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WBraun

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
What sort of material dent would be acceptable to a person who says, "No thing is real?"

The dent itself ...... :-)
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
There are no beliefs required. No faith. No Gods. No doctrine. No worship. No secular organization. No gurus. No things. Just that wave.


And "some kind of miracle?"

It can't be done with the mind? Speak for your own mind.


Fine. Speak for your own mind, Holmes, and tell us all about it.

How do we all know you'll either equivocate, deflect it back to me, or chortle something glib and arcane our the side of your mouth as opposed to saying and admitting outright what Mike and I and many others freely admit: We have no idea (mental qualification/quantification) per the brute fact of experience WHATOSF*#KINGEVER.

If you do, speaking "from your own mind," sac it up and by God, let it rip. We're all ears.

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 08:58pm PT

What sort of material dent would be acceptable to a person who says, "No thing is real?"

Mh2 REALLY? After all this, don't you have one iota from where MikeL is come'in from?
MH2

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
After all this, don't you have one iota from where MikeL is come'in from?


It was a question about where he wanted to go.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:11pm PT

If you do, speaking "from your own mind," sac it up and by God, let it rip. We're all ears.

Yea Right! They're all scared! Like a kindergartener asking which color is blue. Or like a teenager Ask'in what is an adverb.

I jus think its humorous they diss you. And then keep showing up to diss you?

There should be a cut and paste come'in any minute.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
//What sort of material dent would be acceptable to a person who says, "No thing is real?"

Here comes the cut and paste you've been waiting for: Just love what Joyce says about the material:

“INELUCTABLE MODALITY OF THE VISIBLE: AT LEAST THAT IF NO MORE, thought through my eyes. Signatures of all things I am here to read, seaspawn and seawrack, the nearing tide, that rusty boot. Snotgreen, bluesilver, rust: coloured signs. Limits of the diaphane. But he adds: in bodies. Then he was aware of them bodies before of them coloured. How? By knocking his sconce against them, sure. Go easy. Bald he was and a millionaire, maestro di color che sanno. Limit of the diaphane in. Why in? Diaphane, adiaphane. If you can put your five fingers through it, it is a gate, if not a door. Shut your eyes and see.

Stephen closed his eyes to hear his boots crush crackling wrack and shells. You are walking through it howsomever. I am, a stride at a time. A very short space of time through very short times of space. Five, six: the nacheinander. Exactly: and that is the ineluctable modality of the audible. Open your eyes. No. Jesus! If I fell over a cliff that beetles o'er his base, fell through the nebeneinander ineluctably. I am getting on nicely in the dark. My ash sword hangs at my side. Tap with it: they do. My two feet in his boots are at the end of his legs, nebeneinander. Sounds solid: made by the mallet of Los Demiurgos. Am I walking into eternity along Sandymount strand? Crush, crack, crick, crick. Wild sea money. Dominie Deasy kens them a'.

Won't you come to Sandymount,
Madeline the mare?

Rhythm begins, you see. I hear. A catalectic tetrameter of iambs marching. No, agallop: deline the mare.

Open your eyes now. I will. One moment. Has all vanished since? If I open and am for ever in the black adiaphane. Basta! I will see if I can see.

See now. There all the time without you: and ever shall be, world without end.”
MH2

climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
We're all ears.


I'm more visual than audio, but in brief,

Let your heart sing with your mind.













If I'm not heard from for a while, please search the nearest Rinzai institute, where I may be found bound and gagged. I would not bear my captors any ill will. They would be doing it for my own good, after all.

go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Learn from the school of hard knocks, or from others...

Acts 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Romans 10:13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
But you can't do it with your mind (JL)


Can you use your foot?
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
mu is the coefficient of static friction,
a value assigned to quantify the
rub between two dissimilar materials.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Cheers Norton!

Jus don't put me in one of ur boxes! Please.

I'm on the side of awareness. So be aware! Start with ur hair.
Do you know how many hairs on your head? God does.

