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Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
The Cerro Torre controversy has drawn the estimable Gregory Crouch to the ST campfire.

A hearty SuperTaco welcome to you Greg!

Author of the outstanding Enduring Patagonia, Greg is a climber's climber and original school, all the way.

I hope that you will share some tales and images from your many adventures and give us a taste of the fun!

Welcome!
Disaster Master

Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
Jan 22, 2011 - 12:41pm PT
Welcome to the ST. Post away. We won't bite. (Most of us, at least.)
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 22, 2011 - 07:03pm PT

Another one we'd love to hear some stories from!

Welcome, Greg!!!!
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 22, 2011 - 07:55pm PT
Welcome to the "campfire"Greg!
TY
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
Welcome Greg! Lots of good here at the taco. Glad you just made it good-er. :)
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 22, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
Yes indeed, Welcome to the campfire.

Now do us a favor and throw a log on the fire, 'em kay?
nutjob

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Jan 22, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
Welcome! But this thread would be much better with pictures.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Jan 23, 2011 - 10:59am PT
Greg, Welcome to the climbing world's version of reality TV. This place is like the love child of "Oprah" and "The Gerry Springer Show". Actually I've never watched either of those shows so I'm not sure that is the right analogy. Maybe "from the sublime to the ridiculous" describes it.
Whatever, it's addicting and fun...
Phyl
billygoat

climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
Jan 23, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
"Enduring Patagonia" should be mandatory reading for all climbers. Welcome!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 23, 2011 - 02:22pm PT
I'm not much on most climbing books but I got this for Xmas some years ago
and I was very pleasantly surprised - very well written y muy sympatico!
billygoat

climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
Jan 23, 2011 - 03:24pm PT
The image of attaching a rappel device to a rope in high winds with a climber already hanging off is forever etched in my minds eye. Some wind!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
Here's a taste of Greg and Jim From Climbing August 1997.


This could be my favorite shot of Jim!











Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2011 - 03:03pm PT
Now that Jim's back around...let the tales begin!
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 25, 2011 - 11:50pm PT
Greg: Loved that 1997 Donini story you wrote that Steve just posted.

More please!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 25, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
Howdy neighbor!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 25, 2011 - 11:57pm PT
Sweet. Welcome Greg!!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 26, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
Crouch and Bump!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 26, 2011 - 12:28pm PT
Bring on the climbing stories and PICTURES, please Greg...pretty please?

Damn you, do I have to beg?
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Jan 26, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
Heard that Dude Crouch was a rap bolter?

What the...

;-)
Captain...or Skully

climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
Jan 26, 2011 - 12:35pm PT
Haha! Howdy x 10.
So there.
Rockin' Gal

Trad climber
Boulder
Jan 26, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
Greg! Hope the latest book is going well. Remember, "show, don't tell the reader."
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Jan 26, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
greg, welcome to the taco, ready to walk the walk? because i know you are always talking the talk. ss
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
I think I'm the lamest poster (poser) in the history of this forum... took until this morning to find these greetings and requests... here's one...

Donini on Cerro Torre in January, 1996. A promising beginning to an im...
Donini on Cerro Torre in January, 1996. A promising beginning to an immense epic.
Credit: Gregory Crouch
eKat

Trad climber
BITD3
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
CRACK ME UP!

Better late than never, eh?

TFPU!

eKat
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
Sprag about that new book, Greg!

Sounds great.

http://gregcrouch.com/category/chinas-wings
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
Only took me a year to notice this thread...

Another pic?
The late Charlie Fowler on our way up the Compressor Route. RIP. Inter...
The late Charlie Fowler on our way up the Compressor Route. RIP. Interestingly enough, it was a tip from Charlie that set me on the trail of the book project I've just finished... wish he were around to enjoy the final fruits of his lead...
Credit: Gregory Crouch
bergbryce

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
Greg!
Welcome. We'd all be stoked for you to post some stories and pics.

Bryce (Krista's Bryce)

Don't be shy to talk about the new book too, China's Wings
http://www.amazon.com/Chinas-Wings-Intrigue-Romance-Adventure/dp/0553804278/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326734465&sr=1-1
micronut

Trad climber
Jan 16, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
Greg,
Enduring Patagonia inspires me to keep writing about my futile struggles in the low end alpine arena. When I get writer's block I often dust off the cover and dig in for for a dose of literary inspiration. Thanks for sharing your adventures with all of us hacks and scardeycats who may never get to gaze upon the patagonian icecap but have been there with you a time or two.

