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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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If they shut down Yosemite and you sneak in and get caught climbing you'll get arrested.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:37pm PT
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It might be worth it Werner...I have a card from Lober and he said(with a grin) to call "if I needed anything" from him. But then again maybe I should save the card for something more important! Can't I just use your name?
Peace
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:45pm PT
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Werner - You only get arrested if your caught climbing? That doesn't seem fair...
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:49pm PT
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No that applies to everyone including me.
This happened before when they closed the park. We could not do anything.
We just went to the mall in Fresno instead and stared at junk .....
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 05:50pm PT
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Public Land, right? Time for some Egypt style protests if they pull this crap on us.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:51pm PT
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Maybe Republicans will get their wish. Shut down all Government functions. For Yosemite, just put a lock on the gate, and save money. If you can't afford to buy Yosemite, why should you be allowed to use it??
This just in from Dr F (BTW, an F is much worse than a D or a C). All of the valley floor wildlife will be voting republican next election. That is, as long as the democrats can expand the voting rolls to allow fish, deer, etc etc the vote.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:52pm PT
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It was Acorn that bused in the deer and fish and paid them off to vote for the Dems.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 05:53pm PT
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It's federal land.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 05:57pm PT
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Federal = of the people, by the people? Do we not fund the federal gov? Do we not vote them in? Were the National parks not set aside for the enjoyment of all?
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:04pm PT
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Ha Ha Werner, that link also indicates law enforcement to be shut down. So o who will do the arresting.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:09pm PT
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So who will do the arresting?
I heard Fattrad will be volunteering .....
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M. Volland
Trad climber
Grand Canyon
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
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Parkline Slab and the USGS Wall are expecting record crowds for the shutdown! Best to sleep at the base and be the first in line.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:30pm PT
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Ha Ha Werner, that link also indicates law enforcement to be shut down. So o who will do the arresting
HAHA Good call.
Did the parks get shut down during the Clinton Gov closure????
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BooDawg
Social climber
Polynesian Paradise
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:33pm PT
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Seems like the republicants should take a lesson from the last time they shutdown the government: People flocked to the Dems in record numbers and the republicants wore egg on their faces for at least a few weeks until the collective memory faded...
Still, it'd be a bummer!
Yes, the National Parks were shut down before: I was guiding a group on Maui and on Hawaii Island, and we couldn't visit Haleakala or Volcanoes National Parks; it was a BIG BUMMER for folks who'd come so far...
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:44pm PT
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just imagine what's gonna happen when bear #46 wakes up and hears about this.
maybe he will hitch a ride with werner to fresno- to look at stuff!!!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 06:52pm PT
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LEO's will continue to work
Yes, a skeletal crew ....
Just see Fattrad knows and MTucker just gave himself away .....
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Northern California
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Feb 21, 2011 - 07:47pm PT
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A friend of mine was on Skull Queen during the shutdown in 1996. He had no idea the shutdown was gonna happen. When they got down to the ground ~everyone~ was gone. They didn't know if there had been a war started, a big disaster or what. They found someone eventually who explained what was going on and they just left.
In theory, if you were high enough off the ground before the shutdown...
(Some other folks I know who went to J-Tree that spring break were met by a ranger holding a shotgun who explained that they had better turn the f*** around... So whoever that ranger was, he'll arrest you if you try a day trip to the Cookie.)
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CF
climber
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Feb 21, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
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During the last shut all us DNC employees were out of work. There were still lots of "essential" nps employees on and it seemed like the park could easily have stayed open.
Now the BIG RUB was that all the NPs workers who did not work during the shutdown got back pay!
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 21, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Rumor has it when the 2012 election, Republican Party plans to create a military coup and riots will be forthcoming from their botched rigged election results. The New Political Correct FEMA will plan to use the valley for re-education and as a non-location camp for the trouble makers or resistance parties in question. Unions, Teachers, pot-smokers, married-unmarried gays, the usual suspects.
The Mountain Warfare Training Center near Bridgeport is and has been starting to stockpile portable shelters, food, water to hold them in case situation develops, The two main roads to the west: starting at the Wawona tunnel at Inspiration Point and the intersection at 140/120 will be heavily guarded and armed with MARPs [mine-resistant, ambush-protected] vehicles to keep people from escaping and plan to shoot on site anyone getting out of the valley. Depending how much rain or water is in the Merced, if it is high and running fast they will let anyone swimming go, but if river is low will shoot.
Any available climbers living in the valley will be sworn in as temporary officers are to be armed as well but with blanks and stationed on strategic trails for people trying to escape to the high country: The Mist up to Columbia Point, Glacier, Vernal, Nevada, Mirror, original Big Oak Flat road and any additional trails, LEO officers will be stationed at each trail as well so bribes are not offered to Gov.climbers for resistance offenders to pass. Drug cartels especially.
Military Snipers with night scopes will be stationed throughout the valley as well. Dogs will be deployed. Communications will be cut off. Anyone caught or with the following: laptops, cellphones will have them confiscated. Smuggling of these from sources outside the zone will be considered as treason and punishable to the law of the day, no lawyers, anyone caught with one will be put in small hot box and will be subjected 24/7 with bright lights constantly on and listening/watching to old Lawrence Welk music.
Beerboarding will be common for those that disagree.
Bell-Boing V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft will be used to bring in the masses, landing zone will be the meadow in front of El Cap. A single MQ-1 Predator will be deployed so any suspicious action before will be used to analyze a situation within a couple of minutes and action dealt with.
A group of five people talking together will be broken up with warnings to disperse with live ammo fired in their direction towards the dirt but not to hit them. If a ricochet from said bullet hits and kills or injures someone inline of projectile, officer or soldier will not be held accountable and will considered as an accident and will not be sued.
Listening devices will be deployed in each shelter, in the trees and along the trails to hear of any action to create any resistance.
Rations of one beer a day, one cigarette, 5 sheets of toilet paper will be rationed on a daily basis as well as WWII government rations. If you lucky maybe the newer MRI.
The Ahwahnee Hotel will be New–Military Rightwing headquarters, Fatty can finally bring in his buddy Cheney [if he is still alive by 2012] rumor is that when he does go they plan to keep his brain intact and alive with special equipment so he can run the operation.
So I say no the Valley will not be closed.
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