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Truthdweller

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 25, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Glory to God
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 25, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/for-fitness-intensity-matters/?src=me&ref=general&_r=0

From the study:

. . . perhaps the most remarkable studies of the year examined the effect of exercise on our DNA. In several experiments, which I wrote about in July, scientists found that exercise reshapes genes in human cells, changing how atoms attach to the outside of individual portions of our DNA. As a result, I wrote, the behavior of the gene changes. In one of the studies, researchers found that six months of moderate exercise profoundly remodeled genes related to the risk for diabetes and heart disease. But for those of us too impatient to wait six months, the other study found that a single session of bike riding altered genes in volunteers’ muscle cells.

Behavior shifts DNA?

What the heck is going on in the material world?
MH2

climber
Dec 25, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
What the heck is going on in the material world?

It's worth a look.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 25, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Happy Birthday Jesus! 2051 trillion years and still serving!

Peace and Joy to you all and ur family's at this time of celebration!

Amen.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 25, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Good work TD! But I think DrF is a hard nut to crack. He's grown a very thick shell..

Welcome back Klimmer! Missed ya. You have some very fine words.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 25, 2013 - 11:54pm PT

scientists found that exercise reshapes genes in human cells, changing how atoms attach to the outside of individual portions of our DNA

This should be easily discernible to the evolution scientist? If they preclude that we all evolved from one man (or woman), then how else could they assume that blacks, whites, Chinese, Indians, etc. came from one strain of DNA? Maybe an multicultural asteroid?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 26, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Maybe an multicultural asteroid?

Why seed a good question with such a disrepsectful tone? An inquiry becomes a dig... WHY? Are you at war with science? WIth them that don't believe as you do? Why do you do this?

DMT
go-B

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Hebrews 1:3
Dec 26, 2013 - 11:45am PT
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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 26, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Glory to physics.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 26, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
^sorry, maybe it's my synical sense of humor? My little devil who can pierce straight to the core. He's hard to whip into submission while his arrow like tail Whirling about trying to spike my hand. Trying to outwit him with ideals of surrender only cause an inflation of ego and quaking Agitation. It's best to dissolve into his illusion gaining complatancy charging internal anxieties with relaxation. Whence the tail goes limp. Plant a cross thru the heart.

Now, isn't it a widespread knowmer amongst evolutionist an asteroid brought our DNA to planet earth? I thought it silly fun to add multicultural to a seemingly Blasé roid.

Didn't meen to cause a foul. But my question still stands?
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 26, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
rsin: manipulation of gene expression in an organism isnt dna altering

A shift in expression is a substantive alteration. One could say that we are all made up of atoms that are alike, but if the atoms shift their behaviors or effects, then that would make them different atoms for practical purposes.

If you started expressing yourself differently, you'd be a different being.

One point being is that material composition does not determine behaviors--or at least behaviors are not set in stone. (An obvious conclusion.)

The second point (less obvious) is that if material composition does not determine behavior or effect, then what is material composition anyway--and what does it matter?

Happy Holidays; (make of it what you can).

Mike
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 26, 2013 - 12:54pm PT

Are you at war with science?

Of course not! I jus like to treat science like I treat my puppy and keep them on a leash. Why?
I've asked my Ominous Loving Lord if He cares for me so much why has He placed me in such n Neanderthal cage of a brain? He told me "Michael", one day you will hold all the keys to the universe. And today you can build My trust in what you will do with them..
Then science will be like my 11yro mature, obedient dog that I can walk without the leash.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 26, 2013 - 01:10pm PT

One point being is that material composition does not determine behaviors--or at least behaviors are not set in stone. (An obvious conclusion.)


I LOVE this!

This takes us all the way back to where behavior, conscious, thought creates matter.
The bible said it first. Science's Placebos have proven it. We all do it everyday unwittingly.
Now wittingly, consciously, openly, loudly pray to Jesus on the concerns of the heart.
And watch mountains move!
MH2

climber
Dec 26, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
what is material composition anyway--and what does it matter?


For the first part, curiosity is needed but the second part suggests lack of curiosity.

People can live long and rich lives without giving much thought to what parts they are made of.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 26, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
^Sure can! And they are no les important!

After all parts are ONLY parts of the whole!

The ONLY matter of concern is the heart..
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 26, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
One could say that we are all made up of atoms that are alike, but if the atoms shift their behaviors or effects, then that would make them different atoms for practical purposes.


You're radioactive??
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 26, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Hans Rosling: Religions and babies

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html

Gapminder data analysis tool is at
http://www.bit.ly/1jMBgaS

It's very interesting, you can see data on
Economy
Education
Energy
Environment
Health
Infrastructure
Population
Society
Work


see also
http://www.gapminder.org/tag/gapminder-world/
http://www.gapminder.org/videos/
http://www.gapminder.org/ignorance/


I wonder if the anti-science people are also anti-data?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 26, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
The general point Rosling made is nothing new and has been illustrated by demographers and population experts for nearly 90 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

Moreover, the demographic transition has been used by some opponents of Socialism to argue for increased economic development--- which demonstrably can only be realized on a global scale through capitalism , relatively free markets , and free enterprise---as the only long term solution to huge population increase.

This is an area avoided by Rosling and instead he focused on religion as the hypothetical determinant. The issue of Religion seemed to operate as a sort of red herring in his presentation.
Today's overarching determinants in future population growth are politics , economics, and technology---that is , beyond the natural population growth scenario of the 3 billion illustrated by Rosling's clever boxes, which will, as he pointed out, likely occur independent of the normally considered factors.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 26, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
Rosling and instead he focused on religion as the hypothetical determinant
did you watch the video? he said population drop is independent of religion, but dependent on poverty.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 26, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
The mention of religion as a major determining factor in modern global population dynamics via Rosling's presentation was a Red Herring--- used not as a logical fallacy but largely as a sort of rhetorical strategy---perhaps given the make-up of the audience, or some other factor.
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