HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:16am PT
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A brief update-
I've heard from a large number of people willing to contribute their time or money. Thanks for all your offers!
So far we have people in chrage of electric and plumbing jobs. The great need at this time is for someone to volunteer to take charge of the roofing project. Clearly a local would be best, but if anyone is willing to travel here that could work as well. If you're willing to take on this task please get in touch with me. Another option would be to hire a local roofer, but this would greatly add to the costs involved.
My hope is that we can get this done before the heat of the summer sets in. For this to happen we have to act fast. This week I'll be checking on some things with the county building department.
Thanks again to all the folks who have offered to help so far. I'll be in touch when plans are firmed up.
Brandt Allen
email: lballenjr@gmail.com
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jstan
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:54am PT
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Oof!
I guess I could understand shingles blowing off like that if the decking is badly degraded due to heat/leaks. But that should show up through a lot of popped nails. 2:12 roofs here are built according to Peter's UBC code but our roof also decreased the lap to 4". A low angle roof facing the prevailing wind has a hard time of it.
Would not be surprised if the decking needs to be looked at. Home Depot's 0.45" plywood just went up a dollar to $13.97 a sheet. OSB is cheaper of course.
Brandt, I would be interested in your experience down at Building. As I remember today(Tuesday) is the day they are there. Long lines. Need to get there really early. Worse than the DMV by a factor of two.
Never done a built-up roof. Can be a bear, I think.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 12, 2011 - 09:17am PT
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Man that roof is bogus! Power feed, mast and bellweather look good though.
What about a metal roof? Easy to install, durable, long lasting and affordable.
They can be used as a rain water collection system for gardening. Unless the local ordinances prohibit such intelligent conservation.
Will the neighbors blow a biscuit if the Gordon clan enters the 21st century?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 12, 2011 - 09:58am PT
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man, i'd love to put a metal roof on my mom's house. frickin pine needles.
the last time i looked into metal roofs for residential, the initial cost was a lot higher, but of course longterm the maintenance is minimal. i've never installed one myself.
i'd be surprised if zoning up there actively forbids metal roofing.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:59am PT
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Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. They only underscore the need for an experienced, professional roofer who is familiar with the local code to lead this project.
John - I recently got the final inspection for a detached garage and guestroom on my property, so I have some experience with the Building Dept. in that regard. They changed their office day to Wednesday so that's where I'll be tomorrow. I've found that going late in the day avoids the crowds and that there is often an inspector in the office at that time to answer questions.
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:29pm PT
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Hand crack, thanks for taking on this challange. I have been around a lot of metal roofing. Just out of curiosity I googled "roofing supplier's joshua tree ca". Then called a few of the local roofing companies to try yo find some one near there who supplies corragated metal roofing,, not much luck.
If you live in the area do you know of any roofing supply companies that I could contact for pricing info? Although I live 3000 miles away I could try to help in this way at least. Compare shingles to metal...find out who delivers ect..
A few other questions..
Have you been to the house to look at the roof? It looks like there is a split pitch on at least part of the roof, wonder what the pitch on the lower roof is? Does not appear to have any hips or valleys..
What are the dimensions of the roof ( for square footage)?
What type of plywood and under layment is under the shingles?
What length of nail ( 1/2 5/8 7/8 1 1/4?)and what type of nail pattern were used on the old roof? ( this could have a lot to do with it failing, in high wind areas they recommend 6 staggered nails high and low on the part of the shingle that is covered) Close up photo's from Todd would help.
Asphalt shingles are supposed to kind of melt together after they are installed, that is what the tar patch on the shingle at the overlap that is covered by the one above is for. You would think in J tree the melting would not be the problem, it would be easy to check and see if these shingles are adhering in this way. I think in the old days you had to remove a plastic wrap strip that covered the tar before installing, perhaps this was not done.
They have a lot of new types of underlayment now too, like Titanium UDL.
http://www.interwrap.com/titanium/udl_30_main.html
If you knew the old roof was installed improperly this might help with a decision to use shingles this time (installed correctly this time).
Just my two cents from the peanut gallery.
John Hansen
Quality Builders
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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I know that Tuckers casita at the Cohn Ranch has a relatively new metal roof. It's beautiful and functional. I would not be concerned about other fix up's til the new roof is in place.
I recently had a new cheap (asphalt ?) shingle roof put on to replace 30 year old wood shake. Home Depot quoted me nearly $25,000. My son in law did it for a little over $10,000.
