Dr. F.
climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 04:08pm PT
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Thanks WB
you told me
I want to hear their ideas, and if they are wrong, point it out
except to pointing out your veiled and outright hypocritical tactics against anyone who doesn't toe your line.
Should we all go along with our wrong ideas,
even though they are Destroying this WORLD
is that really the best policy, for you, it is
maybe if they knew they were wrong, they would change, and then be right
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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Jan 20, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
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Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Jan 20, 2011 - 04:39pm PT
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Malemute,
If you take some time to look at the context of the Old Testament vs. The new, you would understand the sillyness of that post. Those laws, though kinda silly sounding these days, were the way the Isrealites showed reverence to and obeyed God. When Jesus showed up on the scene, the Old Law was abolished, and the only way to get close to God was to "Trust Him with all ones heart and sould and mind." That's the whole point of the Bible. At one time, obedience to the law was how you got to know God. Its no longer the case. Now you have access through His son. God is unchanging.
So, that's the way Christians look at it if that helps.
Looking back at our early American laws (No Donkeys in Philadelphia on Saturdays, punishable by law) from the 1700s would be kinda funny to a teenager these days, but Democracy is still the best game in town.
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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Jan 20, 2011 - 04:43pm PT
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My point is that any christian that believes that the bible is the literal word of god is a hypocrite.
When Jesus showed up on the scene, the Old Law was abolished So the old testament should be published in a separate book, and called "the ex-word of god"?
Weren't the gospels written & collected between 200 & 400 AD? Why is the old testament in the book at all? As a history lesson? To reinforce the notion that the Christians were the chosen people? Why would god choose one tribe over another?
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:00pm PT
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bestill
Trad climber
s. ca.
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:06pm PT
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So if you are a jew, you had better start thinking of changing to a christian or all hell will break loose, but wait, silly old me, I forgot it won't matter because two thousand twelve is just one year away. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
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Malemute,
The word hypocrate doesn't really work here.
Its not the "Ex-word" as you put it. At the time, its how the people got close to God, that's all. It was His way of communicating with them. He said from the beginning that it would be this way, until He came in the form of His son, Jesus, to change the relationship between man and himself, does that make sense?
Laws change. They can become obsolete without being invalid.
Think of it like this. I'm a parent. When my kids are three years old, its pretty much...Dad is Law.
"Don't touch the stove"
"Wash your hands after you wipe"
"Don't run in the street!"
"NEVER talk to strangers."
---LAW, in love
Now, my daughter is 13.....
I'm still Dad, I still have full authority in love.
But the way we communicate has changed.
"Touch the stove if you want......learn a lesson...be quick if you do touch it."
"Run in the street and have a blast...just watch out for cars."
"Make new friends, greet strangers with kindness and respect....look out for perverts."
No less authority...just a new way to be her Dad.
Your thoughts?
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go-B
climber
Revelation 7:12
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
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I don't want to spoil the story but in the end God wins!
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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Moosie,
good stuff. I have a hard time arguing against your drift, despite my atheistic inclinations.
or maybe i should say my agnostic inclinations. If the existence of god (or heaven) could be proven or not, I fail to see what difference it should make in terms of how we treat each other. As for following rule books, well, i'd say that anything that is written has to be taken with a grain of salt - or a hit of acid!
I'd love to hear what jesus would have to say about religion.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:13pm PT
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f, if life begins at conception, then aborting a pregnancy at any point means terminating a life; terminating a life means killing; murder is the killing of an innocent; an unborn child cannot be guilty of committing any crime so killing an unborn child is tantamount to murder
abortion can be justified ONLY by arguing that life does not begin at conception, but this argument is illogical
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Dr. F.
climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 05:19pm PT
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Sorry Booky
terminating a life before it is born is not murder
it is a decision made, for the best possible outcome for the person that has to care for a child
and if that mother cannot be a good mother, abortion is a good choice for her, and I support her decision
That is the logical conclusion
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fattrad
Mountain climber
GOP Convention
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:21pm PT
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In today's America, life likely does not begin until after high school graduation. The organism is unable to function on it's own without the diploma (In most cases).
The evil one
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Dr. F.
climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 05:23pm PT
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oh, Boy
this one sneaked by me
I don't want to spoil the story but in the end God wins!
