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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:18pm PT
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I actually like rappelling.
Having someone lower me is not my fave.
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:22pm PT
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That's it. If we were using different sized ropes I would always triple up the knot on the smaller rope.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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People who are nervous about rapping, make me nervous.
If they can't trust themselves to safely hold and lower their own body when their own life is at stake, I have difficulty trusting them to belay and/or lower mine, when my life is at stake.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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I'm with Marty, always use a double fishermans. Never had an issue with it even in Red Rocks. You just gotta pay attention,,,,, and get a little lucky.
What do you use AC?
Prod.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
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I don't hate rappeling just hate all of the problems that can come with it.
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:40pm PT
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I just have this empirical evidence, I climbed pretty hard for around 25 years and lived to tell about it. I alway employed a very simple rule re safety and that was to do the same thing every time, then check it over and over. Thats why as silly as it sounds I always and never wavered, tied in with a bowline. The snake comes out of the hole, goes around the tree and goes back in the hole...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 15, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
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Seems like you have a problem there...
Why would there be any problem? There is no shortage of people who can competently belay and rappel.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 15, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
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There is no shortage of people who can competently belay and rappel.
Sure, but obviously gf isn't one of them. I think you should offer to teach him. I mean it's easy to sit back in front of your computer and be mean to noobs, but I've heard that gf, even though he doesn't have much climbing experience, is an okay guy, and I'm sure he'd really appreciate a few lessons from you.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 15, 2011 - 11:29pm PT
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but I've heard that gf, even though he doesn't have much climbing experience, is an okay guy, and I'm sure he'd really appreciate a few lessons from you.
You haven't been keeping up. gf has tons of experience. He's been rapping of the ends of his ropes for years, starting from before I was even born maybe. I heard he's starting a class on rapping.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Feb 15, 2011 - 11:43pm PT
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You haven't been keeping up. gf has tons of experience. He's been rapping of the ends of his ropes for years, starting from before I was even born maybe.
Where'd you get that idea. "gf" is no more a middle-aged climber with an all-over-the-globe resume of first ascents than I am the Emporer of the Kingdom of Heaven. "gf" is just like "jstan". An internet avatar used by a group of Japanese schoolgirls for a project in their English class.
Here's the real "gf"
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Captain...or Skully
climber
The Seas of Stone.
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Feb 15, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
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Wow, looks like she don't like rappin' either.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Feb 15, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
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Why would anyone "think so much of rapping." It doesn't take much (I won't say any) skill, and, if you know what you are doing, isn't at all thrilling. But it shouldn't be terrifying either. Unless you are a noob. Or a TOTAL F*#KING IDIOT who can't help making obvious mistakes and raps of the end of the rope REPEATEDLY. Anyone would think that you would have learned something from the first one, but no, in your case they would be wrong! WTF, indeed! What The F*#k? (All with due respect of course.) In that case, it's better to avoid climbing altogether.
hahahah!
nice drive-by.
rc represent!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 16, 2011 - 12:15am PT
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. Walk (or rap) a few miles in these pumps baby and then we'll talk
Most climbers can go their entire life without rapping off the end of their rope once. You've managed this TWICE and on the SAME rap and in good conditions with not exigent circumstances without any starlight or storm.
And most astoundingly you appear to have managed to learn NOTHING worthwhile along the way. It's usual to have screw-ups along the way, but what's not usual is making the same screw-up repeatedly and in the same place.
You can't argue with that experience. You can't teach that experience. You should (at all costs) AVOID that experience.
Those pumps of yours, baby, aren't pumps I'd care to rap in. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 16, 2011 - 12:43am PT
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granite - when you're in a hole. Stop digging.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 16, 2011 - 01:01am PT
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Hole, the only hole I see on this thread is the one with Jim Brennan's foot sticking out of it... Or the crater at the base of gf's climbs. Any pictures of that?
But this thread is going downslope fast. Maybe someone else can weigh in that has experience in NOT repeatedly falling of his rope?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 16, 2011 - 01:57am PT
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You have admit that the match on the glasses was uncanny.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Feb 16, 2011 - 02:21am PT
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rappelling can be enjoyable
it's all about awareness and risk management
it's safe and fun if you manage the risk properly
be willing to spend gear to make safe anchors
skimpy anchors are an incredibly foolish economy
you can worry about replacing gear once you get down safely
not paying attention is even worse
you can relax your attention once you are sitting down at home
check all the rigging so that you can trust it
then pay attention to everything so you can trust yourself and enjoy it
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2011 - 02:48am PT
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i think grapevine as a name came from boyscouts. It was in their handbook.
used to be my standard after having an 8 snag too many times
then I went to EDK
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Hummerchine
Trad climber
East Wenatchee, WA
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Feb 16, 2011 - 02:59am PT
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Just stumbled across this thread...
I LOVE RAPPELLING!!!
I am surprised to see how many of you don't!
I pretty much love all aspects of the sport...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 16, 2011 - 03:56am PT
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RURPS, I'm GoiNG to dIE!!!!
Seriously, maybe I'm too harsh, but if I rap off my rope, I will be the first to admit that I am a f*#king idiot. And if I do it twice, and survive, I will have that tatooed on my forehead. I didn't know who gf was when he responded to my post here and not sure why he responded the way he did. While I do not have first ascents of big mountains with celebrity climbers and climbing mag cover shots to my credit, I am able to, so far, safely make routine raps.
Most rap accidents are not because the rapping was dangerous, but because the rapper was rapping dangerously. I've noticed that the more experienced the climber, the more they feel it to be their duty to not pay attention. Maybe it's just my perception but rapping may be the only aspect of climbing in which danger increases in proportion to experience, with the exception of brand-new noobs. The incidents and near-incidents that I've seen are usually noobs with no experience, or very experienced climbers--there is very little middle ground.
Of course, once you rap of the end of that rope, gravity won't care how many first ascents you've put up or how many climbing mag cover shots you have, it'll treat you the same as any free-falling object...
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