Welcome to the Supertango, land of hardmen, wierdos, heroes, never weres, deadbeats, misfits, hasbeens and may someday bes. Most of us are somewhere in between. Enjoy the show. Glad to have you on board.

Here's a taste of the kind of low budge writing you inpire:
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/The-Gift-New-Years-Eve-and-A-Long-Day-on-Half-Dome/t11321n.html

http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Above-Average-Trip-Report-The-Meadows-and-Beyond/t361n.html

See you around the Taco,
Scott
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
Well, I will cop to being excited out of my mind for China's Wings upcoming release...

Here's a little blurb that explains how an off the cuff remark of Charlie's helped launch the entire project http://gregcrouch.com/2010/fall-in-love-with-it

Plus, it's absolutely fabulous to learn that EP still has legs, and is still reaching people. For years I thought that book was a failure, as all I heard was silence, overwhelming silence, but once I joined facebook, all kinds of people have connected with me to share how much they've enjoyed it and been inspired by it... which actually ended up pulling me through when morale was pretty low...

Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Micronut, that's a pretty unique adventure, a winter Snake Dike. My friends Tom Lambert and Theresa Ho did that recently, too... a definite coup.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
And Fattrad, I've been here for a decade. If you drew a line between Lunardi's and Larkey Park, I'd be sitting pretty close to the exact midpoint of that line right now.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
Greg- it's been too long. We should meet up soon. Congrats on the book release, I can't wait to see it- remember celebrating the advance at Edinburgh Castle, uh, about 7 years ago??

Tim D.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Hey Greg- Glad this thread finally hooked ya.

Post away because this thread is all you baby! Epics to book promo...
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
Holy beJesus, TIM D? Theo and I were just talking about you the other day...


That was a great party, but it'll be eight years in May.

Hope you and yours are doing well... there's a rumor you're leaving CA... confirm or deny...
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
This one's familiar, of Charlie climbing through the Ice Towers on Cer...
This one's familiar, of Charlie climbing through the Ice Towers on Cerro Torre with Fitzroy in the background...
Credit: Gregory Crouch

And here's another... Charlie a little higher in the Ice Towers...
And here's another... Charlie a little higher in the Ice Towers...
Credit: Gregory Crouch
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
Denied for now, though things have been highly unsettled I'll e-mail you.

Here's a picture to atone for my thread drift:

Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
Charlie low on the route... a few pitches above the Col of Patience
Charlie low on the route... a few pitches above the Col of Patience
Credit: Gregory Crouch

Charlie in the full glory of the alpenglow at sunrise after our summit...
Charlie in the full glory of the alpenglow at sunrise after our summit bivy... or our almost summit bivy... by far the most astonishing scene of natural beauty I've ever seen.
Credit: Gregory Crouch
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
No apology needed, Tim D. Psyched to hear from you. I don't even have a functioning email for you any more, so definitely check in. Theo and I would love to see you... been getting some screaming good surf lately.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:50pm PT

Belated greetings Greg! Wonderful shots of Charlie,
an old friend on Cerro Torre.
Share more of your adventures with us, please!!!!
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
Well, I've always said that taking pictures of Patagonia is a lot like taking pictures of Cindy Crawford: even when she looks bad, she looks pretty good.
fsck

climber
Jan 16, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
hey greg, i'm kinda bummed to hear how you felt EP had failed. i know many people who loved the book, myself included. i loved all the gnarly alpine tales but my favorite by far was the "ball washer" story. so many mountain books focus strictly on alpine tales of bravery but it was so cool to get a hilarious insight to "normal" life back home.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Thanks, FSCK... I can always get a laugh with that ballwasher tale. It's more reliable than the Supermouse. Kinda hard to pass yourself off as a tough guy when your day job is " ball washer."

I'm happy to report three things about that job: first, that Phil, the evil mastermind of the "FunWash," is still a good friend, and second, that I'll never have to install another one of those things, nor third, spend another minute in a MacDonalds.
roy

Social climber
NZ -> SB,CA -> Zurich
Jan 16, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
Hey Greg,

Welcome! There are a few SB (and ex-SB) lurkers here.

