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Dingus Milktoast

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U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:48am PT
Nice work Ward. Yes a good scifi writer and a good sci writer too.

His Nightfall short story written when he was a teenager I think, is the source of my comments to Ed re 'they're coming with pitchforks' and a must read for Luddites everywhere.

DMT
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:02am PT
Asimov credited his phenomenal work ethic to working in his father's candy shop from the age of six to twenty-two.
He watched his father work from 5 am to 1 am , 7 days a week. Isaac himself would awake at 6 am to deliver newspapers, go to school , and then help his dad in the shop after school until late into the night. Somehow he managed to post stellar grades and start his career as a scientist and go on to become one of the more prolific writers in the history of science fiction and popular science exposition.
For the rest of his life Asimov continued to arise at 5 am every morning to begin his days work .

Credit: Ward Trotter
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 10:09am PT
I loved that novel, sully. She captured well the despair of the 'creature' and turned him from green faced monster to pitiable lost soul for this romantic. It also fostered an on-going lesson - 'and you may ask yourself, my god what have I done?'

Her Frankenstein had many pathos with which we modern adventurers can surely relate; not the least of which feelings of alienation and a need for self-validation.

Why am I here? What is my purpose? Why am I not like all the other boys?

DMT
WBraun

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:39am PT
How the gross materialistic scientist thinks ......

BLUEBLOCR

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joshua tree
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:56am PT

Why am I here? What is my purpose? Why am I not like all the other boys?

This guy Franky is prolly the ONLY guy since Adam to actually think for himself.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 11:58am PT
You have all the answers blueblocr.

DMT
MH2

climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
The lure of science fiction, compactly stated:

however impossible as a physical fact, affords a point of view to the imagination for the delineating of human passions more comprehensive and commanding than any which the ordinary relations of existing events can yield.


~ Mary Shelley in her preface to the 1831 edition of Frankenstein
Dingus Milktoast

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U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Very well said by Shelly.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

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joshua tree
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
^ I don't think so. I haven't thee one answer to any question.
Seems as though every question is as individual as the questioneer.
Doesn't every individual mind require its own Unique path to arrive at the same conclusion as the mind of the teacher?

And to think for yourself? Do you really think you think for yourself?
I looked back for ur earlier post on this question, you must have erased it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Yes I think for myself.

Succinct enough?

DMT
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
How about how Frank (Frankenstein) got so worked up over that weepy violin.

JL
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Glad you're back Largo. Sorry for my earlier leg humping. Happy New Year.

DMT
sullly

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:28pm PT

"But if the Ten Commandments, with its overtly Christian message, is allowed to stay at the Capitol, the Satanic Temple's proposed monument cannot be rejected because of its different religious viewpoint."

Seems fair! While their at it they should go ahead and erect a message from every religion.
Bring them all out into public light. Then maybe we could get an answer to a lot of questions.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Cool idea bro. I'm sure you embrace the Park51 Islamic Community Center "at" Ground Zero too?


DMT
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Ward, allow the lit. teacher to school you. You leave out Mary Shelley (Romantic poet Percy's wife) who is considered the first sci-fi writer

There were numerous earlier examples of the genre---several of which, unlike Frankenstein, were purer SciFi, in that they were untainted with popular melodramatic romantic and gothic elements. (LOL)

Both Asimov and Carl Sagan considered Johannes Kepler's Somnium (1620) the first work of science fiction proper. It depicts a journey to the moon and how the motion of the earth and other celestial bodies were seen there.

There were many other isolated examples long before Frakenstein that could be tangentially considered SciFi. Here are a few:

Lucian's True History (2nd History)
Some of the Arabian Nights
Tale of the Bamboo Cutter 10th century
Theologus Autodidactus 13th Century

Gullivers Travels Swift
Micromegas Voltaire
The Blazing World. Margaret Cavendish (1666)








Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Interesting tangents.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Dingus,
Go for it! As long as they erect a monument describing the reasons for why they would want to murder so many innocent people and bring down the Business Center of America. I think it would be very Enlightening to many. And it would propel the evolutionary steps of our crawling societal understanding of what religion is. A lot better than hiding them in the closet and casting much assumption..
BLUEBLOCR

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joshua tree
Dec 30, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Hey Sully,
I'm single and look'in for a family situation. Tell all ur friends!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 30, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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