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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 8, 2013 - 01:16am PT
Everything many of us predicted !!

Where are the nuke experts now ???
F*#king idiots ...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 8, 2013 - 02:06am PT
a 500 lb tuna that glows at night would be so cool,

add 2 heads and 3 tails and you have a license to print money if you own a small sub,

why don't they just send that MOX to Iran so we can get off this miserable planet?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 10, 2013 - 03:44am PT
Japan, while a modern society, Japanese culture and governance still retains aspects of its feudal shogunate heritage which is quite suitable to the administration of the country's infrastructure. However, many of those same aspects can represent significant obstacles to the effective management of large-scale emergencies / failures which entail a human-error component.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Aug 12, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Fukashima may contaminate the entire Pacific Ocean?

..And create Godzilla and it'll attack New York. Film at 11 etc etc..

Seriously
Those fuel pellets are not supposed to be water soluble are they?


http://rt.com/op-edge/japan-fukushima-contamination-environment-229/






TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
August 23, 2013 - Nuclear Expert Reports Fukushima Leak
“Much Worse Than We Were Led To Believe.” Report upcoming.

Not only have more than 80,000 gallons of highly radioactive water leaked from very damaged Unit 3 containment tank - the BBC reports today that radioactive water is leaking all over the TEPCO site with no accurate figures for radiation levels that are extremely high. Further in a Wednesday night phone press conference, TEPCO's Vice Pres. Zengo Aizawa asked for international help saying, “The contaminated water remains a problem that could lead to a crisis.”

“It is leaking out from the basements,
it is leaking out from the cracks all over the place.”

 Mycle Schneider, Independent Nuclear Consultant



“It's like a haunted house and mishaps keep happening one after the other.
We have to look into how we can reduce the risks and how to
prevent it from becoming a fatal or serious incident.”

 Shunichi Tanaka, Chairman, Japan's Nuclear Regulation Authority
hb81

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
We have to look into how we can reduce the risks and how to
prevent it from becoming a fatal or serious incident.”

BECOMING a serious incident? Half your f*#king plant blew up, remember?
I really hope this is just a case of "lost in translation"...
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Aug 26, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Fukushima in freefall: radioactive water filters taken offline,
Tepco in desperation as leaks just won't stop (into the ocean)

Calling for international help and has all but admitted radiation leaks are spiraling out of control.

http://www.naturalnews.com/041800_Fukushima_radiation_leaks_desperation.html

Bargainhunter

climber
Aug 27, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Just what we feared has happened, and the response continues to be inadequate and ineffective.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 28, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Japan should turn Fukushima into a cancer radiotherapy clinic where Americans can receive "radiation treatments" for cancer, because we all know that radiation prevents cancer, right? That's what the cancer clinics tell us, anyway.

Fukushima can become the world's newest medical tourism hot spot for cancer patients. Walk in with cancer and you'll walk out with so many other symptoms that you won't even notice the cancer anymore! That's the miracle of modern medical science. Sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline, of course.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041800_Fukushima_radiation_leaks_desperation.html#ixzz2dFFYcpDe
Bargainhunter

climber
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Now, Tepco corrects itself and finds radiation at the site is 1800% worse than previously thought, enough to "kill an exposed person in 4 hours." There is also another new pipe leak.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/01/217883557/radiocative-water-leak-at-fukushima-worse-than-first-thought
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Absolutely unreal ...
That penthouse pool of goodies is going to collapse.
How have they not had a massive crane pulling those rods out of there one at a time to reduce the radiation load.
Couldn't a safer containment and cooling facility been built 10 miles away?
Pull them out one at a time - drop them in a lead lined truck filled with cold Margareta mix and get it on over to the other building ?


Just as a question ?
What would happen if they just nuked the site ?
Would you get an exponential release of radiation because of all the radioactive material on site ?
Or would it be consumed in a different way and given off as heat and light?
Maybe less radiation because of more fusion and less fission ?


healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 1, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Yes, that TEPCO is still in charge of the site about says it all.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
The Japanese government is stepping up to "take charge".

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24001884/japan-fund-ice-wall-stop-reactor-leaks

Japan to fund ice wall to contain reactor leaks
By MARI YAMAGUCHI Associated Press
Posted: 09/03/2013 12:46:49 AM MDT

TOKYO—The Japanese government announced Tuesday that it will spend $470 million on a subterranean ice wall and other steps in a desperate bid to stop leaks of radioactive water from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant after repeated failures by the plant's operator.

The decision is widely seen as an attempt to show that the nuclear accident won't be a safety concern just days before the International Olympic Committee chooses among Tokyo, Istanbul and Madrid as the host of the 2020 Olympics.

The Fukushima Dai-ichi plant has been leaking hundreds of tons of contaminated underground water into the sea since shortly after a massive 2011 earthquake and tsunami damaged the complex. Several leaks from tanks storing radioactive water in recent weeks have heightened the sense of crisis that the plant's owner, Tokyo Electric Power Co., isn't able to contain the problem.

