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Marlow
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Japan: Hamilton within comfort zone once again on top...
In MotoGP: Marquez had to fight hard for Thailand...
And off topic - MMA: Nurmagomedov dominated completely during the fight with McGregor...
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Reilly
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Exciting finish between Bottas and Mad Max. Amazing how quickly Bottas pulled away both times Max got within sniffing distance.
Are Japanese fans the best or what? You know they’re the most polite!
As Lewis said Suzuka is the very best track.
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Tarbuster
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Lots of action in that race and plenty to unpack!
Vettel sure got a fantastic start. Then contact between Verstappen and both Ferrari. Three 5 second penalties throughout the race: Verstappen, Alonso, and Stroll.
Toward the end it looked like with Bottas' tire problems and lockups, Verstappen maybe had a chance to take second on the podium.
Tons of overtaking happening throughout the race, always good for spectating and the sport.
Here's a concept: however they qualify, it seems Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull teams could have all of their drivers handicapped at the back of the entire pack for the start, and they would still come out at the end of the race ahead of the rest of the pack!
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Oct 27, 2018 - 11:05am PT
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Formula One: Austin Texas!
Missed it last week, but they just replayed it …
Kimi wins!
 113 races since his last win in Australia, 2013
Most successful Finnish driver: (21? F1 wins)
His 50th podium for Ferrari
At 39 years old, the oldest driver since Nigel Mansell (?) to win an F1 race (1994)
Broke the record for the longest stretch between F1 wins
Right at the end, Hamilton sure put in some exciting bids to get by Verstappen in second place to clinch the driver's championship. But no dice. Hamilton third.
Vettel did actually get by Bottas, taking fourth.
Ricciardo DNF again! Oh my...
What a fantastic track:
Circuit of the Americas seems to be tailor-made to test handling and extract G force. You can really see the inside front tires becoming unweighted on some of those corners.
Watching qualifying for Mexico City now.
Ricciardo just set the track record in Q1. Alonso got way out of shape & almost wrecked catastrophically, passing Vandoorne in the process and saving it.
Q2: Ver, Ham, Vet
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Oct 27, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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Mmm-kay … That was exciting!
Sure looked like Verstappen was going to be the youngest pole-sitter.
Then Ricciardo had the fastest sector just before their final shootout.
After 7 DNFs this year, he nabbed it!
Red Bull's 60th pole position
Q3:
Ricciardo
Verstappen
Hamilton
Vettel
Bottas
Räikkönen
Afterward, Max shook Daniel's hand, then Lewis followed suit.
Next, Hamilton took a good look at the cockpit of Daniel's car …
I love F1 technology: it seems like every other race the fenestrated aerodynamic sculptures of those front wings get a tuneup.
It's really fun to see all of the detail on the cars in the pits, not to mention all the ancillary gadgets that get attached to the cars while they are being tweaked.
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Reilly
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Oct 27, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
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Having studied some aerodynamics, enough to not be dangerous, and knowing one of the world’s most famous aerodynamicists (he has three of his designs in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum) I find those ‘fenestrations’ too cutesy and likely over-designed. In particular I question whether the drag they engender at lower speeds is compensated for by their high speed worth. The main question though is that how can all those little pieces not develope a lot of ‘intersection drag’? That is a major concern on fighters, which is why they tend to look ‘clean’, although Mach 2 is many orders of magnitude greater than 350 kph.
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G_Gnome
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Oct 27, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
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But fighters don't sit on the ground. And they don't try to follow each other around. If they didn't work they wouldn't be there. Newey in particular is probably the best at this time and while the red bull is slightly different then the rest it isn't significant.
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JimT
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Oct 28, 2018 - 05:31am PT
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You mean like the front wing cascades and stuff?
The designer is trying to produce both downforce and groups of vortices which combine together to make airstreams going under the car, around the suspension components, into the brake cooling ducts, the radiators and whatever else they want. And get it all to function at both slow and high speeds and in clean or dirty air.
Aircraft designers have it easy, nobody stops them making whatever they want and they are allowed moving parts!
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ron gomez
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Oct 28, 2018 - 07:33am PT
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A lot of the aero package is designed to move air over and around the cars, hence all the dirty air behind the car making drafting difficult to manage the air over the following car. Down force is critical to keeping cars on the track in blazing turns, the drag reduction system built into the rear wing is about the only thing on the car that allows for "adjustment" of air flow control while moving on the track. Ever notice how sometimes if the front wing is damaged...it has little effect in car performance? Those winglets move air over the car. There is obviously much more to the aero packages, but a lot of effort is put into getting all the air over and behind the car. Hoping for a good race today.
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Reilly
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Oct 28, 2018 - 10:12am PT
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You mean like the front wing cascades Yes, those are my main beef. Overly complicated and ‘draggy’. Just because everybody is doing it doesn’t mean it is right or that simpler would not be better. Over-design is a constant problem in so many things as designers try to justify their existence. Good design is the simplest design. I know these guys are smart and have all the coolest toys, it’s just that those fussy widgets are counterintuitive.
groups of vortices which combine together
‘Vortices’ are drag, pure and simple - no ifs, ands, or buts. They are the result of what I referred to previously as ‘intersection drag’. The reason that airliners have winglets is to diminish wingtip vortices - huge drag factors.
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FRUMY
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Oct 28, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
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No Reilly, you have studied enough to be dangerous.
They know what they are doing!
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Oct 28, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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Good design is the simplest design What was it Colin Chapman said ... Add lightness?