You catholic washouts are pathetic. Jus say nope, to dope and the pope!
Neither lead to spiritual awareness. Peter is the rock? Maybe stupid as a rock. He denied Christ 3 times after Jesus reinstalled the ear Peter cut off. Ur church and its religions are being washed away with the tides. Every rock hard truth your church was built on, is now being bent. Spineless and backsliding. I understand ur bitterness toward religion and Catholicism. But please dont project ur hate on christ. Sure, judge me for being judgemental over pointing out the facts. But first, put away ur emotions and reread what Jesus taught. He came to cure the wounded and the sinners. If ur neither of these you'll never get Acquainted with His heart.

Do you think mother Teresa was a saint for what she did?
I'm no mother Teresa!
But I do know Jesus works in my life everyday.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
No. you can't use your mind
like rong and WB said, since your point to your heart, that's where the good thinking comes from...
When I point to my kidneys, it means it's time to pee
It's all about what you point to that counts (especially when you can't hear very well)

If you point to the heavens, that means God did it,
its all very simple, when you can explain it like the fairy tale it is.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
So the Pope is a total spiritual imposter, and has Zero Authority when it comes to true Christianity
according to a real Christian, Blueblocr

Am I correct BluBlcr?
Is that what you are saying?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
^^^ Correct!

The pope is a imagined living material Christ.
Appointed by his deeds.
Christ is no thing, but spirituality.
Are you a doubting Thomas?

I'm not pointing judgement, asmuch as I'm pointing to some thing you've not realized.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Matthew 24:27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

...truth will be stranger than fiction!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 23, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
no Blue, she was a human who continues to be dead now, regardless of her very good intentions

What do you know of her intentions? This is my point. We all know what she did. But can you describe her heart? No. Nobody can but God. If you think she is Equivalent to who goes to heaven, ur very Misconstrued. Her good deeds are like filthy rags to God.

She's gained her glory here on earth. What's in her heart is glory to God.

Reminisce David..
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 23, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Craig - go ahead and use your mind. All you want. And while you're at it, kindly describe you're moment to moment experience, that geyser of sensations, feelings, thoughts, smells, WITHOUT defalting to talking about objective functioning, and saying THAT is experience itself.

JL
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 24, 2013 - 12:18am PT
You folks would get more from a single evening with ayuahuasca, than any amount of sitting zazen, bible reading, or talking in circles in these "debates".

You want to know what lies beyond? The nature of god/reality/soul? Ayuahuasca is your ticket to ride.

Go there, come back, and we'll talk without the encumberances of specific religious constructs and with some common groumd.
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 12:20am PT
What sort of material dent would be acceptable to a person who says, "No thing is real?"

Fair enough, MH2. I see we are beginning to understand one another. And as we do, we begin to communicate.

You may continue, Sir. I am all ears to you.


I like you BB. I think you've plugged in. Nice. I hear force, fury, and truth. The sword of God is in you. You make me smile.


The first 20 minutes of my morning contemplations are filled with fury and chaos. I'm just the mind's energy and creativity at-will, like children let loose at recess. And I'm sleepy until the caffeine takes hold. The next ten minutes is usually the awareness of watching. Things might be beginning to settle. Maybe in the last 5 minutes of this ten minute period, things settle enough to light the display--the light show of dynamic designs and formations that randomly project. I don't understand any of this display, but I believe that it is simply my mind expressing itself without any concepts to glom onto. In the last ten minutes, I find I look into things, but I don't know what those things are. By now my legs are smarting big time, but it's all good and somehow focusing. This begins my day, and I have no intentions really. It's just a part of waking up for me. This is part of "my practice."

During the day, I feel like anyone else . . . just doing. Now and then, though, I become aware of what seems like a totally artificial life.

I stand talking in the first day of class. I know I'm expressing something to students, but I suspect that there are unknown energies being exchanged among us. I am a pawn in the experience. What seems to be happening is not at all what's happening. I am serving some greater purpose than teaching ethics or strategic human resource management. I have no idea what that purpose is.

Who's crazy?
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 12:34am PT
Norwegian should tell us about the night and the sense of space and calm that pervades the dark every evening. When it is still, the dark can be cut with a knife. Everything is so dense. Meaning drips in the moment--but I don't understand any of it.

For the rationalists, what am I talking about? Nothing? Pinot noir? My catholic upbringing? Melancholy? A hard day's night? What is this?

How can anyone NOT feel this immediacy? This thickness? This palpable radiance?
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