"Instead of leaving this up to TEPCO, the government will step forward and take charge," Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said after adopting the outline. "The world is watching if we can properly handle the contaminated water but also the entire decommissioning of the plant."

The government plans to spend an estimated 47 billion yen ($470 million) through the end of March 2015 on two projects—32 billion yen ($320 million) on the ice wall and 15 billion yen ($150 million) on an upgraded water treatment unit that is supposed to remove all radioactive elements except water-soluble tritium—according to energy agency official Tatsuya Shinkawa.

The government, however, is not paying for urgently needed water tanks and other equipment that TEPCO is using to contain leaks. Shinkawa said the funding is limited to "technologically challenging projects" but the government is open to additional help when needed.

The ice wall would freeze the ground to a depth of up to 30 meters (100 feet) through a system of pipes carrying a coolant as cold as minus 40 degrees Celsius (minus 40 Fahrenheit). That would block contaminated water from escaping from the facility's immediate surroundings, as well as keep underground water from entering the reactor and turbine buildings, where much of the radioactive water has collected.

The project, which TEPCO and the government proposed in May, is being tested for feasibility by Japanese construction giant Kajima Corp. and is set for completion by March 2015.

Similar methods have been used to block water from parts of tunnels and subways, but building a 1.4-kilometer (0.9-mile) wall that surrounds four reactor buildings and their related facilities is unprecedented.

An underground ice wall has been used to isolate radioactive waste at the U.S. Department of Energy's former site of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee that produced plutonium, but only for six years, according to the MIT Technology Review magazine.

Some experts are still skeptical about the technology and say the running costs would be a huge burden.

Atsunao Marui, an underground water expert at the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, said a frozen wall could be water-tight but is normally intended for use for a few years and is not proven for long-term use as planned in the outline. The decommissioning process is expected to take about 40 years.

"We still need a few layers of safety backups in case it fails," Marui told The Associated Press. "Plus the frozen wall won't be ready for another two years, which means contaminated water would continue to leak out."

Marui said additional measures should be taken to stop contaminated water from traveling under the seabed during that time and leaking further out at sea.

TEPCO has been pumping water into the wrecked reactors to cool nuclear fuel that melted when the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami knocked out the plant's power and cooling systems. The utility has built more than 1,000 tanks holding 335,000 tons of contaminated water at the plant, and the amount grows by 400 tons daily. Some tanks have sprung leaks, spilling contaminated water onto the ground.

After spending on the ice wall, the remainder of the public funding—15 billion yen until March 2015—will go to the development and production of a water treatment unit that can treat larger amounts of contaminated water more thoroughly than an existing machine, which is under repair after corrosion was found during a test run.

Nuclear Regulation Authority Chairman Shunichi Tanaka has repeatedly said that the contaminated water cannot be stored in tanks forever and eventually must be released into the sea after being fully processed and diluted, but only with local consent.

Other measures include replacing rubber-seamed storage tanks with more durable welded tanks as quickly as possible, and pumping out untainted underground water further inland for release into the sea to reduce the total amount of water flowing into the plant site. About 1,000 tons of underground water runs into the complex every day.

TEPCO is also constructing an offshore wall of steel panels to keep contaminants from spreading further into the sea. The utility says radioactive elements have mostly remained near the embankment inside the bay, but experts have reported offshore "hot spots" of sediments contaminated with high levels of cesium.

The leaks came as Tokyo headed into the final days of the contest to host the 2020 Summer Olympics. With anti-government demonstrations plaguing Istanbul's bid and a recession and high Spanish unemployment hanging over Madrid's candidacy, Tokyo is pushing its bid as the safe choice in uncertain times.

The IOC is to select the 2020 host on Sept. 7 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
Wow,

470 million bucks from the Japanese Government to try and stop water from doing what water does best by running to the sea.

That aught to be enough...

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Unfortunately, its going to take 2 years for the ice wall to be built and start containing the leaks. Not so good.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:06pm PT


That's SO much money. Millions (MILLIONS !) of dollars....

I nominate Dr. Evil for observer status.
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
If it is true, like the nuclear industry assures us, that radioactive fish
taste just like chicken, what is the big concern?


Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Instead of Syria, we should send billions and teams of scientists and engineers to Japan and fix this Now.


This is a matter of the future of all life on earth. Where is the UN?

We should be working on robotics to work on the core, we should be building giant holding vessels to contain the cooling water so it doesn't leak, we should be transferring the contents to other areas to be disposed of in secure underground holding areas.

We need to get busy, this is worldwide cataclysmic time bomb.
Why is only Japan involved? We can't trust them to fix this, we have to act Now!
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 21, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
Time for a Global Takeover
The Crisis at Fukushima 4
by HARVEY WASSERMAN

We are now within two months of what may be humankind’s most dangerous moment since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

There is no excuse for not acting. All the resources our species can muster must be focussed on the fuel pool at Fukushima Unit 4.

Fukushima’s owner, Tokyo Electric (Tepco), says that within as few as 60 days it may begin trying to remove more than 1300 spent fuel rods from a badly damaged pool perched 100 feet in the air. The pool rests on a badly damaged building that is tilting, sinking and could easily come down in the next earthquake, if not on its own.

