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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Feb 21, 2011 - 08:47pm PT
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When they closed the park in 1990 for the fires we could still climb. they just wouldn't let us buy or sell alcohol.
edit: of course, they kicked out the tourists and kept the employees sealed in the potential inferno. it was one way to get try and get rid of the curry lifers :)
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Captain...or Skully
climber
The Seas of Stone.
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Feb 21, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
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In some ways, The Valley is the weirdest place ever.
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Strider
Trad climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 10:30pm PT
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Given that I live 7 miles from the entrance and my job is dependent on tourism to Yosemite, I am curious about this.
Werner, Ekat and anyone else who was there in 1996, would you mind telling me a little more about what it was like?
 Could people living and working in Yose go in and out at will or was there a complete lock down on traffic?
What about Delivery services? Sysco, USFoods, UPS, Fed-Ex, liquor delivery, propane, garbage, emergency services, etc.... Some of our vendors travel to us through the park on delivery loops and a lockdown inside the park would probably screw up our services outside the park as well.
What about Forest Service stuff? Was Cherry Lake closed? What about campgrounds, trailhead parking areas, etc...? Since we are outside the park, our guests can still stay with us and if we want to keep them from leaving then I need to be able to tell them where else they can recreate and have a good time.
Thanks for any insight. I believe this has a slim chance of actually happening but proper prior planning prevents piss-poor performance.
-n
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Feb 21, 2011 - 10:47pm PT
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If we do have a shut down and we do end up rallying in the Valley - will the bathrooms be open and can we still get a latte in between riots or should I bring my own French Press??
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 22, 2011 - 12:39am PT
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In the closure of 95/96, if you lived in the park, then you could get into the park and out of the park at will. I don't recall anyone even covering the gate, but I could be wrong about that. A closed sign is what I remember. You could also have friends visit. Most regular deliveries also occurred. Food, mail, gas.. ect.
The company fed us the bracebridge dinner that is normally in the Awahnee, in the cafeteria at Curry. They said the park wouldn't let us use the Awahnee. Kind of strange but it was fun to have the dinner with all the entertainers. Who is the chick who wears the fur with something written in red paint on it? Something about not killing animals for fur. She was there.
In 1990, during the fires, I went backpacking for 12 days. It was glorious. I met one backcountry ranger and he started to kick me out, but then changed his mind and decided to be cool. I wish I could remember his name. I think he was seasonal.
It is amazing to be in the park with nobody here.
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Feb 22, 2011 - 12:51am PT
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Yes, the National Parks were shut down before: I was guiding a group on Maui and on Hawaii Island, and we couldn't visit Haleakala or Volcanoes National Parks; it was a BIG BUMMER for folks who'd come so far...
I was a volunteer for the National Biological Survey living in Volcanoes National Park at the time of the shut-down. We were paid $300/month living expenses (food) and had housing provided in the ranger housing units in the park, and use of the 4x4 ranger trucks.
During the shut-down, we were not allowed to use the vehicles (no insurance coverage), so we were stranded. I think we stayed in the park during the time, but couldn't go shopping for groceries unless someone from outside the park came to drive us.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 22, 2011 - 12:54am PT
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I was in Red Rocks during the last gov't shut down. We were camping at the old Oak Creek campground and it was managed by this retired couple. I thought for sure we would get the boot, since that was the standing order from the gov't.
But the couple said "F the gov't, everyone can stay." And not only that, they said we didn't have to pay the fee.
Loop road was shut, but no big deal. We hiked out to Oak Creek Canyon from the campground and had a great time climbing.
Those old folks were patriots, to say the least!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 22, 2011 - 12:55am PT
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hey there say, werner.... ohmy...
as to this:
No that applies to everyone including me.
This happened before when they closed the park. We could not do anything.
We just went to the mall in Fresno instead and stared at junk .....
how sad.... :(
say, to nutjob... wow, thanks for sharing, as well...
never knew that, either...
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:06am PT
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Closure put non-essential government workers on furlough and suspended non-essential services.
November 14 through November 19, 1995
and
December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:18am PT
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In the last closure all regular deliveries were allowed in.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:54am PT
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In the last closure all regular deliveries were allowed in.
Perfect. I'll simply mail myself to the Valley in a big box. UPS ground from San Jose should get there next day.
What can Brown do for you?
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426
climber
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Feb 22, 2011 - 08:28am PT
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Werner, Ekat and anyone else who was there in 1996, would you mind telling me a little more about what it was like?
My friend was out there back then, said it was pretty awesome, as in "frickkin quiet" I think was the phrase he used...
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Feb 23, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
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Hmmm, a skeletal crew with Fattrad, seems oxymoronic.
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Byran
climber
Merced, CA
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Feb 23, 2011 - 01:58pm PT
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I was under the impression that between the big contract with the concessionaire and all the camping and entrance fees they collect every day, that the NPS makes big bucks in Yosemite. Am I wrong? If they're going to shut down all the parks because of a budget crisis, why not leave the ones open that are actually making the government money.
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Feb 23, 2011 - 02:24pm PT
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Byran--
I think this is how it works.
The money Yos collects from entrance fees doesn't go directly to the park. It goes to the fed. gov't and is then reallocated to parks only for pre-approved projects (e.g.: maintenance of facilities, bulletin boards, etc.). The federal budget covers interpretative programs, salaries, and maintenance and there are also separate funds for specific projects (like maintenance of a helicopter for SAR, for e.g.). Some road maintenance also falls under federal highway funds. There are also ways the park can charge fees for certain programs as "cost-recovery programs" (e.g.: permits) and that money does go directly to the park, but is not income, because it is only meant to cover the cost of specific existing programs.
As far as concessions contracts, I'm not sure if that's a contract b/w the NPS (federal level) or if that money goes directly to Yos. Understanding that most other income is reallocated by the federal gov't once the annual budget is passed, I can imagine concession income is the same (i.e.: it doesn't go directly to the park).
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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That's what you get for letting The Government sieze up all that land.
If the parks were privately owned and operated they would remain open, because closed parks make no money.
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M. Volland
Trad climber
Grand Canyon
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From what I've been hearing recently. In the event of a government shutdown, the BLM has worked out a way to only close small parks. Larger parks, ie. Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, ect. will remain open.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Yeah Chaz, and you could ride motorcycles up the four mile trail! Fuk the man!
and fuk the republicans, in this particular case! stupid passive agressive pissing contest....
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Chaz: Do you honestly believe there would even be anything other than a 5 star hotel and/or a private ranch with no trespassing signs everywhere if the republicans had their way? Privatization leads to Private Property / No Trespassing signs, PERIOD.
Republicans are amazingly delusional people. It's like a disease where you can't help but to vote for a vague idea that is nothing close to reality and the whole time what you vote for are policies that work DIRECTLY against you and then benefit of society as a whole. What kind of, "I live in a fantasy land" mentality must it take to be republican these days????
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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If the parks were privately owned and operated they would remain open, because closed parks make no money.
Come on Chaz. Why do you think the access fund exists? Because we lose access all the time. Not just on public land, but on private land. Your hatred of government is unbalanced.
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