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SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Topic Author's Original Post - May 4, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
Today is the anniversary of Kent State massacre. It never leaves my thoughts...a child of the times. Susan

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 4, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdVMGKOFIwY
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
May 4, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
Never leaves my thoughts either. That was a momentous and frightening day that scarred our national conscience. National Guardsmen were shooting and killing university students for protesting the Vietnam War. It was insane.
sullly

Trad climber
May 4, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
Still love the Neil Young song. Cool story about being arrested Susan.
Gene

climber
May 4, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
Yeah. Made an indelible mark on me. I was 17 and a senior in HS.

Credit: Gene

A few months later, my classmate, Jonathan Jackson, got killed while shooting up a Marin County court room trying to free his brother, George. JJ killed a bunch of folks. Crazy time, indeed.

g

EDIT: SCseagoat, Thanks for posting up.


EDIT 2: Sullly, From the Neil Young song as I'm sure you know.

What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
Damn!
Gene

climber
May 4, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
Susan,

Ever hear this tune? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9PiEgYYUU

Best,
g

Yet another incessant EDIT: These kids were protesting what ultimately brought about the Cambodian genocide.
thaDood

Mountain climber
Porta Ledga Onza Kaleefa
May 4, 2011 - 09:40pm PT
A day that I will never forget.

I was 20 and a sophomore at San Diego Sate University. Demonstrations & student union strikes followed. Joined friends who were students at UCSD & UCLA.

Sad time to be a young student(or the parents of one)in America.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 4, 2011 - 09:50pm PT
A black day in America that still haunts my memory.
DanaB

climber
Philadelphia
May 4, 2011 - 10:08pm PT
From what I have read, why they fired was never determined: lots of conflicting reports, people not talking and/or lying, no one clearly in charge, all the things you would expct from this type of fiasco/disaster . Anyone know anything more?
thaDood

Mountain climber
Porta Ledga Onza Kaleefa
May 4, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
Gene- "...the brother of Jonathon Johnson..."

I watched that whole thing play out on television. GJ with a sawed off shotgun taped to his hand and the business end taped to the back of the judges head, the judge who just moments before was sitting in court and about to sentence him. And the grizzly end in which all, including the judge with his head blown off, wound up dead.

Definately a sad reminder of the times in which we live/lived.

edit: as I recall, his brother was only 17yrs. old.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
May 4, 2011 - 10:31pm PT

Not only that, but the first Freedom Ride took place 50 years ago today.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
And lets not forget just 10 days after Kent State there were two students killed and several injured at Jackson State in Mississippi. Took a major back page to Kent State...I think we all know why. Susan

Gene: yes, love Buffalo Springfield...did you know they are actually doing a reunion tour? I think they are going to be in Oakland around the first of June. I've never figured out why those old rockers look like they have aged so much (drugs?) and I'm sure I don't look like I've aged ALL that much..... ha ha ha Susan
thaDood

Mountain climber
Porta Ledga Onza Kaleefa
May 4, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
Saw one of the last BS sets/shows at SDSU's 'Back Door' in the spring of '68(i was a senior in H.S.). It was already known, evidently, that they were soon to break up because I can still here and picture my best friend exclaiming "We can't miss this, it's gonna be one of their last..."! It was a great gig.

That song 'For What It's Worth' served as a banner for my generation.

I saw Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young at the Balboa Stadium, San Diego(1969).
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
May 5, 2011 - 02:14am PT
My friend showed me his Kent State yearbook from that year in the early-1990s. Looking at those images was difficult for me. The event caused my friend to drop out and go on to be a leader in outdoor education. Democracy is not free...
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
May 5, 2011 - 03:36am PT
I was 18 at the time and it scared the hell out of me.

Isn't our government over in Syria defending the people protesting against their government?
Go figure.


Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
May 5, 2011 - 10:53am PT
When fascism takes hold, people get killed.

Kent State cracked the growing American fascism of the the 1960's. An army of young people rose up to oppose what history has shown was wrong.

Today this is happening across the Middle East at a much higher cost. IT's time to bring down the fascist oil wealth.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 5, 2011 - 11:19am PT
Shlt happens. Somebody probably threw a rock and things escalated.
Whoever shot first will have to live with the consequences.

I knew a woman who was there and turned to find her room mate dead next to her.
That's not her in the photo.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Ummm, it's that day again, 43 years after the event. End of innocence as what we fought for, fellow students were being killed. Jackson State occurred 10 days after. Some call for reopening of the investigation regarding if the Guards were actually ordered to fire.