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Oct 28, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
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The start in Mexico City was entertaining, with Max AND Lewis ripping past Daniel on pole.
When it was stated that this track has the longest straight before turn one, I was thinking Mercedes might do some leapfrogging at the start.
Overall, though, this race was not as exciting as last year's Mexican GP.
Then … those delicate aerodynamic widgets we were just discussing, instantly turning into carbon fiber confetti when they get nicked, and some of that day-brie getting sucked up by Alonso's car and costing him his race.
I guess Verstappen and the Red Bull chassis are suited to that track: with his second Mexican GP win, and well ahead of the other cars each time – at just south of 20 seconds last year and somewhere near 15 seconds this year ahead of second-place, and this time with his car just limping in, he ain't complaining.
Hamilton, even with poor tires and subpar performance from Mercedes overall, gets his fifth world championship!
Verstappen's fifth podium in seven races.
Ricciardo, however, with his 8th DNF this season, has to be beyond furious.
Two races to go …
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JimT
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Munich
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Oct 29, 2018 - 03:04am PT
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Yes, those are my main beef. Overly complicated and ‘draggy’. Just because everybody is doing it doesn’t mean it is right or that simpler would not be better. Over-design is a constant problem in so many things as designers try to justify their existence. Good design is the simplest design. I know these guys are smart and have all the coolest toys, it’s just that those fussy widgets are counterintuitive.
‘Vortices’ are drag, pure and simple - no ifs, ands, or buts. They are the result of what I referred to previously as ‘intersection drag’. The reason that airliners have winglets is to diminish wingtip vortices - huge drag factors.
Good design is one which gives the best results for the required parameters, "simplest" is just trite rubbish.
Vortices are a useful tool for flow designers, there are plenty of applications where they are essential for the function of the device.
F1 designers aren´t interested in only reducing drag, they need the correct balance of downforce, drag and airflow. The front wing is vitally important as it is the only area where the designer can get undisturbed air and direct it around or through the rest of the car and the cascade is the only part of the wing available for them to control the entire airflow (the middle of the wing must be neutral).
Clearly simpler isn´t better, look at how complicated the cascade is on a Red Bull and then on the rubbish that drives round at the back.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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My notes from the Brazilian Grand Prix, 2018.
Autódromo José Carlos Pace a.k.a. Interlagos, looks like a pretty nice, old-school track, laid out over natural terrain with lots of elevation changes and challenging turns.
Lap record from 2017, by Max Verstappen @ 1:11.0
On the grid:
1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Bottas
4 Raikkonen
5 Verstappen
Mercedes 1-2 at the start, with Bottas getting past Vettel, then Verstappen passed Raikkonen, but Raikkonen quickly regained his place from Verstappen.
Lots of action all through the pack in the first couple of laps.
L3: Verstappen again overtook Raikkonen
L4: Max overtook Vettel!
L7: Hamilton, Bottas, Verstappen, Raikkonen, Vettel, Ricciardo (up from 11th)
L 10: Verstappen in second place
L 17: Hamilton leading by 1.8 seconds
L 19: Hamilton first in for a tire change
L 21: Verstappen fastest lap @ 1:13, in first place
L 28: Vettel gets the fastest pitstop I've ever seen @1.9 seconds
L 29: Ricciardo fastest lap @ 1:12.9
L 40: Verstappen overtook Hamilton! Both on new tires, Max on yellow, Hamilton on slightly older whites.
L 43: Vettel defending against Ricciardo
L 44: Verstappen hit by back marker Ocon, trying to un-lap himself on fresher, supersoft tires.
– This is a race defining event for Verstappen, who spun out and sustained damage to this floor.
L 46: Ricciardo overtook Vettel
L 50: Ricciardo 1 second faster than race leader Hamilton (Lewis with his power unit dialed down)
L 57: Hamilton leading Verstappen and Raikkonen. Ricciardo, in fifth, nipping at Bottas in fourth position.
L 59: Ricciardo overtook Bottas
L 63: Ricciardo fastest lap @ 1:11.343
L 65: Bottas, on new tires, fastest lap @ 1:10.845
L 66: Lewis led Max by 2 seconds
L 71: Hamilton took checkered flag, followed by Verstappen, Raikkonen, Ricicardo, Bottas, Vettel.
Hamilton has won 50 out of the 99 turbo hybrid era races.
Mercedes clinches fifth consecutive constructor’s championship.
Driver of the Day: Max Verstappen. He vacated the podium as soon as the corks were popped, then pushed Ocon at the scales, hoping to punch him out!
Can't say that I blame him. Force India actually gave Ocon radio approval for him to try to pass Max, because he was on fresher, stickier tires and had a different race to run.
But stuffing himself into the apex at the expense of the first place runner?
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Reilly
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
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Ocon is an idiot but Mad Max is still an ass hole.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
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And there you have it. Apparently they have history. Sounds like a ... relationship !
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Reilly
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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Verstappen has lived in Monaco since October 2015, claiming it was not for tax reasons. Wikipedia
BwaHaHaHa!
Apparently he also suffers from cognitive dissonance in addition to anger issues.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:47pm PT
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I wouldn't even call that cognitive dissonance. Just outright BS.
They go there to tax shelter and mingle with all of the other beautiful people and all of their beautiful money.
I enjoyed today's race.
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Reilly
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:51pm PT
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That were a phunny, sir, if a less than Tar worthy one. 🤡
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