Some 400 tons of fuel in that pool could spew out more than 15,000 times as much radiation as was released at Hiroshima.

The one thing certain about this crisis is that Tepco does not have the scientific, engineering or financial resources to handle it. Nor does the Japanese government. The situation demands a coordinated worldwide effort of the best scientists and engineers our species can muster.

Why is this so serious?

We already know that thousands of tons of heavily contaminated water are pouring through the Fukushima site, carrying a devil’s brew of long-lived poisonous isotopes into the Pacific. Tuna irradiated with fallout traceable to Fukushima have already been caught off the coast of California. We can expect far worse.

Tepco continues to pour more water onto the proximate site of three melted reactor cores it must somehow keep cool.Steam plumes indicate fission may still be going on somewhere underground. But nobody knows exactly where those cores actually are.

Much of that irradiated water now sits in roughly a thousand huge but fragile tanks that have been quickly assembled and strewn around the site. Many are already leaking. All could shatter in the next earthquake, releasing thousands of tons of permanent poisons into the Pacific. Fresh reports show that Tepco has just dumped another thousand tons of contaminated liquids into the sea ( http://www.alternet.org/environment/ ).

The water flowing through the site is also undermining the remnant structures at Fukushima, including the one supporting the fuel pool at Unit Four.

More than 6,000 fuel assemblies now sit in a common pool just 50 meters from Unit Four. Some contain plutonium. The pool has no containment over it. It’s vulnerable to loss of coolant, the collapse of a nearby building, another earthquake, another tsunami and more.

Overall, more than 11,000 fuel assemblies are scattered around the Fukushima site. According to long-time expert and former Department of Energy official Robert Alvarez, there is more than 85 times as much lethal cesium on site as was released at Chernobyl.

Radioactive hot spots continue to be found around Japan. There are indications of heightened rates of thyroid damage among local children.

The immediate bottom line is that those fuel rods must somehow come safely out of the Unit Four fuel pool as soon as possible.

Just prior to the 3/11/11 earthquake and tsunami that shattered the Fukushima site, the core of Unit Four was removed for routine maintenance and refueling. Like some two dozen reactors in the US and too many more around the world, the General Electric-designed pool into which that core now sits is 100 feet in the air.

Spent fuel must somehow be kept under water. It’s clad in zirconium alloy which will spontaneously ignite when exposed to air. Long used in flash bulbs for cameras, zirconium burns with an extremely bright hot flame.

Each uncovered rod emits enough radiation to kill someone standing nearby in a matter of minutes. A conflagration could force all personnel to flee the site and render electronic machinery unworkable.

According to Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer with forty years in an industry for which he once manufactured fuel rods, the ones in the Unit 4 core are bent, damaged and embrittled to the point of crumbling. Cameras have shown troubling quantities of debris in the fuel pool, which itself is damaged.

The engineering and scientific barriers to emptying the Unit Four fuel pool are unique and daunting, says Gundersen. But it must be done to 100% perfection.

Should the attempt fail, the rods could be exposed to air and catch fire, releasing horrific quantities of radiation into the atmosphere. The pool could come crashing to the ground, dumping the rods together into a pile that could fission and possibly explode. The resulting radioactive cloud would threaten the health and safety of all us.

Chernobyl’s first 1986 fallout reached California within ten days. Fukushima’s in 2011 arrived in less than a week. A new fuel fire at Unit 4 would pour out a continuous stream of lethal radioactive poisons for centuries.

Former Ambassador Mitsuhei Murata says full-scale releases from Fukushima “would destroy the world environment and our civilization. This is not rocket science, nor does it connect to the pugilistic debate over nuclear power plants. This is an issue of human survival.”

Neither Tokyo Electric nor the government of Japan can go this alone. There is no excuse for deploying anything less than a coordinated team of the planet’s best scientists and engineers.

We have two months or less to act.

For now, we are petitioning the United Nations and President Obama to mobilize the global scientific and engineering community to take charge at Fukushima and the job of moving these fuel rods to safety.

You can sign the petition at: http://www.nukefree.org/crisis-fukushima-4-petition-un-us-global-response

If you have a better idea, please follow it. But do something and do it now.

The clock is ticking. The hand of global nuclear disaster is painfully close to midnight.

Harvey Wasserman edits www.nukefree.org and is author of SOLARTOPIA! Our Green-Powered Earth. His SOLARTOPIA GREEN POWER & WELLNESS SHOW is at www.prn.fm
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Oct 4, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Just a little "I told you so" to those Nuclear fans who claimed the residents would have returned to their homes within a month and that everything would be safe and tidy.

It's completely Fubar still and releasing radioactivity every day into the ocean and there is still every chance the #4 cooling pool will crash to earth and release untold poison into the land, air and seas and force everyone to evacuate and thus cause everything else there to spin into a hell

No nukes. This is just the kind of thing we keep hearing could never happen

Peace

Karl

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/04-6
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