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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 5, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
Good post, Bushman, I can relate to much of it.

Presently re-reading Letter to a Christian Nation. It's quite concise, to the point, doesn't beat around the bush.

Vintage Sam Harris, speaking to the traditional fundamentalist Christian...

"The truth is, you know exactly what it is like to be an atheist with respect to the beliefs of Muslims. Isn't it obvious that Muslims are fooling themselves? Isn't it obvious that anyone who thinks that the Koran is the perfect word of the creator of the universe has not read the book critically? Isn't it obvious that the doctrine of Islam represents a near perfect barrier to honest inquiry? Yes, these things are obvious. Understand that the way you view Islam is precisely the way devout Muslims view Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions."

.....

This one still cracks me up...

Why would anyone read the bible as though it were... a historical document?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 5, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Yes that was the rhetorical question for the ages.

One for the history books, one could.... say....

DMT
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Aug 5, 2014 - 05:07pm PT
The Hard-to-Swallow Truth...
http://www.harvest.org/radio/listen/2014-08-05.html

Jonah 1:17 And the Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Credit: go-B

glanton

Sport climber
lithopeadion circus
Aug 5, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Credit: glanton
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Aug 5, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
The Bible is a historical document. Many of the day to day events can't be proven thru archaeology, but certainly the personalities that lived and are in the stories in both the Old and new Testament, many are documented with archaeological finds on a regular basis in the Middle East. In fact, its pretty amazing what they have discovered if you do your homework.
Check out this link: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/biblehistorydaily/
or http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/magazine/

Here' some of this months headlines off the website:

Coins Celebrating the Great Revolt Against the Romans Unearthed near Jerusalem
08/05 | Excavations near Jerusalem uncovered a rare hoard of coins dating to the fourth year of the Great Revolt against the Romans (69/70 C.E.). Read more…

Heart Disease in Mummies
08/04 | Today, heart disease is one of the greatest threats to our health. Recent studies demonstrate that even our ancient ancestors suffered from heart disease. Read more.

Judaea Capta Coin Uncovered in Bethsaida Excavations
07/30 | A bronze Judaea Capta coin issued by Jewish ruler Agrippa II was discovered in the 2014 Bethsaida excavations. Read more…

Nebuchadnezzar Cylinder Goes for $605,000!
07/29 | While the Cyrus Cylinder has been making its rounds on an international exhibition circuit, another cylinder of a famous Mesopotamian emperor has recently been brought to the public eye. Read more…
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 6, 2014 - 02:16pm PT

Good post, Bushman, I can relate to much of it.

Yea Bushman, Good post!
I can relate with growing up in a church.. Many children grow up finding a Religion before ever finding God. And when they think religion doesn't work for them they perceive that as being God doesn't work for them, when they never even knew God. First seek God, then choose a religion that suits your conscious. Being interested in the scientific method and the mysteries of Nature is a good thing. I think the more we know, the more Nature points to a Creator! God is everything, and everything is God's. Yet He is intimate enough to meet each one of us exactly where we are any minute of the day. He does get sized down by mans mind, so we must be clear with the Truths. One man's picture of God is not a nother man's same picture. Nor is one church's the same as another. The One God does listen to them ALL. And He meets them all exactly where their at with direct concerns to the heart and spirit. Our thoughts aren't of much concern to the Creator, but they are our justification. This is of my opinion. What i know is when our truths don't jive with His Truths the power in the name Jesus can instantly relieve the conscious allowing the mind and spirit to change. Jesus is my direct pipeline to God, and I just haven't seen any more efficient. And His is the whole story!

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
Religions evolve.

You can show your support for this recognition - and help get the word out - here...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1764913427/the-rap-guide-to-religion-animated-rap-album

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:04am PT

The world's most influential scientific minds 2014: http://thomsonreuters.com/articles/2014/worlds-most-influential-scientific-minds-2014
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Aug 8, 2014 - 08:08am PT
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Aug 30, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Well, this explains everything.

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 30, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
^^^ +1 ^^^


Two chicks brewing meth.... In the basement of a church!!!








It may not be one of the Ten Commandments, but it kind of goes without saying that thou shalt not cook meth in a house of worship.

But two women were accused of cooking meth inside a rural southern Illinois church on Wednesday, the Associated Press reports.

Judith Hemken, 53, and Tiffany Burton, 26, were arrested near Hillsboro after a Waveland Hillsboro Presbyterian Church member "noticed activity" in the building on a Tuesday night when it was supposed to be empty, Montgomery County Undersheriff Rick Robbins told the The State Journal-Register. The church member reportedly spotted one woman outside the church and another in its basement, with what appeared to be parts of a meth lab.

The women fled in a car, but were pulled over by police. Officers found a clandestine lab in the church basement and had to extinguish a small fire that started due to the lithium and moisture from a sink drain, the Journal-News reports.



