Politics, God and Religion vs. Science


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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 26, 2014 - 12:30am PT
then you must come to admit that you cannot show or prove that anything exists--other than yourself.

I don't need to prove anything. Reality is not my cross to bear.


Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 26, 2014 - 12:43am PT

Steevee: . . . ethics are bullsh#t. They serve only the people who believe them. Trust only works for those who can be trusted.

Isn't trust jus a belief also? You can trust someone all you want. Doesn't mean they won't let you down. Jus cause you don't live under a certain ethic or moral doesn't make it bullsh#t. Nor does it make yours bullsh#t. It's a difference of Class.

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 26, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
The Templeton Prize honors a living person who has made an exceptional contribution to affirming life’s spiritual dimension, whether through insight, discovery, or practical works. Established in 1972 by the late Sir John Templeton, the Prize aims, in his words, to identify "entrepreneurs of the spirit"—outstanding individuals who have devoted their talents to expanding our vision of human purpose and ultimate reality. The Prize celebrates no particular faith tradition or notion of God, but rather the quest for progress in humanity’s efforts to comprehend the many and diverse manifestations of the Divine.

Previous Prize Winners
The 14th Dalai Lama(2012)
Martin J. Rees(2011)
Francisco J. Ayala(2010)
Bernard d’Espagnat(2009)
Michael Heller(2008)
Charles Taylor(2007)
John D. Barrow(2006)
Charles H. Townes(2005)
George F. R. Ellis(2004)
Holmes Rolston III(2003)
John C. Polkinghorne(2002)
Arthur Peacocke(2001)
Freeman J. Dyson(2000)
Ian Graeme Barbour(1999)
Sigmund Sternberg(1998)
Pandurang Shastri Athavale(1997)
William R. "Bill" Bright(1996)
Paul Davies(1995)
Michael Novak(1994)
Charles W. Colson(1993)
Kyung-Chik Han(1992)
Lord Jakobovits(1991)
Baba Amte(1990 ; awarded jointly)
L. Charles Birch(1990 ; awarded jointly)
Lord MacLeod(1989 ; awarded jointly)
Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker(1989 ; awarded jointly)
Inamullah Khan(1988)
Stanley L. Jaki(1987)
James McCord(1986)
Alister Hardy(1985)
Michael Bourdeaux(1984)
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn(1983)
Billy Graham(1982)
Cicely Saunders(1981)
Ralph Wendell Burhoe(1980)
Nikkyo Niwano(1979)
Thomas F. Torrance(1978)
Chiara Lubich(1977)
Leon Joseph Cardinal Suenens(1976)
Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan(1975)
Brother Roger(1974)
Mother Teresa(1973)


Social climber
Feb 26, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
I'd say that if everyone were grounded in reality, there'd be no need for either anarchy or community.
I agree with you on that point. Unfortunately reality is solipsistic.

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 26, 2014 - 05:06pm PT

Trad climber
Feb 26, 2014 - 06:14pm PT

Fantastic, excellent. I just sent your post to a modern dance instructor here at the university who's been using dance, music, and writing to enable people from conflict-torn countries to express their experiences.

Inventive studies.

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great white north
Feb 26, 2014 - 06:34pm PT
If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly that way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense.

If all of science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.
Penn Jillette

Feb 26, 2014 - 08:00pm PT

You nutcase, religion is not ever created.

If it was created by man then it's not religion although a nutcase like you and Pen
will call it that because you have no clue what religion is to begin with in the first place.

It really shows you know nothing by always posting other peoples quotes you don't even completely understand either.

Feb 26, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
Experience is the map of reality (DMT)

It is fun to imagine something akin to a fixed point theorem for this map. F(self)=(self)

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Feb 27, 2014 - 01:20am PT

is an ocean. Speech is a river.

When the ocean is searching for you, don't walk
into the language-river. Listen to the ocean,
and bring your talky business to an end

Traditional words are just babbling
in that presence, and babbling is a substitute
for sight.
Rumi: "The Three Fish" Ch. 18 : p. 196

Feb 27, 2014 - 01:40am PT
"And time was like water, but I was the sea; I wouldn't have noticed it passing..."

Townes Van Zandt - The Rake

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:22am PT
Ever been to Club Silencio?


Feb 27, 2014 - 10:55am PT

Boulder climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
After a hard day of science, philosophy or meditation there can be no dispute here about the perfect alignment of the subjective and objective:

Santanico Pandimonium

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 27, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Interesting concept there jgill. I wonder if we saw the same thing?


Boulder climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
Sure beats no-thingness


Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 27, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
it was just an illusion, DMT, just an illusion

but a pleasant one

no no-thing, maybe?



Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 27, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
You nutcase, religion is not ever created.

Some of the newer religions were certainly created by man.
1) Mormonism
2) Scientology
3) The new Christianity. A combination of holy rollers, rock and roll, and TV shows asking for love offerings.

A lot of religion is actually big business. Pat Robertson ain't poor.

Werner and many others practice religion that is very old. I have no idea how they began.

Boy am I glad that I took three months off from this thread. I feel better not worrying about my ever lasting soul.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
No-thingness explains it's self

It is nothing, nada, non-existent

There is nothing in nothingness
Credit: Dr. F.
This plant can only be observed because it exists

others may disagree

Trad climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
I see pixels.

(You see a plant?)
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