I was a student at University of Penn and as we listened to a static filled radio we thought they were saying "Penn State" instead of "Kent State" Several days later about 100,000 protesters converged on Washington. It was scary as Guardsmen lined the tops of buildings with rifles. We all wondered, "were we next" RIP: Allison, Sandra, Jeffery, William. They would have been my age.

Susan
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B Arizona
May 4, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Who can forget that picture?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 4, 2013 - 11:49am PT
It makes things like Rand Pauls recent fillibuster seem a bit more credible doesnt it..

"that could never happen here"..
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
May 4, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
I was at a rally in Sproul Plaza. The speaker was handed a note and a very chilled expression came over his face as he announced the carnage from Kent State. My patriotism died on that day.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 4, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
The Newtown shootings...Has anything really changed..?
Gene

climber
May 4, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
Credit: Gene
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
i had three brothers in Nam at the time. They were labeled baby killerz and such by protesters here at home. Zero fan fare for them coming home during those times. They were as popular as lepers.. Easily one of the WORST of times to be in the military. My patriotism wasnt budged by that sad incident. I had my brothers and friends to still worry about..
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
May 4, 2013 - 11:32pm PT

And finally some truth to what we REALLY did in Vietnam is
coming out. . .

Kill Anything that Moves by Nick Turse.
So sad, we killed so many for what. . .
johntp

Trad climber
socal
May 4, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
somewhere there is a person that has to live with what they did. a very sad day.
jghedge

climber
May 4, 2013 - 11:47pm PT

"It makes things like Rand Pauls recent fillibuster seem a bit more credible doesnt it.. "

You're comparing being shot for protesting war to a congressman filibustering in favor of shooting people.
rSin

climber
calif
May 4, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
obama's lawyers just said the drone bombings in other countries is ok cuz of precident...

its what nixon did in cambodia
jghedge

climber
May 5, 2013 - 12:00am PT

"obama's lawyers just said the drone bombings in other countries is ok cuz of precident..."


All the intel captured in the Bin Laden raid, and you think the guy who ordered that raid is going to do nothing with it?


Hahahahaha
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
May 5, 2013 - 12:02am PT
"A radio news bulletin says the National Guard is massacring students
at Kent State and Nixon is still bombing Cambodia." HST

bad times, shitty weed, rock stars croaking, fear and loathing to be sure,

Dust Chaser won the derby who gives a rats ass,
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 5, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Ron,

I went to a lot of protests back then, and never heard anyone calling the soldiers baby killerz...

That Kent State photo is surely one of the most powerful of the era.

I'm with Eric Beck, my patriotism died right about then.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 5, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Well i guess your family and friends weren't in the shyt then. You dont have to agree with the war OR govt to be patriotic. And my family didnt have the luxury of choice..
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 5, 2013 - 01:43am PT
You can wish the best for the pawns of war without respecting their masters
jghedge

climber
May 5, 2013 - 01:47am PT
"And my family didnt have the luxury of choice.."

Lots of guys went to jail rather than go to Vietnam, or dodged. And they were proven right.

Why didn't your family have that choice?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 5, 2013 - 09:02pm PT

It makes things like Rand Pauls recent fillibuster seem a bit more credible doesnt it..

No, not really. Rand Paul is a plutocrat, not a Real American.

Weren't most of the kids killed just walking to class, not protesting?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 5, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
Weren't most of the kids killed just walking to class, not protesting?

Yes, the understanding is only Allison was actively protesting.

Susan
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 5, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
In what universe is it ok for the military to kill protesting college students?

Not to mention most (if not all) were just walking to/from class….


That's what we can expect from a reactionary government hell bent on stifling public descent of any kind.




rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 5, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
"All the intel captured in the Bin Laden raid, and you think the guy who ordered that raid is going to do nothing with it?"

what are you kidding?!?!!?

that f*#ker was an american interst...
that shits now buried deeper than all those wives and childern NOBODY seems to thinks a bits about...

noticed his family kept mum???

obama didnt raid that place to wrap anything up other than the loose ends of american investment,

and of course to call bullshit on the tinpan patriots domestically who are to stupid to notice hes doing all their heavy lifting for them

gf

climber
May 6, 2013 - 08:20am PT
warbler-that is a great statement-yours?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
May 6, 2013 - 09:12am PT
These days they've become more sophisticated and use drones to do the killing!
jopay

climber
so.il
May 6, 2013 - 11:56am PT
A friend and distance relative Dr.Gregory Payne wrote "Requiem for Kent State".
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