 I know that that actions of the two women in this story has nothing to do with the church mentioned in this story... but damn its funny that it just happened to be happening on gods watch....

oops...

That's right.....



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...


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
either way Jingous thats an ugly pic to look at. please delete it
WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Jingy is a bottom feeder.

He fixes his mind on where to find sh!t in the temporary material world.

This why he's always bewildered and attracted to the bottom .....
jstan

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
either way Jingous thats an ugly pic to look at. please delete it

What's ugly about it? I find pieces of trash somewhat like that. Sure would be interesting to have them explained. Syringes are all over the place. Those are serious scary.

Edit:
Here we after a thirty of forty year long drug war and this citizen does not know what people are actually doing. Quite a failure on my part at a minimum. Have to head over to Wiki.

Edit2:

http://www.txcorrections.org/Conf%20Resources/DrugInfoHandout_DEA.pdf

Holy cow! There is enough here for a bloody medical degree program.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 31, 2014 - 08:46am PT
either way Jingous thats an ugly pic to look at. please delete it

 N o ! Would you delete anything I find objective in your posts? There is a picture of an artists rendition of their enterptreetation of the myth of Jesus Christ Flipping you the middle finger.....

And drug paraphernalia upsets you.....?



Aug 30, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Jingy is a bottom feeder.

He fixes his mind on where to find sh!t in the temporary material world.

This why he's always bewildered and attracted to the bottom

 Oh, how so heavy with the symbologies..... It is true. I feed on the bottom. I do not feed at altitude. These are not my only fatal flaws.

It's good you two have opinions still.... And I appreciate them both....


But....





He fixes his mind on where to find sh!t in the temporary material world.

 Oh Werner, you are so other-worldly in your non-fixed mind that finds food in the forever non-material world...

Right....

That's where you reign supreme Werner....

In the non-fixed, non-material super world of your making.....


Has it not been admitted by me that I am not at all smart, not in any sense of the word... ask anybody who ever talked to me... they will tell you all you need to know.
Have I tried to convince anyone that I had the answers? Like any Christian I have ever met?

I believe this is what these two have not attempted to affix to me. "take down a picture I don't personally like to look at (you can close your eyes dipsh...) and a call out of ones social status by a self appointed knower of everything... even the imaginary things we haven't thought of yet...
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Sep 1, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Credit: go-B

Physicists to find out if we are living in a hologram...

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/28/physicists-to-find-out-if-we-are-living-in-a-hologram/20954066/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl25%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D521993

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:09am PT
Jingy has his finger on the pulse of human nature, and
It's not all then strong healthy 60bpm. I think he's especially attuned to the arythmias.
jstan

climber
Sep 1, 2014 - 08:34am PT
At Facelift I watched Jingy traverse across steep slopes picking up trash all day long. While wearing Tevas. Not one complaint.

Now, he has a complaint.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 1, 2014 - 09:41am PT
This one still cracks me up...

Why would anyone read the bible as though it were... a historical document?
-


If you look at the LBible in terms of historical truth, it is easy to lampoon vast parts of it as inaccurate and arcane. This is, by the estimation of any real scholarship, a jughead's approach to a treasure trove of wisdome. The heavy lifting, which reaps excellent rewards, it to hunker down for a while with a chapter like Song of Songs and see what you find after a few weeks of measured study. Odds are 1,000,000 to one that the folks blasting a fundamentalist POV (like kicking a dead dog) are wanting to somehow quantify the bible, instead of conductiing mature, existential study, which takes fare more patients and skill.

So yes, you can cackle at all the old religious texts as being poor examples of cosmology as we know it now - and you would have lost a fine opportunity in the bargain.

Black and white approaches to religions literature are like poetic analysis of geometry, or dancing about engineering. You're brining the wrong tools to the boogaloo. But again, if youz only gots a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail.

JL

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 1, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
I think he's especially attuned to the arythmias.

 It feels good to think that I have allies. I promise not to spend this capital all at once.


At Facelift I watched Jingy traverse across steep slopes picking up trash all day long. While wearing Tevas. Not one complaint.

 I'm wondering when this capital will run out? Is this one experiential anecdote sufficient evidence to sustain that I am not a complainer without any work ethic?
Or should I ask what is the connection between my working hard to help with not only the word of the facelift but also with what I perceived as the spirit of the facelift.
I cannot say that I have the same work ethic now as I have nothing I feel I can give my everything to. In other words, my "all" seems to have greatly diminished in depth and breadth since that facelift.

there was a question here I replaced with this statement out of fear of misconceptions of me by others (read my inability to effectively communicate without sounding both arrogant and blatantly ignorant all at the same time.)

cheers all
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