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PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Nov 18, 2013 - 06:23pm PT

For Largo to try to explain the mind state of emptiness is a tall order considering it is sometimes referred to as mind before thinking.

Consequently unexplainable. To try to do that for a motivated interested audience would be hard enough but to an antagonistic one shows he is confident and unphased by the criticism.

I recall that I once said at a zen talk that I wanted to talk about emptiness and several people rolled their eyes and gave me the double take. like really you are going to try to talk about emptiness? Thats amusing!

From my understanding the Heart sutra explains what the world would look like from a perspective of an empty mind place.

As I have said before, for people that are very attached to words they often assume that empty means nothing or dead but in zen I think it means no separation from the immediate experience . This is where the "become one with something " comes from. When there is no separartion there is no craving "I" ; you are no longer dominated by what can "I" get from this experiance and you just "Be"

The purpose for all of this is when the craving "I" gets significantly less dominate it is more likely that you can function in a more peaceful, compassionate and fearless manner and make less suffering in the world rather then more suffering in the world. John G I think that is where the R and P come in and maybe ethics for the S people ; as in Politics Religion and Science.

MH2

climber
Nov 18, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Nov 18, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
John G I think that is where the R and P come in and maybe ethics for the S people ; as in Politics Religion and Science

OK, well said.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 19, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
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FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Nov 20, 2013 - 08:05am PT


Gallant's group and others are trying to find out what underlies those different brain patterns and want to work out the codes and algorithms the brain uses to make sense of the world around it. They hope that these techniques can tell them about the basic principles governing brain organization and how it encodes memories, behaviour and emotion
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 20, 2013 - 08:38am PT
This type of constant ad hominem attack is beneath you, so stop it.
If he can.
Never met Werner, but his internet persona is DEFINED by ad hominem attacks.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Nov 20, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
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jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Nov 20, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Boring isn't it when JL and Mike aren't playing . . .
jstan

climber
Nov 20, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Never met Werner, but his internet persona is DEFINED by ad hominem attacks.

Might we back off in a sense here? Put some distance between us and the world? Doing so will lead only to a question.

Werner once said something extremely wise. He said, "you got to let people be who they are."

Right now Werner has whatever strategy he has. We can't know what it is. All of us scroll on by all the time. Based on Werner's wisdom above, I look at what he posts looking to see if there is something new.

If there isn't, I am just letting him do what he feels needs to be done.

He lets me do what I think needs to be done.





The main thing is not to feel threatened.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
So in other words
Werner is beyond reason and accountability

so we should all just ignore his nasty nonsensical rants against us
we are not allowed to question it, nor complain

There is no other option
Just look past it..
Cheers
jstan

climber
Nov 20, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Life is a process wherein we adapt to that which we encounter.

We can't change it.

Craig can't hold anyone accountable.

No one can hold Craig accountable.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
I am accountable
and can be held accountable
so you are wrong
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Nov 20, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Give the Duck some slack . . .
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2013 - 06:52am PT
Why?
Because we have to look past.
If he was just some unknown guy, then it would be OK to hold him accountable, but since he's werner, we have to give him a pass.

We have to practice Selective accountability, just for those special eds.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 21, 2013 - 07:05am PT
Well Dr F glad you're still around and I'm glad I stuck with your thread. Thank you for carrying on.

That said?

Werner's ad hominens only seem to arouse a select few folk. And yet? Many of those folks, and I'm not pointing a finger at you, DO IT TOO.

So f*#k those whiny bastards.

DMT
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Nov 21, 2013 - 07:41am PT
Does anybody even bother to read Werner's posts when he's not talking about climbing?

If so, why?
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2013 - 07:46am PT
I never said I didn't do it
I just want him to somehow be accountable for what he says
he has never had any back up for his claims

It's just stupid this, stupid that.
What's Not stupid werner, spell it out for us,
otherwise you are just a carnival barker
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 21, 2013 - 07:50am PT
I just want him to somehow be accountable for what he says
he has never had any back up for his claims

Well who IS accountable when talking about ghosts goblins faeries angels demons infinity and all that beyond the veil darkly bullsh#t?

DMT
WBraun

climber
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:15am PT
All my claims are backed by solid unadulterated scientific evidence.

Dr F remains ...... STUPID !!!!
jstan

climber
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:22am PT
Craig seems to be arguing that rather than scrolling past posts in which we are not interested, authors should be banned. That, after all, is the only mechanism as regards accountability. Craig has staked out a very weak position here. Damn. I had another word to describe this position. But I have gone and lost it.
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