If I wasn't up to my ears in making over my home to accomodate 5 more people who have moved in I would help dig in and spearhead this.
Get someone from Home Depot to come out and look at Todd's roof and tell you what exactly what needs to be done and give you an estimate. Take notes and we can go from there. Just a suggestion, Cheers....Lynne
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 02:26pm PT
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In regard to John Hansen's post:
You bring up many good questions, which makes it all the more clear that whoever leads this project must know their stuff. As soon as we find this person I'll meet with him at Todd's house to see exactly what work is needed. Presumably he would know of a local source for materials and could work up an estimate for the job.
Put the word out, folks. Help find the right man for the job!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 12, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
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Rubberized membrane w/acrylic topcoat. Works on any pitch, no issues with wind, ends with a white top coat for cooler roof, similar cost and better longevity than asphalt shingles (which have realistically about 10yr lifespan in the desert). Easily repaired.
I just had a ~1200sqft house + 4 car detached garage done for $5k materials and labor.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Apr 13, 2011 - 10:01am PT
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I like the rubberized membrane idea. Good luck with the projects.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 13, 2011 - 10:10am PT
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A couple of bids from local licensed roofing companies would be a good place to start. Desert roofs are a whole different animal.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2011 - 10:40am PT
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yep, having a couple of professionals look at it would probably be the best idea.
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Ricky
climber
Sometimes LA
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Apr 13, 2011 - 11:05am PT
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New sheathing and torch down roofing. Carefully. With that pitch treat it like a flat roof, EPDM or torch down, and rubber will require more maintenance against the sun out there.
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jstan
climber
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Apr 13, 2011 - 11:06am PT
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There are a lot of good shingle roofs near Todd. Aerodynamically I don't see his site being unusual.
The helicopter house above the JBWD tank on Park Blvd needed a special roof, but that was unique.
I wonder if there was a problem with the installation.
Had not heard of Titanium UDL. Get a lot of bleeding out in JT and after 40 years the felt is like a
cracker. At $17/SQ($34/SQ installed) that stuff sounds almost too good to be true. Some kind of Tyvek?
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Ricky
climber
Sometimes LA
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Apr 13, 2011 - 11:16am PT
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If shingles bitchathane the whole thing.
And address roof venting.
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khanom
Trad climber
The Dessert
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Apr 13, 2011 - 11:23am PT
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Oh come on. You know there's only one solution.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Apr 13, 2011 - 12:19pm PT
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Whats that Eric? Move to the Islands?
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 15, 2011 - 09:53am PT
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The latest news -
It looks like we were somewhat over-optimistic in thinking we could find someone in the climbing community to step forward and head up the roofing work. I've spoken with Todd and we've come up with another plan of attack. We will get in touch with local roofing contractors and have them come inspect the site, discuss various options for re-roofing, and give an estimate for the job. Hopefully the one Todd chooses will agree to let him have the demo/prep work done beforehand by volunteers, which should help cut the cost somewhat.
Presumably the electric and plumbing work can go ahead as planned.
I will be posting info on how you all can help at a future date, once we have a clearer idea of the costs involved.
Stay tuned!
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socalbolter
Sport climber
Silverado, CA
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Apr 15, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
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Brandt -
Make sure you (or Todd) request that the contractor gives you separate line item pricing for the tear-off (existing roof removal) and the new roof install. This way we'll have a value for both independently.
You can also ask them for expected allowances for roof structure or sheathing repairs. While these numbers can vary in their reliability, they will at least give us an expectation of what the contractor(s) anticipate having to deal with.
Someone mentioned upthread (Lynne?) having Home Depot submit a price. Definitely hit them up for a number, as their written scopes of work are usually pretty complete.
 Louie
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 15, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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I've found Home Depot to be super hit and miss. For high volume installs like carpet, their contractors have to be good just to handle the volume and potential complaints. For more custom stuff, like possibly a roof, the contractors are not necessarily going to be the best available in the area. A contractor makes less money working for HD as well, and the most desperate and incompetent might see HD as an easier doorway to customers. That said, it's just a bid. Ask for and check a couple references. Also, I wouldn't expect the tear-off to save a ton. That goes down very fast. You might get your savings and quality in dealing with the roof sheating yourself and doing it right. Roofers are not carpenters. Good luck,
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