pick fights, like clicking on a thread titled "big tit lover appreciation thread" and whacking old dudes on the knuckles with a ruler.
best to keep it in threads that are labeled, like with tittys in the title or something, so that those who might get offended don't accidentally click on it. Who knows why people think the way they do but it doesn't mean we have carte blanch on offending them, just like we shouldn't call out all muslims for believing in fairy tales or some such thing. Just rude, ya know?
Actually, as a youngster, all of those mammaries in art were pretty good until I found a penthouse in a ditch. My fellow 13 year olds kept the pics in a burried mason jar in the woods.
this is like a universal thing. how many guys learned sex from finding porn in the woods in middle school? Thanks to our society this is 'sex ed.' sigh.
The problem with the thread that got deleted is, if you are a self-respecting woman or young girl and you roll in here for the first time and see it at the top of the page, you're going to be disgusted. Go somewhere else for a wet t-shirt contest. The Management clearly reserves the right to pass on dousing their female patrons just to keep a small subset of you clowns happy.
self-respecting woman.....you're going to be disgusted
if you click on it.
The title said "big tit lover appreciation thread."
sounds like those girls might have a dirty mind ;D
Do you go into strip clubs and lambast them? but they are on public streets.
It got nuked, no harm no foul. I'm not saying that I think the thread has a place. But to be offended by it because you knowingly clicked on a thread that was appropriately titled is you looking for a fight.
now stop name calling, its unbecoming.
p.s. .... I don't think ekat and happiegirrl said they were disgusted. Are they not self respecting women?
Ha, if I hadn't had the very same attitude as you before I was schooled on sexism, I wouldn't be hammering on you so hard. It is a blind mindset that takes an effort to overcome because it's so engrained in our society.
And posting pics of naked guys is not the answer. LOL!
Can we just retitle this thread The Male Chauvinist Refuge thread, or The Disgusting Titty Appreciation thread or something so's we don't offend anyone?
hahaha! Kevin, that would have been much better. I have to say, I'd have been more reluctant to dive in. Not that I wouldn't have posted a cheery be-aware-of-sexism spiel of some sort.
I actually had no problem with Locker's photo. I don't happen to view it as degrading.
Mark, isn't it how they're presented? A certain maturity level, perhaps.
And posting pics of naked guys is not the answer. LOL!
Well, I didn't mean to say it was an answer to sexism.
But, an act of acknowledging the equality of the sexes and treating everyone with the same amount of respect is a step toward reducing sexism, I'd say. I also have little idea what your position is on this, because I haven't read the thread fully.
My nude-pics-of-guys suggestion was to acknowledge the women and homesexual men on the forum as equals, welcome their preferences and interests to the thread, and indiscriminately oppose unhealthy prudeness; it was not to suggest that objectifying men makes the objectification of women OK...
My impression is that Mimi doesn't mean so much to point out that the [other] thread was offensive, but more to point out that the existence of the thread was offensive.
This seems to be the crux of the debate btwn "Just don't click on it" and "No ahole, you don't get the big picture."
Locker edit: It was mostly me colliding with Wesley again. That's what started it as I recall. And then I had to jump on the death-to-sexism soapbox due to some real boneheads on here. All you really missed were several pairs of jiggling mammaries.
I still don't know why its sexist to enjoy pictures of womens breast. I understand that it could easily turn into objectification, but the same is true of the male body.
ST'ers just love to rant about 'oppression' and 'freedom of speech' on threads like these. Like there's some big conspiratorial oppressive big brother out there keepin' the little guy down. I don't know if that kind of thinking is more victim-oriented, or completely ignorant/naive.
This is a commercial website, with a forum that was created to support the website's goals and interests. Those goals have a whole lot more to do with climbing than they do with tatas, politics, or wolves. The fact that most of those topics are allowed at all is pretty impressive, and speaks to the understanding that the owners have that climbers hold pretty broad, unrestrained interests.
