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Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 1, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
"The case has been pending for almost a year. The Complaint before the Court is the fifth pleading filed. Plaintiffs have been accorded every opportunity to adequately plead a case, if one exists. Moreover, the imprecise, in part flimsy, and speculative nature of the claims and theories advanced underscore the necessary conclusion that further amendment would be futile. This case will be dismissed with prejudice."
How is this "blather"? If a party has labored for a year and was unable to construct a viable claim (and believe, from some of the crap complaints I've seen filed, it ain't that hard), I'd say the ruling is a pretty substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against GM.

I'm not saying that the guy may not have to straighten out what appear to be some big improprieties, but perhaps we can now say that at least some of the hype flung at GM may have been just that.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
May 1, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
I'd say the ruling is a pretty substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against GM.

You couldn't be more wrong. It is NOT a substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against Mortenson. It is just a finding that, assuming the allegations are correct, the plaintiffs would not be entitled to any damages.

The court is saying, "So what if Mortenson lied in his book and you purchased the book? We're not going to let you sue him over this, just because you purchased his crappy book."
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 1, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
Graniteclimber may not understand a petty suit over a major principle (like being called a liar), but he is correct in that the court has said that buying a book of lies doesn't make you a fraud victim; it just means you are gullible and thus a candidate for "human".
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
May 1, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
Graniteclimber may not understand a petty suit over a major principle (like being called a liar),

Huh? Seriously, what is that you think I may not understand?

Edit: Lots of people lie every day. Some of them are big lies and some of them are little lies. But you aren't entitled to damages everytime someone lies to you.

If I could get damages every time I bought or read a book (hey I invested my time...) that has falsehoods in it, I'd be rich.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
May 1, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
GM may deserve jail time, unlikely he'll get it.



TheTool
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 1, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
It is NOT a substantive finding on the merits of the allegations against Mortenson. It is just a finding that, assuming the allegations are correct, the plaintiffs would not be entitled to any damages.
When I posted my response, I didn't want to get too involved in the possible nature of the dispositive ruling. I don't know if it was a demurrer, motion for summary judgment, etc. I was thinking about putting a caveat that the plaintiffs could have been undone by whatever legal theory of recovery they pursued, but didn't want to bore everyone to tears.

Having said that, court are very generous in giving parties ample opportunity to state a cause of action. If a party can't do so, unless they were dinged on a statute of limitations issue or some other procedural defect, I personally have to belief there was likely little merit to the claim. The dismissal appears to have been on substantive grounds, not procedural.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
May 2, 2012 - 02:00am PT
. CAI is invigorated by the news. Greg is on his way overseas. Our dual mission continues unabated

Off to save the world again!
He is like Batman, Mother Teresa and Fat Albert all rolled only one.
Lol

"A fool and his money will soon be parting."
Sometimes ya got to give it to the sociopaths of the world.
They do remind us how pathetic, feeble and ignorant many of us can be from time to time.
It's their world; we supposed "good people" are just cattle to be manipulated.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 2, 2012 - 02:05am PT
There is this huge confusion of details, legalities and whatnot but what I would like to know should be quite empirical and possible to check

Where schools built or not? Did the numbers and strength of those school live up to what the organization publicized?

Peace

Karl
Silver

Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
May 2, 2012 - 06:27am PT
I just gave 300 bucks to St. Jude's Children's Hospital.

I am 100% positive they got it and the money will go to helping a child in need.

I actually gave it to a ten year old girl from one of the local boys n girls club who decided it was more important to help SJCH than get gifts for her tenth birthday. She raised 1150.00 for the kids. Really inspiring young lady.


So get back to giving to local charities and know your donations are being spent properly.


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 24, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
It is going to be on 60 Minutes again.
I wonder if there are any updates.





EDIT
yes.
He is now a CAI employee unable to access funds (and he paid back over $1M.)
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jun 24, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
Thanks Ron; interesting update certainly. Even this dramatic liquidity of his is peculiar.
Bad Climber

climber
Jun 24, 2012 - 08:13pm PT
Being sued over a fact/fiction in a book is silly, but the one million dollar slam from the state is no joke. I'm really glad Karakauer brought the hammer down on this guy. The press release from CAI is huge spin, for sure, but not unexpected. I sure most of the people working there believe in the mission. Personally, I'm putting money locally.

Oh well.

BAd
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jun 24, 2012 - 08:47pm PT
Where schools built or not? Did the numbers and strength of those school live up to what the organization publicized?


Apparently it’s difficult verifying the numbers and quality of schools in these areas of the world.

CAI claims to have built or helped to build 78 schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan; and also supports 48 schools in refugee camps in the region. In 2011 CAI asserted to have paid salaries of 114 full time teachers.

Sixty minutes and Mr Krakauer declared many of the schools were empty but CAI protested that some schools serve nomadic peoples who did not reside in the locale when reporters proposed that they were “empty”.
Dolomite

climber
Anchorage
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:04am PT
Collateral damage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/business/media/david-oliver-relin-co-author-of-three-cups-of-tea-dies-at-49.html?smid=fb-share

10b4me

Boulder climber
u.s. 395
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:07am PT
^^^ sad
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
Perhaps we need to say it outright rather than as a link: David Oliver Relin has taken his own life. He was the co-author of Three Cups of Tea, the much disputed account of Mortensen coming off a failed attempt on K2 and on this new journey discovering his charitable self etc etc. Relin's death is very troubling and very sad. It occurred November 15 in Oregon.

the two authors in earlier days:

Morgan

Trad climber
East Coast
Dec 3, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
Were schools built?

I think so. Members of the 2008 K2 Tall Mountain Expedition paid a visit to the school that Jack Tackle funded. Andy Selters took pictures there.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
sad

I wonder if his decision was directly related to the TCT scandal? And I wonder what he knew, or was he duped himself.

In any case very sad.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
Mr. Relin suffered major depression, apparently, because of legal fees and steep down turn in his writing career from the Three Cups of Tea controversy.

…especially mournful since,…ostensibly, he’d been unaware there were major fabrications in Greg Mortenson’s account of events in the book.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
hey there, say, jenny and all, thank you for sharing...

:(


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