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Trad climber
May 27, 2012 - 08:31am PT
Talks in progress with Russia to develop plans for evacuating 30 million people from Tokyo to the Kuril Islands. "Worst case scenario" they call it. Like if Fuku #4 building - with its 1000 plus spent (and not so spent) rods stored in a leaking tank on the third floor of a damaged building - finally collapses.

Info all over the alternative press - but largely ignored by the corporate media. Your mileage may very.

here is one report

do tin foil hats work for radiation?
I am only hoping Klimmer's ark will fly in at the last minute and save us all from our own stupidity and greed.

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
May 27, 2012 - 08:47am PT
I can't decide if this NHK report is good or bad?
Sounds bad to me.

That is why I brought up the subject of Thorium reactors in the thread to Ed,
There HAS to be a better way.

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
May 27, 2012 - 10:34am PT
F*#king YIKES!

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 27, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Thanks everyone for the updates. Not good news at all.

That video is very sobering.

Mankind is our own worst enemy. We brought this on ourselves. We are so belligerent and stubborn.

We could have developed clean renewable energy resources like using our Sun, doing fusion safely 93 million miles away. But no. You can't put a meter on the Sun and make outlandish and unbelievably immoral profits. The elite wouldn't have the corruptable power they have today. That just wouldn't do. They wouldn't be able to keep their totaliterian boot firmly planted over the throat of mankind.

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
May 27, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
The EPA maintains a set of so-called "Protective Action Guides" (PAGs). These PAGs are being quickly revised to radically increase the allowable levels of iodine-131 (a radioactive isotope) to anywhere from 3,000 to 100,000 times the currently allowable levels.

Whatever anyone chooses to believe about the USA government, public health information, and conspiracies, recall the events immediately after 9/11 when several inches of white dust had settled on the ground for numerous blocks around ground zero and beyond (I was there, saw it, and walked through it - it was like a moonscape), the etertnal smoking plume, and the ensuing EPA coverup. Individuals, families, and parents with young children living in lower Manhattan especially, were freaked out and concerned for their health. The EPA released a falsified public report containing deliberate omissions regarding the scientific test results, informing the USA citizenry that there was NO hazard and the toxic levels were NOT a threat. This outrageous lie was issued to falsely reassure people and prevent a mass exodus from lower Manhattan, to save Wall Street, and/or prevent NYC from being abandoned. Many corporations were eager to hear the news of the New York Stock Exchange being reopened only a few days after the collapse.

EPA scientific tests results had actually shown profoundly dangerous levels of toxins and carcinogens, asbestos being a notable one. IIRC some of the toxic substances were present in some of the highest concentrations ever recorded in the USA in populated areas. It was only through independent scientific testing unaffiliated with the EPA (i.e. the government agency funded by our tax dollars and whose ostensible purpose is to protect us and out environment) that this lie was exposed. This lie was perpetrated at the highest agency and government levels.

So maybe a young couple had an infant and had moved out of lower Manhattan for fear of their child's health; then when the EPA released its falsified and misleading report that the dust (that had interpenetrated EVERYTHING) was safe, they moved back to their contaminated apartment near ground zero, relieved. Workers and volunteers merrily continued working in and around the vast site that ground zero became (where was OSHA?)…the dust that they lived in declared non-toxic by the EPA.

On the one hand, we know from experience that we cannot trust our government to be truthful with us regarding significant public health hazards; one the other hand, there's alarmist press sources that exaggerate risks, or even fabricate news from whole cloth.

The challenge is to find responsible, verifiable, information, in a timely manner.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
May 28, 2012 - 01:41am PT
Love Gasoline - Same thing occured in The Gulf.
We are expected to believe everything is fine and a ridiculous amount of hydrocarbons didn't pollute the hell out of the ecosystem and fish.
Political pressure can easily be measured in the currency of human health and we humans are worth pennies on the body.
To much damn unethical scum in the world.

Trad climber
May 28, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
there goes the sushi...

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 28, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
Damn, I fish and spend time in the ocean as many times a week as time permits. I will keep an eye out for deformed fish...but, in the mean time, this new/old news won't slow me down. It could become a very serious matter though. Thanks for sharing with us Studly. I have been following this on an almost daily basis on another site and it doesn't look good according to them...dire in fact!!

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 28, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
Bluefin tuna from Fukushima that swam to California have been found with 10
times the normal amount of radiation compared to eastern Pacific tuna. It's
figured they were only exposed for a month before they made their migration.
Soon other tuna will show up who wer exposed for many months.

