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Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
oh, I forgot that you didn't know
I was a Big God Lover, Meditated, veggie, spiritual guru, yoga, seeker
but well read

I went further, kept going, and ended up on the other side
an atheist
I know what you think is God,
I say that is not God

a difference of opinion, that's all
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:00am PT
9) God reportedly performed miracles 2000 years ago.

God no longer performs miracles. Either God is gone or the reports are false.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:03am PT
I know what you think is God,

Well Dr F. like you are fond of saying. Can you prove this statement? I bet that you can't.

So what pissed you off so much?
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:04am PT
I Love God just as much now, as then

The problem was: I found him to be non-existent

I am a Spiritual atheist now, its like spiritual god lover, but without the God part

I am pissed at no one
when God appears to you, let me know, maybe he can hang out with me too
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:08am PT
The problem was: I found him to be non-existent

Sounds like you got pissed when he didn't do what you wanted, so you decided he didn't exist. That is a problem created by the false ego. The false ego thinks God should do everything it wants God to do, which in effect makes the ego God.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:11am PT
9) God reportedly performed miracles 2000 years ago.


I have not witnessed a single miracle in my 52 years, nor have heard of a documented miracle analyzed and claimed valid by modern science
Not one
Miracles performed by God is a false belief,
it does not happen
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:12am PT
Miracles on command. So you think God should be your puppet? And since you haven't witnessed a miracle, then you believe that they don't exist. Sounds egocentric to me.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:14am PT
10) What has God done?, to say that if you expect him to do something, and he doesn't do it...

That makes me so pissed at him, then God gets mad, and says "dude, I am so pissed at you DR. F, you wanted me to give some sign, some evidence, some crumb to follow,, Well, Now you have really pissed me off, and I will make you pay, by not doing anything, that will teach you"
In jest of course

Credit: Dr. F.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:17am PT
looks like he did a bang up job on that cactus


otherwise.....NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:23am PT
That Cactus is product of 2.5 billion years of evolutionary beauty
like us all
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:24am PT
There are a lot of reasons why God doesn't answer to us or give us the answers we think that he should. One is that God is not a puppet. Another is that often we can't see why the answer is not good for us, or for the person needing to learn a lesson.

If a person suffers from gluttony and overeats all the time, ruining their health, then prays to God to heal them and God does, then how can that person learn that gluttony is harmful? Getting a free pass every time we screw up just teaches us that its okay to continue to screw up because God will be there to rescue us. That would make God our puppet.


jstan

climber
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:25am PT
All this discussion involves small agumentative points and not the basic question. Why do people believe there is a god at all? We obviously do it because it gives us something we want. Indeed this is what almost every devout person says - straight out.

Somewhere here I suggested we may even be able to find out when it was we developed this need and perhaps even the portion of our DNA that gives rise to it. It is possible the need arises from DNA, i.e. nature you know. I suspect this, rather than nurture simply because belief among peoples in the East is entirely unlike Abrahamic belief. That says it arose during one of the exodus's when homo sapiens left Africa. If it is a general trait in those populations having it that would increase the likelihood it developed as that population was threading the eye of a needle. Like the cheetah did when it very nearly went extinct i the far distant past. It has been calculated at one time only a few individual cheetah were in existence. The living cheetah have almost identical DNA.

A large amount of testimony has appeared on ST as to the effects of nurture, though it shows up here as a rejection when the individual reached majority or even earlier. A statistical study of behaviors identifiable as true devotion may increase understanding of its propagation. I don't know. All just fascinating possibilities.

You never know. We may even be able, eventually, to free individuals of this trait if it is something they would prefer not to have. Isn't this interesting?
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2011 - 12:27am PT
JM
So you make my point perfectly
God does nothing, and expect nothing, because that is what God is
Nothing
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:31am PT
Who said anything about miracles on command? We are talking about any miracle that can clearly be attributable to god. What do we have? Nothing, nada, zilch.
It doesn't have to be a big whiz-bang miracle; just something clearly extraordinary. Like making a baseball size model of Jupiter out of solid rock. Something that is clearly a product of intelligence.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:34am PT
I have had many prayers answered Dr. F, but this wouldn't prove anything to you.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:37am PT
Yeah, it's not like we expect god to get the LEB off SuperTopo, or something like that.
Purgatory!
If Joan of Arc got burnt at the stake, shouldn't LEB at least get a bad sunburn?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:40am PT
I will preface my remarks here by saying that I do not subscribe to any organized religion nor do I attend any church or other such temple.

Life is a miracle. This is undeniable. I say this because life is essentially good. The Universe would be a poorer place without life.

For some reason, one which I do not understand, part of life is death. Every thing which lives comes to this end. It is only a matter of how and when, not if.

This is the cause for spiritual ideas. Mine too.

locker

Social climber
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:45am PT


"you wanted me to give some sign, some evidence, some crumb to follow,"...


...


At least in SOME peoples OPINION...
jstan

climber
Jan 21, 2011 - 12:49am PT
"For some reason, one which I do not understand, part of life is death"

Surely you know why. Among other unnatural reasons like poor diet and smoking, our DNA's integrity can not withstand endless replication.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 21, 2011 - 01:02am PT
you gotta admit, that is sure some cactus
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