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WBraun

climber
Jan 20, 2011 - 08:00pm PT
That post above is like the loudmouth wanna bee who knows everything.

We see them at times in cafe and around flapping off their mouths.

We avoid them like the plague.

Thus they think we don't exist .....
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:13pm PT
I will take on 8)

8) Does God exist in the gaps, is he hidden from us in another dimension?

He could be, but when he does anything, he would have to expose himself,
anytime he intervened, or had an effect on humans, he would be coming out of the gaps, out of the hidden dimension

But when we look for these possible interventions,
they do not exist!!, never has any intervention been documented by someone considered a modern expert

How can God exist in the Gaps, and then not in the gaps, and stay completely hidden no matter what,


He exists? with zero evidence, 100% zero,
with all the claims of God being everything!!
There is nothing there

It is Impossible, so therefore a false belief
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 20, 2011 - 08:20pm PT
He could be, but when he does anything, he would have to expose himself,

According to you. Pretty funny argument Dr. F. You might be a great climber, but an argument is only as good as its weakest premise. You don't know that he would have to expose himself to do anything, plus you don't know if you would recognize or even see him if he did.
WBraun

climber
Jan 20, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
You can't see someone superior to you unless he reveals himself.

You can't demand and order someone superior to you.

This is all you do.

You can claim otherwise but your actions speak different.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
I wish you could convince me of anything,
I'm not sure what your problems are, other than you hate thinking outside the box
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:30pm PT
Where is God?
I ask a simple question
you cannot answer
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
oh, I forgot that you didn't know
I was a Big God Lover, Meditated, veggie, spiritual guru, yoga, seeker
but well read

I went further, kept going, and ended up on the other side
an atheist
I know what you think is God,
I say that is not God

a difference of opinion, that's all
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:00pm PT
9) God reportedly performed miracles 2000 years ago.

God no longer performs miracles. Either God is gone or the reports are false.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
I know what you think is God,

Well Dr F. like you are fond of saying. Can you prove this statement? I bet that you can't.

So what pissed you off so much?
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
I Love God just as much now, as then

The problem was: I found him to be non-existent

I am a Spiritual atheist now, its like spiritual god lover, but without the God part

I am pissed at no one
when God appears to you, let me know, maybe he can hang out with me too
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:08pm PT
The problem was: I found him to be non-existent

Sounds like you got pissed when he didn't do what you wanted, so you decided he didn't exist. That is a problem created by the false ego. The false ego thinks God should do everything it wants God to do, which in effect makes the ego God.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:11pm PT
9) God reportedly performed miracles 2000 years ago.


I have not witnessed a single miracle in my 52 years, nor have heard of a documented miracle analyzed and claimed valid by modern science
Not one
Miracles performed by God is a false belief,
it does not happen
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
Miracles on command. So you think God should be your puppet? And since you haven't witnessed a miracle, then you believe that they don't exist. Sounds egocentric to me.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
10) What has God done?, to say that if you expect him to do something, and he doesn't do it...

That makes me so pissed at him, then God gets mad, and says "dude, I am so pissed at you DR. F, you wanted me to give some sign, some evidence, some crumb to follow,, Well, Now you have really pissed me off, and I will make you pay, by not doing anything, that will teach you"
In jest of course

Credit: Dr. F.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
looks like he did a bang up job on that cactus


otherwise.....NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:23pm PT
That Cactus is product of 2.5 billion years of evolutionary beauty
like us all
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:24pm PT
There are a lot of reasons why God doesn't answer to us or give us the answers we think that he should. One is that God is not a puppet. Another is that often we can't see why the answer is not good for us, or for the person needing to learn a lesson.

If a person suffers from gluttony and overeats all the time, ruining their health, then prays to God to heal them and God does, then how can that person learn that gluttony is harmful? Getting a free pass every time we screw up just teaches us that its okay to continue to screw up because God will be there to rescue us. That would make God our puppet.


jstan

climber
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
All this discussion involves small agumentative points and not the basic question. Why do people believe there is a god at all? We obviously do it because it gives us something we want. Indeed this is what almost every devout person says - straight out.

Somewhere here I suggested we may even be able to find out when it was we developed this need and perhaps even the portion of our DNA that gives rise to it. It is possible the need arises from DNA, i.e. nature you know. I suspect this, rather than nurture simply because belief among peoples in the East is entirely unlike Abrahamic belief. That says it arose during one of the exodus's when homo sapiens left Africa. If it is a general trait in those populations having it that would increase the likelihood it developed as that population was threading the eye of a needle. Like the cheetah did when it very nearly went extinct i the far distant past. It has been calculated at one time only a few individual cheetah were in existence. The living cheetah have almost identical DNA.

A large amount of testimony has appeared on ST as to the effects of nurture, though it shows up here as a rejection when the individual reached majority or even earlier. A statistical study of behaviors identifiable as true devotion may increase understanding of its propagation. I don't know. All just fascinating possibilities.

You never know. We may even be able, eventually, to free individuals of this trait if it is something they would prefer not to have. Isn't this interesting?
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
JM
So you make my point perfectly
God does nothing, and expect nothing, because that is what God is
Nothing
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 20, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
Who said anything about miracles on command? We are talking about any miracle that can clearly be attributable to god. What do we have? Nothing, nada, zilch.
It doesn't have to be a big whiz-bang miracle; just something clearly extraordinary. Like making a baseball size model of Jupiter out of solid rock. Something that is clearly a product of intelligence.
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