Goobes, what does he win?
what do we lose?
we will all die, and .........
why do I do it?
sorry goobs, I was wrong, you are right
we all know you are truly blessed by Jesus, and you are floating on a carpet of love and prosperity
God Luck my friend
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:36pm PT
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Hey Dr F. It is only logical if you believe that it isn't murder, or that you don't create negative karma which you will have to pay back. If you believe either of these things, then it becomes less logical.
Thanks Bruce for the kind words. I think Jesus would say that religion was mans attempt to know and follow God. He wouldn't say that religion represents God. God represents God. The book of revelations has some warnings to churches, saying that most have forgotten their first love. Simply going to church or saying something like "Jesus is my lord" is not sufficient to achieve salvation. One must put on the full wedding garment, which is the Christ mind. Few churches teach this, which is why the bible also says that the way is narrow, and few there are that find it.
Thankfully I do not accept modern Christianities belief that we only have one physical lifetime. We do only have one life, but it is outplayed in many physical lifetimes. Most folks on this planet have been here thousands of times. That time to return here does have an end, which is what the bible means when it talks about seasons, but that end is not in heaven or hell. Hell is a creation of man, not God. Hell is the karma each of us creates on this planet. God will not condemn us to eternal Hell. There is no eternal hell. This is another area that I disagree with the modern Christian church. haha..
There are three basic things that can happen to a soul. One is that if it hasn't put on the full Christ mind and its time isn't up, it is sent back here. Another is that it has put on the full Christ mind and achieves its ascension into heaven. The last is that its time is up, it will not bend the knee is service to Truth, and is sent to what is called the second death which is a dissolution of that souls energy and consciousness.
The one thing to be aware of is that Karma is cumulative. So each lifetime that one does not learn to love, learn to serve, and leave off the ways of carnal man, means that one can end up building up a lot of negative karma. That karma will be outpictured in ones future life in physical form. We do have many lifetimes in which to experiment in, but that isn't unending.
Most here will be back for another lifetime. The nature of that lifetime will depend on how much time you have left, what lessons your soul wants or needs to learn, and what kind of karma one has built up in previous lifetimes.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:40pm PT
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f, if life begins at conception, then aborting a pregnancy at any point means terminating a life; terminating a life means killing; murder is the killing of an innocent; an unborn child cannot be guilty of committing any crime so killing an unborn child is tantamount to murder
abortion can be justified ONLY by arguing that life does not begin at conception, but this argument is illogical
Still waiting for your scientific proof that human life begins at conception. While you're working on that, perhaps you can also show me how the contrary view is "illogical."
And how do you know the "unborn child" (still legally classified as a fetus and therefore not entitled to any civil rights) is "innocent?"
Again, it's a deeply personal choice a woman and usually her male partner may find the need to make and there are myriad reasons why this should remain a choice. Religious morality has no legal ground in this debate.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jan 20, 2011 - 05:41pm PT
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About 1/3 of pregnancies end in a natural miscarriage, mostly in the first 2 - 3 months. Does that mean that your god is a murderer? No wonder you, suap and your pals are so angry.
I don't know how others see this, but there is another way to understand this. As I understand it, natural miscarriages are a result of both the souls karma and the mothers karma. We were not intended to have miscarriages, but we do because of choices we have made in this and past lifetimes.
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Dr. F.
climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 05:48pm PT
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Plants, for an example produce 1000s of seeds
all the seeds are viable plants, all they need is to be cared for
99.9% die
WHY?, because they are not able to be cared for
Animals, the same,
1000s of eggs, 100s of offspring
Most die
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Dr. F.
climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2011 - 06:16pm PT
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Abortion is a wedge issue
like guns, gays, taxes
so many more,
while we get robbed of our rights, we are still arguing about abortion, Sharia Law, DADT, GCC, Obama- total BS
Its all bad
I agree on that
Is there any hope?
what can we do?
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Malemute
Ice climber
the ghost
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:31pm PT
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If you gave 1000 christians a detailed questionnaire about their faith, you'd get 1000 different answers. As far as I am concerned, that reinforces the notion that the past and present gods are just an idea. That's right, just an idea in man's head. I see no physical evidence for any of the gods. None of the gods have contacted me via telepathy. If any of the gods exist, they have not shown themselves to me in any fashion. Yet in the bible, Yahweh takes an active participation in events. The logical reason for the discrepancy is that god is just an idea and has no physical manifestation.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jan 20, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
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Aww. I guess Booky doesn't want to play... Not surprising though. Haven't found anyone who can really present a logical opposing argument from the conservative xtian POV.
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