If you really think there is an internet big brother who is squashing all of your brilliance here at ST, there's some nice land in Area 51 I'd like to show you...
I still don't know why its sexist to enjoy pictures of womens breast.
It's not.
It's sexist to objectify women. Pictures of women's breasts often are a symptom of objectification.
Yes, the same holds true for the male body. It's just that objectification of men is not as prevalent as is objectification of women, and -- since men hold a great deal of power in our society -- not as damaging as is the objectification of women.
"It's sexist to objectify women. Pictures of women's breasts often are a symptom of objectification."
So where's the line between art and objectification? Bullwinkle's hardbodies are certainly more towards art, but any honest male would admit they are reaaaallllly fun to look at, too.
Thanks Stzzo, I was going to debate this, but after looking at one of the definitions of sexism, ie. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles, I realized that objectification leads to a stereotype that women are only good for sex.
It's all Pates fault. His big trout appreciation thread was the model for the indiscretion. Somewhere along the line things got fuzzy and all hell broke loose. But it was fun, wasn't it?
"It's sexist to objectify women. Pictures of women's breasts often are a symptom of objectification."
So where's the line between art and objectification? Bullwinkle's hardbodies are certainly more towards art, but any honest male would admit they are reaaaallllly fun to look at, too.
I think Moosie's post above sheds some light on this.
But also, the definition of objectification (pulled at random from the internet):
Sexual objectification refers to the practice of regarding or treating another person merely as an instrument (object) towards one's sexual pleasure, and a sex object is a person who is regarded simply as an object of sexual gratification or who is sexually attractive.
Here's my perspective, for whatever it's worth...
Art:
She is a beautiful woman.
Objectification:
She is a beautiful woman whose purpose is to please men.
Art:
I enjoy the breasts, and I hope she was a fully-willing, non-drugged volunteer for this photo.
Objectification:
I enjoy the breasts, and am more interested in a photo of her breasts than whether or not she really wanted to pose for this photo.
The difference can be subtle, but it boils down to intent and the underlying suggesting that the woman is a play toy.
You, personally, may not believe that the woman is a play toy. In this case, your viewing the picture is not the problem.
The problem is the intent of the picture's publisher and the other men who are viewing the picture, funding the distribution of the picture and the treatment of the women during the creation of the picture, and the sh#t-talking about the piece-of-ass and other pieces-of-ass that ensues from the picture.
In other words: the problem is the spirit in which the picture was created and any attitudes toward women that are fostered by picture's existence.
Some perspective might be found in the details of the sex trade, sex slavery, etc.
Think about it from another angle... Between these two options:
A woman wants to marry you for your money. A woman wants to marry you because she likes you, thinks you're a wonderful person, and enjoys your company.
Which do you prefer? Which makes you feel more acknowledged and respected?
That's an example of objectification: Treating a man solely as the object who funds the woman's existence.
But I still like pictures of womens breasts.
I do, too. Many believe that this pleasure is hardwired into us, to drive us to reproduce. Pleasure isn't harmful; unless it's at someone else's sacrifice...
I don't know what you all are writing about, but thanks for posting the cool and strange pics of boobies for me to look at as I scroll through the dribble!
I absolutely want women to lust after me for my money.
I will accept them lusting after me for my body.
If they must, they can lust after my intellect, but that's definitely no better than a poor third.
Any lust at all is ok, though.
I like titties. I am told its because I am wired that way. My cord hangs long. All that is too deep for me. I am just happy to be a screaming hetrosexual.
Is that so bad?
If the first post is all that is gone, maybe it was self deleted to provide fodder for this opus?
The big OP in the sky has no lack in his abilities to actually REMOVE a thread, not just delete the first post...
From the Naples Museum of History. Egyptian Goddess Isis. I think it was dug out of a temple dedicated to fertility in the ruins of Pompei. It stands about 8' high, and is slightly overwhelming to an art fan.
ah mimi-don't slap me but the first thought that came to my mind was "those doggies look like they could use a bone" -okay, okay, as ms knight says, I'll go sit in the car
Mimi, you are likely outdoing the troops since your posts display a certain wit with the tit, the competition is somewhat limp in comparison.
