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cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Sep 1, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
"mature, existential study" of the Christian hodgepodge.

Sure.

It's a mixed bag, with the best bits more often than not plagiarized.

But hey, whatever gets your alpha male on.
jstan

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
Jingy is questioning himself. He doubts himself. This is the most important indicator of both intelligence and integrity. Capital does not run out when you have those.

Edit:
Thanks to that photo I think I finally understand what an E-cigarette is. They have an incandescent filament heated by current from a battery so nicotine and some carrier can be vaporized just as in that piece of glass used for doping with ice. Thanks to BB I can even recognize "ice" now. Were I young enough I would go for a medical degree studying the effects produced by drugs and how drugs might actually be treated. That field offers not only a chance to help people but also job security and good pay for the next 200 years at least.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 02:54pm PT

N o ! Would you delete anything I find objective in your posts? There is a picture of an artists rendition of their interpretation of the myth of Jesus Christ Flipping you the middle finger.....

And drug paraphernalia upsets you.....?

In the first artist rendition i see no truth in his/her interpetation. So no it doesnt upset me.

The truth in the picture of that drug paraphernalia i know to well. i know the truth in that bag of ice is Lies. And the destructive power that little bag contains. To destroy minds, and body's, and relationships, and family's, and on and on. There isn't one good reason to provide that picture for, other than a Wanted Poster offering a Reward for it's destruction, otherwise it's a posterchild of science going awry.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 05:20pm PT

that piece of glass used for doping with ice.

Actually the glass is preferred for it's heating capibilities along with the visual ability. The user drops a piece of ice to the bottom of the glass bowl. Normally one uses butane flame for it's higher heat. He'll slowly heat the ice into a liquid drop towhich he'll roll around on the bottom causing it to spread out becoming thinner until it turns to smoke which then is inhaled.

this message will turn to vapor in, 3, 2,
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Sep 1, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
Odds are 1,000,000 to one that the folks blasting a fundamentalist POV (like kicking a dead dog) are wanting to somehow quantify the bible, instead of conductiing mature, existential study, which takes fare more patients and skill (JL)

This seems like an extraordinarily wild conjecture. So if I "blast" a fundamentalist POV (I assume this means I say that you can't take everything in the bible literally) somehow this implies beyond the shadow of a doubt that I want to apply math to the bible. Weird.

A mature, existential study???

Requiring a "patient?"

What are you smoking?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
he certainly can't spell worth a shit
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Reading the bible as a strictly as a historical document is not something serious schollars subscibe to. How would you, when so much of the text is written in metaphorical language to begin with - lillies of the field, etc. So while a jughead "is this true" approach might sate the folk bent on a yes or no answer, the much heavier lifting is in digging into the more poetic sections and, again, conductiong a mature, esixtential study. What does this mean? "Mature" means we bring enough wisdom to the work to know that human truth is often related symbolically and through metaphors. "Existential" simply means that we read this and any so-called sacred text in terms of its import to our existence, and how it illuminates what it means to be alive in this body.

My sense of this is the same folks who balk about contemplative adventures on the "mind" thread are the same who tend to look at the entire bible in terms of something we can prove or disprove - can we imagine a more simplistic approach to literature? What's more, those wanting a yes or no "answer" are the same ones who flatly refuse to do anyting other than what they are already doing - just speculating about things as opposed to trying NEW things on for size - the existential adventure, has, perforce stopped for them. So while there are may wonderful bible passages worthy of lonely harvest, who amongst the black and white crowd are willing to invest even five minutes to see what is there? I suispect - none at all. This is a talking thread, not an action thread.

And so far as the bible being about Christian this or that - the Christian aspect didn't come into play till the New Testiment.

JL
MH2

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
And so far as the bible being about Christian this or that - the Christian aspect didn't come into play till the New Testiment. (JL)


Testiment?

If Christ was the Son of God what does your distinction matter?


(the black is black white is white crowd)
jstan

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
Who around here has the molten lead? When I could use some I can't seem to find it.
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
Jesus only had the OT and God gave us His word that we might believe...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Hebrews 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.


...Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT!
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
blasting a fundamentalist POV (like kicking a dead dog)

Dog is dead. But it sure seems like a lot of people haven't yet gotten the news...
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
My sense of this is the same folks who balk about contemplative adventures on the "mind" thread are the same who tend to look at the entire bible in terms of something we can prove or disprove (JL)

And you complain of "conflation"

You're throwing this out there like chum, hoping the sharks will attack, right?