However, some good news may come of this in that it may cause people to
stop fishing for them for awhile and give their stocks time to recover.

Trad climber
Mental Physics........
May 28, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
The Fukushima radiation will no doubt (an addition to other sources) bioaccumulate throughout the ocean and then the terrestrial food chain, causing unknown mutations, cancers and hopefully human (and unfortunately wildlife) dieback.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
May 28, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
Don't eat fish anymore....simple as that

Especially if you are pregnant.

I don't trust these as#@&%es with any news or health warnings related to this subject.
We will never hear the truth if it can in anyway damage the mighty dollar.

So is it worse than a flight to England yet?
Or still about the same?

That is a great way to look at it Jan.

Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 29, 2012 - 01:20am PT

Wow, that is scary(bluefin tuna)! We get the yellow fin tuna running here in SoCal primarily...but that doesn't mean they will be a whole lot safer sometime down the line. They do have yellow fin in Japan, not sure if they also migrate this way. I mainly hook(if i'm lucky)halibut, yellow fin, bonita, barracuda, rockfish and an occasional sand shark, etc. along with mackrel and squid that i use for bait(squid can be fairly tasty if prepared right, though)! I don't believe any of those migrate in large schools via Japan, but i could be wrong and will have to look into the total picture. Thanks for sharing!!

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 29, 2012 - 03:21am PT
There's about to be a shitload of Pacific tuna labeled 'Atlantic tuna'...

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
May 29, 2012 - 08:15am PT
Smartphone with radiation detector announced

For consumers worried about nuclear hotspots after the Fukushima crisis, a personal Geiger counter could soon be as close as your cell phone. Major Japanese phone carrier Softbank is releasing a smartphone this summer with a built-in radiation detector.

The company says a simple touch of the screen lets users measure the radiation around them in about 2 minutes.

Users will be able to save the readings and also keep track of location data.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
May 29, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Urgent Requests for UN Intervention with Fukushima.
On May 1, 2012, nuclear experts and former diplomats issued an “Urgent Request” for UN intervention to stabilize the Fukushima nuclear power plant Unit 4's highly radioactive spent fuel contained in water about 100 feet above the nuclear reactor. U. S. Senator Roy Wyden (Oregon-D) visited Fukushima on April 6, 2012, and issued an April 16, press release describing Unit 4 as a “catastrophic risk.” As of May 2, Japan's Health Ministry reported that radioactive Cesium-137 has been “detected in 51 food products from nine prefectures in excess of a new government-set limit introduced April 1.” [ See Fukushima Update.]

“Nearly all of the 10,893 spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima Daiichi
nuclear power plant sit in pools of water vulnerable to future earthquakes,
with roughly 85 times more long-lived Cesium-137 radioactivity
than released in the Chernobyl disaster.”

 Excerpt from May 1, 2012, urgent requests sent to
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and Japan Prime Minister Noda

Japan is now burning combined radioactive and non-radioactive
debris through 2012 to 2014. What are the implications for increased
radiation in soil, water, plants and food supplies? Nuclear engineer
Arnie Gundersen recently gathered his own soil samples in Tokyo
and reports the soil samples would be considered nuclear
waste in the U. S
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jun 7, 2012 - 01:11am PT

Used early on, now obviously even more ridiculous, as a bench mark comparison for the mild fruity flavor involved in a Nuclear melt down...

So how many Cancers do you think a years worth of 4 reactor melt downs will provide this beuatiful planet?

selfish plague of a species we are...

A lack of radiation is the reason we have life!



Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 14, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
The crisis in Japan has been described as "a nuclear war without a war". In the words of renowned novelist Haruki Murakami:

"This time no one dropped a bomb on us ... We set the stage, we committed the crime with our own hands, we are destroying our own lands, and we are destroying our own lives."
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Aug 19, 2012 - 04:30pm PT

Severe mutations found in butterflies

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Sep 5, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
so we have over a year of radioactive materials raining down on NW US forests, and now we have major forest fires burning all around northern California, filling the air with smoke

wondering about the radioactive content of that smoke

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Sep 5, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
It is ironic about wind patterns. That I can live in Okinawa a couple thousand miles away and have no worries about radiation yet in America, 8,000 miles away, you are getting all the radiation remnants and the tsunami debris thanks to winds and ocean currents determined by the spin of the earth.
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