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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 14, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Hear Hear Drf
I posted something earlier but I deleted it because I wanna be nice.
But he really doesn't look very deep into subjects..

What do ya think Drf, where would the mammoths mind come from?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Ah, you want some salve, boys, for your butt-hurt?
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
What do ya think Drf, where would the mammoths mind come from?
It comes from the mammoth DNA that is cloned

just like your mind, it came from your fertilized egg

plant seeds can last millions of years in stasis
When it germinates, it has not concept of the time lost from the time it was produced
WBraun

climber
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
HFCS -- No one is butt hurt here but you.

You're always butt hurt over anything here except your 21'st century delusion.

Take a vacation, eat some ice cream, and freeze your brain.

You need one ......
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
A vacation? Can't argue with that. I need one from this confederacy.

What an embarrassment.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:30pm PT

just like your mind, it came from your fertilized egg

Fertilized egg? As in genetics? Do you think the funny bone is genetic?
I was born kinda the class clown. But for some like Jstan are very stern.

Is character and personality born out of genetics. Or made in the brain?
Or do they come from somewhere else?

Do you think if they cloned fructose in 100 yrs he would still be an ahole?
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:49am PT
But for some like Jstan are very stern



;>)
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2013 - 11:21am PT
The DNA builds the brain as instructed, some personality traits are learned, some are innate.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:27am PT
It would also be nice to be able to clone dodos...

... I mean the Raphus cucullatus kind (of Mauritius)... not the Dr. F kind.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Wa-da-u-know I'm hungry again!

Quit cloning around and turn to Jesus and be saved!...

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I want to have the memory of an Elephant, and keep in mind the loving tender mercies of God and the loving kindnesses of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and to sing His praises!

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Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

T'was Grace that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Grace that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.

The Lord has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.

When we've been here ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
then when we've first begun.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^YEAAAAAAA!

I hope you never become to full

Besides you have a reputation to uphold around here
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
Boy, emotions sure ruined this thread!?!?!

Maybe I should start a new one. Emotions V The World
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Fructose, what's happened to this thread is a good illustration of how you should be careful about what you wish for. If you disdain the moderates as you are so fond of doing, then what you end up with are the far ends of the spectrum. The true ferment of ideas occurs in the middle among people who still have open minds. The fringe will never do anything but repeat what they already know. When that gets boring, they resort to personal insults. You got what you wished for.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Very wise, Jan.

Namaste.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Namaste
It's sure good to hear ya'lls loving logical voices!
Ive missed ur spanse of ideas..

I hope your body is healing well Mikel, I was a bit worried
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Fructose wrote, Then deleted.

" (a) more Werner posts bashing science and referring to stupid whitecoats. "

Even if werners seems a bit crude, you can tell it doesn't come from a hateful heart.


"(b) more paranormalist discourse from the woo-woo set (because the last 12 months or more were insufficient)?"

I think everyone's input has been very beneficial in understanding my own.



"(c) more Dr. F. "science"? "

He might not be as open but atleast he's inquisitive. Besides he started the thread.


Do you think I wish for... what? o wise one?

LOL!

Urs just seem disrespectful. Even to the Ladies. If I spoke to my grandma like that
she would flick my nose!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 16, 2013 - 04:14am PT
In the new order the Priest of science will send you off to the reeducation camps for a little Matrix reloading, Jan.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 16, 2013 - 05:21am PT
Gonna clone a mammoth to prove there is no god but Science.

Oh yeah.

We gots to CLONE those Woolley boogers!

I mean if that doesn't convince these fence sitters what will?
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2013 - 08:34am PT
This is both Political and Religious, but I thought it would get read by more folks in this thread.


Southern Fried Christian Sharia
On July 4, 2013, in Column, by Tina Dupuy .
http://www.tinadupuy.com/column/southern-fried-christian-sharia/

North Carolina state legislators introduced what was described as an anti-Sharia law bill this week. The concern was a religion would trump our laws—threaten our constitution. This religion, they fear, would dictate our rights and punish dissent. It would blur the lines between church and state! Women would be subjugated! This is such a threat North Carolina lawmakers must act posthaste!