Zinnnng!
I knew you all could steer this thread someplace of interest and sickness - after all Weschris, these pictures are all over the internet, no real need to start a thread is there? LOL!
Thanks all.
BTW, this is so true it's damn sad, one of the reasons TV in the US sucks so bad: Weschris also said:
I could post a picture of bloody children dying in the streets and it would stay up indefinitely.
Thanks sportcamper but the credits go to guido. He assigned her as support from the first Castle Rock Spire 'Polynesian Ascent' last year. What a great lei!
Am a faux Schmutz. The head sheepbugger wanted to keep the name alive (since it looked like there would never be a Schmutz sighting ever again). We were all surprised when The Real Schmutz showed up to hand Roy his Benjamin at the '08 JT gathering. But never to be seen again.
Am a faux Schmutz. The head sheepbugger wanted to keep the name alive (since it looked like there would never be a Schmutz sighting ever again). We were all surprised when The Real Schmutz showed up to hand Roy his Benjamin at the '08 JT gathering. But never to be seen again.
The Faux Schmutz, bummer
I partied w/ the real one w/ Roy in 08
and we climbed some bitd
I do like the what the Faux Schmutz has to post though
So many nuances surrounding casting these days...Trying to sell modular holds to the ST Stag Klub? Include threaded nipple inserts to cover the bolt holes and Caylor will certainly take a few...
I have one strong desire that carries through life, which is that I never become one of those women who self-identifies as a feminist while conflating the problem of inequality with the non-problem of young women being sexual. Should I ever start assuming that young women who have sex are being had, or if I start hyperventilating about young women wearing miniskirts, I hope I at least have the good sense to give up the writing thing and go into real estate. A piece like Lisa Belkin's in the New York Times, where she conflates women having sex with men and actual social inequalities between college men and women, makes me cringe in embarrassment for the writer. Having the whole world look at you and wonder if you've truly forgotten what it's like to be young and horny is my version of the nightmare where you're speaking in public and you look down and realize you've peed yourself in front of everyone.
To make it all worse, Belkin has some very real concerns to go along with her hand-wringing about college women wearing skimpy clothes to attract male attention or that young men make raunchy jokes. Belkin is quite right to be upset that men still exert total control over the college social scene, and that young women feel they have to suck up to men or they won't have a social life at all. It is troubling that some of her students believe that women have too much power because women technically have the legal right to decline a sexual encounter (though that right isn't honored in the legal system the way it should be). But to illustrate her point by fussing over the fact that young people drink and young women like to show off skin misses the point completely. In a world with complete equality, young women would still wear teeny skirts and drink alcohol at parties, because these things are fun. Even more distressingly, Belkin conflates the problem of campus rape with the fact that young women like to look sexy, saying that the young women who wore sexy Halloween costumes to a Duke fraternity party "had mothers who attended more than one Take Back the Night March in their college days," as if being opposed to campus rape and being willing to wear sexy clothes are in opposition to each other. But as the organizers of Slutwalk know, that's absolutely false. In fact, you can and should argue that men can look at a woman wearing sexy clothes and think, "She wants to look sexy," and not, "She's asking to be violently assaulted."
To Belkin, the fact that women dance in their underwear at parties is part of the same pattern that caused a fraternity to circulate an email explaining that women aren't actually people, as if women could get their people status back by putting more clothes on. But I think that men are perfectly capable of being turned on by a woman dancing in her underwear while never forgetting that said woman has a family that loves her, a mind of her own, and ambitions that are equal to his. We don't allow men's sexuality to dehumanize them in our eyes. If a young man spends his weekends partying and flirting with women, and spends his time in the classroom pulling down As, we don't see that as a contradiction. The belief that female sexual expression is uniquely dehumanizing is a double standard, no matter how much you dress it up in feminist language. Instead of condemning young women for the length of their skirts, why not use that energy for condemning anyone who would think that a woman is lesser-than because she wears a miniskirt?