Cheers, Roy
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Jan 16, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
Greg gave a spectacular slideshow presentation for the RIM club this month. great photos and a superb narrative of his winter ascent of the west ridge of Cerro Torre.



Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Goleta, California
Jan 16, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
That was a superfine crowd, Splitclimber... I hadn't given that show in ages, and I really enjoyed it.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Jan 17, 2012 - 09:36am PT
One of Patagonia's many other attractions...
One of Patagonia's many other attractions...
Credit: Gregory Crouch
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Jan 17, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Awesome photos, Greg. Now got any more really good surf ones? Maybe of the best day at OB ever? Like the ones seen here
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Jan 17, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
Chris! JR Hussy, the guy who took the first two, is one of the guys I surf with pretty regularly. Very nice guy and a damn fine surfer.

Did you get any of the action on Saturday? I was keeping an eye out for you and your broom. ;-)
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Jan 18, 2012 - 01:06am PT
Does JR own http://norcalsurfphotos.com/ ? If so, he took the only photos anyone has ever taken up me surfing, i actually put it on my facebook page. He takes great photos. Would be psyched to meet him

ok, sorry for all the surf talk.. back to rad photos of Patagonia!
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jan 18, 2012 - 01:30am PT
Those are some unbelievable photos! Thanks Mike
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Jan 18, 2012 - 10:06am PT
No Chris, that guy is Bruce Topp. Super nice guy, I've talked to him a few times on the bluff at Sloat. Told him that I'd buy his shots if he ever got any good ones of me -- which he did this winter, and I kept my promise. The pics are posted here: http://gregcrouch.com/2011/ocean-beach-surf-pic

They only cost $7 each, so you should pony up for his frames. Then you can post 'em guilt free. :-)
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Jan 18, 2012 - 10:10am PT
And here's another Patagonian pic to get us back on track. I'm super-excited about what Hayden Kennedy and Jason Kruk pulled on Cerro Torre this week.

Stephan Siegrist on the Helmet on Cerro Torre's West Face, July 1999.
Stephan Siegrist on the Helmet on Cerro Torre's West Face, July 1999.
Credit: Gregory Crouch
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
Am I allowed to update this? Hope so.

I'm feeling the climbing love this week... been getting good help and advice from Rolo on one hand, and Donini on the other, have had Charlie Fowler and Jim on my mind due to the photo blasts I posted on my website (and linked to from here) this week.

To that end, I've just posted these shots of J Jay Brooks in Patagonia, taken from one of the two or three rolls of black & white film I've ever shot.

Hope you enjoy 'em. (I guess it comes with a little essay, too.)

BTW, I've got an Enduring Patagonia Pinterest board if you're into that sort of thing. Feel free to repin 'em and share 'em around. I'll be adding to it as I get around to digitizing more of the old photo collection.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 5, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Welcome to the Taco, Greg.

I liked the double meaning of your book's title.

I have some dim memories of never wanting to go there.

Thank you for reminding me I've always been happy enough in California.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:42am PT
Thanks, Mouse. Glad to be of some service. :-)
Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Feb 6, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Greg Crouch, Goleta CA, must be related to my old econ prof from the U there? He was a tough-minded fellow as I recall...
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 6, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Inner City: Hilarious.

That's my dad.

Any day you want to have a chat with him (or get a bet down), he can be found nursing a vodka martini in the Elephant Bar between 3:30 and 5:45 p.m.

Or at the Old Town Tavern around noon.

Or at the Breaktime between 6:00 and 7:00

You can take the man out of England, but you can't take England out of the man.

Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
I knew it had to be your Dad, Greg.

He was an interesting professor back in the days of pre-history when I was there. He'd not suffer fools well as I recall. Calling people out in class for reading the newspaper in the back of a giant lecture hall. He'd certainly be confiscating some I-phones were he still at it, I suspect.

I think I recall seeing him at the elephant bar many many years ago. That has been a long-running tradition. I'll take the Ravens plus the points!

Also must say that your book Enduring Patagonia was very enjoyable.