;>\
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 1, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
Well, maybe John said it poorly, but the idea is there, isn't it?

Ya take one thing of a certain ilk (music, engineering, ethics, running), and ya apply some irrelevant framework to it, and what do you get? You get sh*t. It shouldn't be a surprise.

People of a hermeneutic point of view would say that context is judged as much as an actor, behavior, or results.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 1, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
Who died and made god god?
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 1, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
Ok, thought I'd get at least a chuckle out of that one.
You humans can be so touchy sometimes.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2014 - 11:44pm PT

If Christ was the Son of God what does your distinction matter?

Well i don't know what Largo's could be.

IMO, The distinction IS Matter. If you've read the bible, think about it a minute. The main distinction that comes to mind between the old testament and the new testament is living a life for God under the law, and that of living under grace. Living under the law as in the OT, if a man broke a law(which were based on a physical satire)and was found guilty, it was lawful to condemn him to capital punishment. Although after the experience if the criminal became remorseful and repented, he was reconciled in God's law only with a sacrifice of capital punishment was made for that sin. Someway the blood of an animal sufficed as the blood of man in the justification of repaying for sin. Throughout all this time, man never set eyes on God. Yet it is said he had direct conversations with Him.

What ushered in christianity was God being born of the flesh(matter) and dying in the flesh representing The Sacrifice for ALL of man's sin's for ALL of time. This is Grace! Jesus bled in 7 different ways representing the fullness in covering every-type of sin. For example, "He was bruised for our iniquities", a "bruise" is bleeding under the skin, our iniquities are sin's handed to us through generational genetics we have yet to commit. Jesus' sacrifice is congruent with God's law in-that His blood covers all sin's commited yesterday, today, and tomorrow just with this understanding and a whisper of His name. This is spiritual Grace with A commandment to love your brother as thyself.

As with the whore that was brought before Jesus for judgement by the villagers. Jesus set her free, when there was no one to condemn her.

Love for a brother should never condemn. Otherwise God must judge.
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 2, 2014 - 07:41am PT
Bushman: Who died and made god god?

I think you did that when you wrote the line.
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 07:43am PT
LOL .....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:49am PT
Reading the bible as a strictly as a historical document is not something serious schollars subscibe to. How would you, when so much of the text is written in metaphorical language to begin with - lillies of the field, etc.

 To me metaphorical = not reality based making it irrelevant.
Even if it is a historical doc, it is not relevant to modern anything.
The believer might think that it is, but that don't make it so.
Please tell me, show me it's relevance to modern life and not just in the metaphorical sense you believers seem to be living in, but in a real and tangible way how is it relevant or useful.
But if it is historical, and not metaphorical, then I have to say the fundi stance Werner takes is the best one to take in the life bet… at least that way the believer gets to say and do what ever the f*#k they want and always claim their god given right to do so, simultaneously not recognizing my right to not be entertained by such misguided adventures.
The wheel is/was a pretty good invention of man’s that I think is still relevant today, every day (at the same time I say we shouldn't go around adding wheels to everything to make it arbitrarily better than the no wheel model.
The bible is a man made construct that was never really relevant to many more than the author(s).
But oh how it has been useful to those who know its fallacy from start to finish.
If you think you need the book then you should pick it up. But when you expect me to live by the rules you've interpreted from the book to be prescribed from a god that hasn’t been proven to exist (to me at least), you can expect to hear from me making sure everyone knows somebody in the room is behaving like a tyrant and wants to control the tone or scope of any conversation (they will say "oh, please don’t bring up that word", or "that idea offends me", or "please take down that picture it reminds me my earlier life as an addict", it may be a little think, but make no mistake it is everything to the tyrant).

People…

If you can take your ego out of the equation you may see things from my perspective.
Try to see things as they are and not how you’d like them to be.
Put it in a box
Go just outside the box to take a look… then step back from their and take another look.

Could you be wrong?

Even from way out here, so far removed from the source that you really have no stake in the game….

Could you be wrong?


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 3, 2014 - 12:28pm PT

Could you be wrong?

Sure. but is man really right about anything?

Jingy i'm not trying to piss you off. Remember, these are just words on a screen. Sometimes when words tickle a nerve, it can be enlightening to follow that nerve to its root..

My motivation here is only to spawn ideas. i have been in a box like you describe, and have found more than one door out.

That's all i'm saying
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