Again, it's a shame, because I do think Belkin makes some interesting points about how unfair campus life is to women, who don't get to share power over orchestrating campus social life. That women's relationships with each other are eroded by competing for male attention is a problem, as is that men get to make all the decisions about what to do for fun and the women are just expected to tag along. But these problems are complicated, and solutions aren't immediately evident. Plus, the solutions to them would require asking something of men, that they share power and treat women with respect. Asking something of men seems to be the big taboo in our culture, even sometimes among feminists. In contrast, scolding women about what they wear is easy, even if it's a red herring. "
good article couchmaster your posting it would seem to indicate that you're willing to at least thing of following through with it...
...when the author states in her last paragraph: "...men get to make all the decisions about what to do for fun and the women are just expected to tag along. But these problems are complicated, and solutions aren't immediately evident. Plus, the solutions to them would require asking something of men, that they share power and treat women with respect. Asking something of men seems to be the big taboo in our culture,..."
as it is here, the men get to make the decision that it is fun to post pictures of a woman's breasts... and that the women on the forum should tag along... are you willing to give that up and allow the women to determine what is fun, and tag along with them?
Plus, the solutions to them would require asking something of men, that they share power and treat women with respect. Asking something of men seems to be the big taboo in our culture,..."
I think that stems from a difference in communication style. Most men I know like straight forward questions and straight forward answers to questions, save for the obvious and often over the edge sarcasm and exaggerated crassness from time to time. Most women I know appear to prefer intricately complex stories with admittedly meaningless details and often appear offended by the discussions typical of even the finest gentlemen.
as it is here, the men get to make the decision that it is fun to post pictures of a woman's breasts... and that the women on the forum should tag along...
Nobody ever said they "should" tag along. Luckily, they still have that choice... but I don't know why they choose not to...
When did it become wrong to be obsessed with breast? I love breasts, unfortunately the ones that I love have been stolen by another man, he is about to turn two and his tenure with said breasts is terminal, none-the-less I have been banned from them for quite some time...
Is the harsh response to the worshipping of breasts some kind of admonishment about worshipping the wrong part of the body? Is there another part I am supposed to worship? The lower back has always been exceedingly enticing to me...
Not mine, or my wifes, stolen from the interweb...
I'll never get to tell this story somewhere else, so here goes.
Once when my daughter was just months old my wife was nursing her while I sat on the other side of the room. Sated she stopped so I went over pretending I intended to push her aside. Seeing me coming she immediately went back at it. Then, the threat deflected, she turned and gave me a mischievous smile.
If I had had any doubt she would do well out in the world, this removed them. She had a great sense of humor.
ec - can't believe I watched that whole thing. But it was just so ... weird. All the reactions (fake, real, and non-reactions) were so interesting. I couldn't pull myself away.
From an interview with the guy: "it was the tedious work with breasts, their owners and friends of the owner of the breasts. I saw the breasts in my dreams at night and the dreams came true at daylight. But certainly I didn’t become a gay. I still love breasts."
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Some two dozen topless women protested in a New York City park on a hot, sweaty Sunday as part of what they called "National Go-Topless Day" to draw attention to inequality in topless rights between men and women.
and "Look, up in the sky...it's a basket of boobies!" "No, it's a cluster of cadillac bumper guards!" "No, they're Mammatus Clouds and it's gonna be raining C cup for days!" "I'll run & go tell the boys over at the Tittay Farm!"
Everyone knows the tittay's have power. I just learned that they have political power! I had never heard of Ukrainian Femen before. They're on the news at the moment for a set of protests they're doing in France to bring attention to rape in Tunisia.
I just can't get over her expression. She laid on the bottom of Aboukir Bay
off Alexandria lo these past 1700 years. I guess it is nice to be out and about.
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