Then with absolutely zero appreciation for irony, the state senate amended the bill to quickly and somewhat secretly restrict access to legal and constitutionally-protected abortion.

Why? Their religious convictions.

Nice tactic: Scare people with the specter of Islamic totalitarianism and then pass a bill that would make Pakistan pause.

I see what you did there.

Religion is the sand you throw in someone’s face before you rob them. Disorient the target to reach your goal faster.

Christianity has been used to justify everything from the crusades, sectarian wars and inquisitions, to witch burnings, cross burnings and Christian rock. The idea that it would be a better basis for a free country isn’t supported by history.

Theology makes for horrible government. (See: every theocracy ever.) No matter how wonderful it seems, in theory, for everyone to be of the same religion—praying the same way to the same god—it never ends with expansive human rights for all people.

Religion is subjective, selective and discriminating—it’s the opposite of democracy. No matter if it’s Christianity, or Islam, or Gluten-Freeism.

Which is why the U.S. Constitution is the framework for a secular government. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, secular government is the worst form of government except for all those other ones that have been tried.

This week in the trial of George Zimmerman the jury watched the exclusive interview he did last July with Sean Hannity of Fox News. When asked if the 28-year-old regretted killing a teenager, Zimmerman said it was god’s plan and he wasn’t going to second guess him. God wanted an innocent unarmed 17-year-old to be shot to death by a wannabe cop?

Indefensible acts have a defense in religion. And that’s a rickety basis for a government.

An overlooked but compelling factor in the ousting of year-long Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, was that his denial of “democratic freedoms” in the name of religion left him with few supporters. Two weeks ago, Morsi, a leader in the Muslim Brotherhood called for a holy war in Syria.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad (not a champion of human rights by any stretch) said: “The summary of what is happening in Egypt is the fall of what is called political Islam.”

Add that to the list of why my religion, your religion, or anyone else’s religion shouldn’t be imposed legislatively.

Lutherans and Methodists can’t agree on confessionals—which version of Christianity is the one you want writing laws?

The answer: None of them.

On the home front, Texas Governor Rick Perry (R) called a special session this week to yet again try to pass a bill that would essentially shut down most women’s health clinics in the state. This fundamentalist-fueled pro-birth zealotry is sponsored by state lawmaker Jodie Laubenberg (R), who claims rape kits in ERs are “where a woman can get cleaned out.” Which is like saying a breathalyzer test will sober you up. Mind-bogglingly stupid.

But this battle is not about facts; it’s about ending what Governor Oops thinks is objectionable based on his religion. No room for science. No room for data. No room for sound public policy based on egalitarian principles. God’s will—women are public incubators. Our private parts are up to public approval. Our reproductive ability trumps our constitutional rights.

In Texas they want to deregulate everything except the womb. Why? Because religious fervor is being selectively applied to reproductive rights.

And this fervor is subjugating women, punishing dissent and blurring the lines between church and state. But at least it’s not Sharia!

Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 16, 2013 - 08:48am PT
I don't know how all you closed minded hard nosed Spiritual people can call me Closed minded.

I am one of the only ones here that has gone through it all, all through a Natural Evolution of on going Change, I am the one most open minded people on this planet.
I was brought up Christian, then a New Ager, then Eastern Religious Meditation, all the time believing there was something more, a human purpose, spiritual evolution for a better afterlife.

I am not wrapped around my ideas with an ego that must be protected, if I am wrong, I will admit it and incorporate the new information..

All I need is the proof that your belief or God is real.
That's why I do these threads, to try and find something more. But the farther I go, the closer I get to the pure natural state, just another ant out of billions of other ants living out it's short lifespan in a big universe of nothing.
There is no purpose, no higher meaning, we get one thing, the chance to enjoy our life, there is nothing more.


If you are going say that something is beyond understanding and there is something more, like a God or higher connection, you will have to then be comfortable in saying that the Muslims, the Christians, Buddhists, Hindu, etc. are all on the same baseline, they are all the correct belief system.

Or say that they are wrong, and Only your belief is correct, which people like Jan, Largo and MikeL will never do. Which make them apologists for all religions.
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