Best,

David Reid
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 7, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Thanks, David. Generally a good idea to take the points, and to pick only one game, the one you think has the best price... watching Dad's "players" through the years has been a abject lesson in the stupidity of man. They're financing my son's college fund, however, so I'm the last person who'll complain.
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
Feb 7, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Hi Greg! Pam (Roberts) here! I'm a bit of a stalker on ST, but it's been very good to me since Jack died, so I stay loyal. Hope you are well!!!
Welcome to this odd collection of people! :-)
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:08am PT
enjoyed the book so much I bought it twice (I couldn't find the first one, so I just bought another)

Patagonia virgin here, heading down to Chalten in November with a rope and a rack, no partners, hoping for the best.

also, I think GC wrote about Kichatna Spire a few years ago -- liked that a lot too. So much to climb (or not) in the world ... still
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 8, 2013 - 12:11am PT
Greg, just back from the Creek. See you in the Bay Area, we should hatch some plans....just like the old days!
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 8, 2013 - 02:55am PT
Jim, I need a new fracking hip! How is it that I'm the one of the two of us with the 70-year old hip?

Hope you had a good time out in the Creek.

55401: So glad to hear you've enjoyed EP. Good luck down there in the coming season.

And PAM! What a thrill. And so sorry about Jack's accident. Such a loss. But so glad I got to climb with him back in the day. We had a couple of great climbs, best of all from my perspective being a trip up The Fang, which was a really big deal to me at the time, just as I was getting a handle on what I might be able to get done. Jack was always very generous to me with his knowledge, which I much appreciated. Hope you're doing okay. That's the aspect of climbing I truly despise. Truly despise.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 10, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Having a strange climbing and Patagonia related experience here in California this morning -- my 12-year old son Ryan is reading Enduring Patagonia

It's pretty great to see how much he's enjoying it, but it also raises a pretty serious question about what it means to be a parent, and a climber.

Of course I love climbing, and as an individual, it defines who I am as much or more than anything else, and I'd be delighted to teach Ryan to climb -- if it's something he genuinely wants for himself.

But I don't think it's right for me to make him into a climber just because I'm one. The sport is just too damn dangerous, as any deep perusal of these threads makes obvious.

We've done a little gym climbing and have taken a few trips up to Yosemite and Tuolumne, which have been great, and great experiences for Ryan, but I haven't pushed it too hard. We only go when Ryan asks to go, which he hasn't done very often -- just a time or two a year.

If Ryan wants to be a climber, I feel like it should be his decision as much as possible, one that he makes when he's a little older than he is now, when he's grown into more of his own person. This is one passion I really don't feel comfortable pointing him too strongly toward without him wanting it for himself. I have a pretty strong intuition that I shouldn't force feed it to him.

Of course, when the time comes, if he wants to learn, I'm going to be delighted to teach him. And I'm going to want to do it.

I'd also be very interested in hearing from other parents how they've dealt with this issue. To me, it feels like a big one.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Feb 10, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
I'm w/you on this one, Greg. Climbing is my thing, not my kids. They are still sort of little (6,6, and 8), and I take them climbing every few months or so. They go out scrambling and running around in the wilderness all the time, but roped climbing not too often;....usually only when they ask or we are going w/other families who want to take their kids climbing. My kids love computer games, soccer, tennis, basketball, mountain biking, baseball, swimming;...that is their thing. I support those activities more than I support climbing. Climbing is my thing, not theirs. Climbing is a dirty and dangerous sport. I would rather see them surfing and snowboarding too......less likely to get snuffed and they can meet those cute rad surf/snowboard girls;...........(we got to hang out with the dirty camp four girls;....with their bad habits and foul mouths......worked for me, but probably not for them....).....
My son Von, who is handicapped and has CP, was scrambling and bouldering a few days ago in Indian Cove in Joshua Tree Nat. Park......he said, " Dad, will you teach me how to rock climb better. I want to be a good rock climber."....and I said, "Sure, Von....we can do that."......so there you go........

Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 10, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Killer pic, Todd! And very nice to get your thoughts on this, too.

Hope you have fun with Von on the steeps!

Cheers, Greg

GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Feb 10, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Crouch...


Pffft!!!.....





Friggin poser
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 10, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Greg...your post is a topic a lot of people here wrestle with. It will get lost attached to this thread, you should consider starting a specific thread for it
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Feb 10, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
Don't know if I've got the guts to start a thread, Jim... don't you have to be a senior and respected member of the supertopo community to be entrusted with such responsibility?

Not sure I'm qualified to do it.

I'll try and summon the courage to make it happen. ;-)
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